How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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mitosis said:
Interesting link to a story at the bottom of the page. Six unrelated shootings over a week's time: 2 Dead, 4 Survivors. In possibly all of the cases, a firearm in the hands of the victims could have been useful for self-defense.
The point of the article should be that, even if people suffer death or serious bodily injury by lack of access to a firearm for self-defense, they and their surviving loved ones can take solace knowing that others who want to commit suicide with guns cannot do so. More must involuntarily suffer at the hands of criminals to spare others who wish to voluntarily die by their own hand.
If this is the best that can be said about Howard's gun control legacy, that's pretty sad...
Proponents had declared success of the new laws, having artificially set "mass-murder" at a threshold of 5+. Just like a knife-murder draws little media attention or civic out-cry for action, in here in Boston, the shooting of 4 appears a less significant event Down Under.
mitosis said:
Interesting link to a story at the bottom of the page. Six unrelated shootings over a week's time: 2 Dead, 4 Survivors. In possibly all of the cases, a firearm in the hands of the victims could have been useful for self-defense.
The point of the article should be that, even if people suffer death or serious bodily injury by lack of access to a firearm for self-defense, they and their surviving loved ones can take solace knowing that others who want to commit suicide with guns cannot do so. More must involuntarily suffer at the hands of criminals to spare others who wish to voluntarily die by their own hand.
If this is the best that can be said about Howard's gun control legacy, that's pretty sad...
Proponents had declared success of the new laws, having artificially set "mass-murder" at a threshold of 5+. Just like a knife-murder draws little media attention or civic out-cry for action here in Boston, the shooting of 4 appears a less significant event Down Under. At least if you want to claim the laws effective...
The AUS 2009 data does indeed show gun use in murder and attempted murder to be ~1/3 and~ ½ that for knives, so some measure of success is felt by the anti-gun proponents, I’m sure. Curious that guns are used more in attempted murder than murders - bad shots maybe...
Personally I carry the new XM-25 weapon system with just over a 1/2 mile range, these are real effective against the hit and run car...but of course when they see this thing strapped to my back they give me wide berth. It has a 5 round capacity and it only weighs 14.5 pounds loaded, which is great for us weight weenies, but to save weight I only load up it with 2 rounds. And it sure strikes up interesting conversations with the local cops. And you can buy your own for $25,000 plus ammo at $25 each. Or you can get a toy replica, paint it to look like the real thing, and it has the same effect for a lot less money and weight.
One of the victims of those fatal shootings (the 70year old male) was killed with his own gun.cbjesseeNH said:
How would carrying a gun prevent a drive-by shooting? Unless the victims had their weapons trained on every single passing car,on the remote off-chance that they may be shot...in which case the shooters could legitimately claim self-defence and shoot the victims with impunity.
The other fatality is suspected by police to be drug-related. Do you believe that people in the drug business should be allowed firearms for "self-defence"?
You really are an idiot.
mitosis said:
That article is a crock of sh!t. "Most of Australia's 2100 suicides each year do not involve firearms, making the 200 lives saved as a result of the firearm ban small in relation to the suicide total. But Dr Neill said applying an accepted financial value to each of these human lives resulted in an economic boost of $500 million a year." One crucial number is missing...has the total suicide rate fallen? Suicide by other means appears to be quite acceptable and suicide by gun is abhorrent, thus a reduction of gun suicides magically accounts for the dollars wasted in the gun 'buy-back' confiscation.
Dr Neill's study found no evidence of substitution within any state.Akadat said:
''It is simply not the case that there was an increase in non-firearm suicide deaths in states that brought back more firearms,'' she said.
''I am confident these lives were saved.''
The quote from Dr Neill provided by Stevebaby is as garbled as it gets, followed by a circumspect statement of authority...[COLOR= #f00]''It is simply not the case that there was an increase in non-firearm suicide deaths in states that brought back more firearms,'' she said. ''I am confident these lives were saved.''[/COLOR] Which states is she referring to? Take your pick and she is 'confident'. The real crunch is total suicides nationwide are up NOW and not [COLOR= #f00]"was"[/COLOR].
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Re that bridge for sale...Does it have a water view? How many people jump off it? Maybe it's a bargain!
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