How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

Discussion in 'Cycling Equipment' started by Joe West, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. tonyzackery

    tonyzackery Well-Known Member

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    Ahh, come on now. The poll was meant to change the world view on guns and cycling. It was meant to be the definitive voice as to whether or not individuals had the God-given right to carry a deadly weapon while riding their bicycles. That you're now throwing dirty water on the whole idea of the poll (and polls in general) is most disappointing to me. Nonetheless, I truly appreciate your unbiased viewpoint and welcome your input in the future./img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif

    2nd Amendment rights zealots have innumerable websites and forums to thump their collective chests. Does this site (or this thread in particular) have to be consumed by that inexhaustible rhetoric as well?
     


  2. AceBruceGary

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    I carry a gun while cycling.

    I carry a Glock 26 or a Smith and Wesson model 60 revolver.

    The poll is meaningless. People need to grow up. Guns are tools.

    Was there any meaningful conversation in this gigantic thread about how best to carry or what best to carry?

    My holster shirt is getting cumbersome. The Glock 26 is a bit wide and bulky on a bike. The S&W M60 is nice but 5 rounds seems too few.

    Maybe I should make a bike holster.
     
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  3. tonyzackery

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    Scared or prepared? We all make choices based on our perception of the "real" world outside our doors.
    Guns are tools? Never said they weren't.
    People can be tools too.
    Meaningful discussion? You probably haven't read any more than this particular page and drawn your conclusion.
    Nonetheless, it's readily apparent where you stand.
     
  4. AceBruceGary

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    Scared? No. If I were then I probably wouldn't go.
    Prepared yes.

    And while I carry a gun it doesn't mean that I suggest that others do so as well. I just don't see the difference between carrying a gun and going to work or about your day and carrying one while going for a ride.

    Guns are tools. People don't say they aren't, yet they clearly imply otherwise based on their responses.

    The fact that people can be tools is irrelevant.

    You are right about one thing. I haven't read through all 200 something pages of this as most of the pages I've randomly clicked on seem to be more political gun talk than useful cycling with a gun discussion.

    Time doesn't really permit me to sift through all these pages to find any useful info so I had hoped after joining this site that maybe someone who has participated through this entire discussion might have a high level summary of any generally agreed upon "good carrying" practices. If not I can just read through it some other time.

     
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  5. tonyzackery

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    Well, you know what making assumptions can do for you...

    Which came first: the chicken or the egg? Do you now "go" because you're packing a gun which relieves some of your scared-ness?

    The fact that people can be tools is irrelevant - to you. I got no issue with that. But it is relevant (to me) in the context of this thread, in the sense many people are tools for those that wish to create and perpetuate fear in the masses - to keep them scared and controlled.

    I suppose you wear a crash helmet while driving a road-going vehicle. If not, why not, and what would be your consideration of those that do?
     
  6. AceBruceGary

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    I think you're the one who is assuming I am "scared"...even after I stated that it's not a reason why I carry a gun.
    I don't do anything with my gun that I wouldn't do without my gun. Not sure why you insist that people need to have a fear of something to carry a gun.
    Do you wear a seatbelt because you're fearful that every time you get in a car you'll die in a fiery crash?

    People can be tools. The fact that you think it makes any difference is indicative that you have clearly not thought this out.
    I have seen cyclists whip out chains attached to metal poles and start whipping cars. It could have easily been a knife, a bat or whatever. A human idiot is always an idiot regardless of what device they choose to use. That is why it's irrelevant.

    I don't know anyone who carries that has a goal of keeping people "scared and controlled". It's actually the other way around...when the masses try and tell people what is best and safest for them (not to carry a gun).

    Wearing a helmet while driving a vehicle is a risk vs benefit issue. I've worn one on a race track. I don't on the road for practical reasons.
    Unlike people who have very little to no gun experience, I know that carrying a gun is no different than carrying a knife, or a wallet and for practical reasons is of very little cost and risk. Unfortunately a lot of uneducated people assume the opposite.
     
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  7. AceBruceGary

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    ^^ Plain and simple question that is the very crux of the matter - why do you feel the need to carry a gun while riding a bicycle?
    Seeing as I haven't clearly thought this out, please enlighten me. LOL!

    Regarding the scared and controlled context, I believe you misunderstood my relatively simple comment. The gun carrying cyclists are the scared and controlled ones - not the ones doing the controlling and scaring. The perp in that regard would be your conservative political platform, and the tools are the masses that ran out and hurrily purchased guns as a result of the imminent platform change in the executive office of the USA. Maintaining fear is a big and very successful business model, and many have fallen for it but will steadfastly deny it - and that is the relevance.

    So you don't wear a crash helmet while in a road-going vehicle. How more likely is it that you'll be involved in a car crash, than accosted while riding your bike? Rhetorical question, sure. Furthermore, practicality of crash helmets in road-going vehicles and carrying guns while bicycle riding begs me to reiterate my question: can you please explain to me how you will use your safely stored away gun to preclude an attack from a perp who's intent on making you their victim? And yes, you ride your bike with your hands on the handlebars 99.99% of the time.

    To reiterate, this thread is NOT solely about carrying a gun for protection, it's about carrying a gun while cycling. Gun experience (I've owned 5 handguns in my lifetime and fired probably 5k rounds at various times or another), education, or none of the above, I'm interested in your response to the above question.
     
  9. jhuskey

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    Notable facts: The OP is still around but looks like he is averaging about a post a year over the past three. Nothing wrong with that, of course. I don't think anyone has been convinced or swayed and the debate goes on.
    I still don't carry a gun while cycling but I don't take a fishing pole into the desert, hire a one legged man to win an a** kicking contest or take Viagra and the reason is I just don't see the need.
    On the other hand I don't own a space suit but would probably want to wear one if I went into space so I understand that circumstances vary.
     
  10. AceBruceGary

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    Why do I feel the need? That is an irrelevant question.
    1. It is my right. I don't need to justify it. It is like asking why I feel the need to speak my opinion or believe in the religion that I do. Humoring the "why" gives legitimacy to the argument of "need".

    2. I don't own and carry a gun because Obama became president (or anyone else). That's truly a strange argument. I owned and carried guns before Obama was president. I'll own and carry them afterwards. Again one of the weirdest arguments I've ever heard. I think you have a very strange perspective.

    3. Again with the helmet thing: It's a risk vs benefit issue. Carrying a gun is much more practical to me than wearing a helmet so I choose to do so. If wearing a helmet were more convenient and I believe it to be safer then sure why not? There are things where wearing a gun isn't so practical; swimming for instance but even then I do occasionally carry. It's all dependent on your situation.

    4. I ride with my hands on my handlebars. Yes. How do you control the radio in your car if you have both hands on the wheel?
    Access to your gun is always important regardless of your situation. Many police officers keep patrol rifles in their trunk, clearly not accessible as quickly as they would be on their hip. Are they useless in the trunk?

    It's nice that you've owned 5 handguns in your lifetime. I don't think you get it yet but that's ok. Not everyone has to.

    I hope you realize that regardless of what you believe, I'm going to believe something different and I have no problem with you NOT carrying a gun and would never support legislation to force that upon you. I hope the opposite is true. Should you change your mind in the future for whatever reason I am optimistic that you would have the opportunity to do so.
     
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  11. tonyzackery

    tonyzackery Well-Known Member

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    1. Ask a simple question - can't even get a semblance of an answer. I fully understand why you choose not to address it though. Being exposed is not a comfortable feeling.

    2. Strawman. Provided explanation for the point you obviously missed regarding who the tools are.

    3. Paranoia - wearing a crash helmet while driving a road-going vehicle and carrying a gun while cycling. Suggest you get out of your "situation" which would preclude your fear of the boogeyman.

    4. Should go without saying that comparing your possession of a firearm while cycling to that of a police officer with a shotgun in the trunk of their police car is so absurd that it needs no response. You clearly didn't think that one out.

    You're right - this discussion is pretty useless and nonconsequential. Thanks for playing.
     
  12. AceBruceGary

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    1. I'll answer your question if you provide reasoning to why you need freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
    2. I honestly think I did miss it. What are you arguing?
    3. Again with the paranoia and fear. Do you wear a helmet when you bike? I do. Am I scared I'm going to crash? Nope. Just because I have the tools to protect myself doesn't mean I live in fear.
    4. You brought up the question about accessibility. I gave you an example of how someone who you and others probably will agree have a "need" also has accessibility issues...thus my argument that accessibility is always an issue in any situation. Even when on your hip in a patrol car.

    Thanks for playing what?



     
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    Nevermind. At this point, this discussion has been reduced to its lowest level.
    Carry on...
     
  14. AceBruceGary

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    Nice pun

     
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  16. AceBruceGary

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    It's a real toss up for me. Having trouble figuring out which would be best.
    I am always hesitant to buy the small pocket guns for reliability reasons.

    Ruger LC9, Kahm PM9, MK9 (Supposedly more reliable than the polymer PM9)
    Keltec P3AT, Kahr P380
     
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    If you can find one, the old AMT Backup in .45ACP is heavy, but small.
     
  18. AceBruceGary

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    I have heard many bad things about the AMT Backup and it's commonly mentioned as "one of the worst guns I have ever owned".
    Do you have one and is it reliable?
     
  19. BadWolf

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    For what it's worth, my most common carry gun is usually either a S&W 340PD in 357 or a S&W 342Ti in 38. They're light and dependable. I haven't yet however carried while riding the bicycle.
     
  20. Akadat

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    Hey fankie, you should not be carryin a gun in this condition, nor driving nor cycling :)
     
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