How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

Discussion in 'Cycling Equipment' started by Joe West, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. bernmart

    bernmart New Member

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    A very sensible post, this. I, a life-long ACLU, tree-hugging liberal, just finished firing my handgun at a range, and cleaning it. Here in CA I don't have a carry permit, so taking it with me as I ride isn't an option. Not sure if I would do so even with a permit. But a lot of the posts on this topic have arisen from people's visceral distaste for firearms, and not from reasoned and careful thought. Too often, we join what amount to clubs, wherein everyone pretty much agrees with everyone else, and expressing an unexpected point of view is a social gaffe, rather than a challenge to re-think things.

    Let's try not to fall into this trap. We've got one thing in common--we ride and love bicycles. Everything else is up for grabs, and we deserve each other's respect.
     


  2. stormer94

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    Then the attacker went from having 100% of the upper hand to 50/50. You went from 0% to 50/50. One of the two of the people in this scenario is a coward, with any luck, the coward will run... and you can continue on about the business of cleaning out your shorts...

    And if what you meant is what if you are attacked and present your piece, and then the attacker presents his. I don't know if that's logical. Why would an attacker with a gun not use it to gain the upper hand right off the bat? Is it more fun to get yourself in over your head and THEN show a weapon, rather than just control the situation at the start? I'm not sure how miserable the criminal mind is, but I'd be willing to bet if you have a gun and you are planning on a crime, you start with that.

    It would have to be MANY times more effective (as a spine-less piece of human waste) to put a weapon in Grandma's face and take her purse, than to simply ask for it with no weapon at all.
     
  3. stormer94

    stormer94 New Member

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    You know what's pitiful, I'd be willing to bet if 2 losers are trying to break into your home, and one of them drowned in YOUR pool, you'd be liable...
     
  4. Hypnospin

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    lotsa bikes carry a doughboy.



     
  5. Hypnospin

    Hypnospin New Member

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    hey, no prob. you may have a second and a half to engage. this means loaded at hand, preferrably chambered. of course, during periods of non-engagement this is another reason for the number of accidental discharges and the aftermath thereof.

    "ithaca10" my new username


     
  6. McSpin

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    All the more reason to have the option of a gun. The attacker may clearly mean to kill you... it happens. So, would you rather be in a situation where the attacker wants to kill you, and not have a gun, or would you rather have the option of reaching for a gun if the opportunity presents itself? If you choose not to defend yourself with a gun, that is your right, why would you want to keep me from protecting myself with one? In this senerio, I'm not the bad guy. I find it completely weird that some want to make it safer for the criminal, but many do.
     
  7. mitosis

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    Missed the point. When one person has a gun there is much less likely to be shooting. If both have one there is much more chance that some one will get shot.
     
  8. mitosis

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    Missed the point too. Read 588. :rolleyes:
     
  9. martin_j001

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    That might be true, but as someone else already pointed out, your chances of survival greatly decrease if only the other person has a gun. Are you willing to bet your life that they aren't willing to shoot you? :rolleyes:
     
  10. theresa51

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    This is crazy!! Yes, Americans have a love affair with their guns, but I'm not one of them! I'd probably shoot myself in the foot first, then fall off of my bike! Regarding Michael Moore, the filmmaker of Bowling for Columbine, I personally find his point of view refreshing and interesting, although I tend to be more moderate....Now, I don't know where ya'll live, but if I can't ride my bike without worrying about being mugged, I shouldn't be driving my car or walking in that area either! But, I've also been trying to remember to pick up some pepper spray to carry, but so far I haven't needed it either.:rolleyes:
     
  11. martin_j001

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    Undoubtedly a good point. Just like you said though, the problem is that you can only be as prepared as you can make yourself. You've never had a need for pepperspray, but you never know that you won't need it sometime in the future either. In my opinion, the best you can do to prevent becoming a victim of a crime is to be prepared. Whether this means to be prepared to sprint as fast as you can away from trouble, whether you carry a frame pump or a bike lock and are prepared to use that, whether its pepperspray or a gun...the only thing you can do is to be prepared--cause you never know what might happen when.
     
  12. OzPete

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    Well, quite frankly I'm shocked by this thread and particularly by the argument used by the pro gun people.

    I visited this forum from a link posted on an Australian Bike forum. The link was posted highlighting the stupidity of carrying a gun while riding. Now I can see that the NRA members out there do not think it is a stupid thing to do and I'm happy for you to have that opinion....and I'm even happier that you do not live in Australia.

    I have a couple of points to make after reading the first 18 pages of this thread.

    Is this the same Utopian society that breeds the individuals that you feel so scared of that you have to carry a firearm? this doesn't sound like any Utopia that I want to be involved with.

    Also, you must have a strange view of what freedom is. Freedom to me is being able to go riding my bike (or do anything else that I choose) without feeling so scared that I have to carry a gun.

    Obviously your self control is completely ineffective otherwise you would feel the need to carry a gun when cycling. If you could control yourselves, all the undesirables would be in the world's largest prison system.

    Another fine example of this so called Utopia?? You keep weapons handy in case your government turns against you?

    Personally, I do not fear my Government or the people in the society that I live. I feel free to ride my bike when and where I want to without the need to carry with me a tool that has one purpose - to end someone's life.

    And to close - I feel sorry for you that you seem to have no understanding of what freedon is or what it is like to be truely free.

    Pete
     
  13. biodiesel

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    I conceal a 8 inch barrel in my spandex!

    Always carry protection.
    Never know when you might get to use it.

    :D
     
  14. sammyphsyco

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    yup i carry mine in my bike shorts, i don't think anyone can tell though:eek:
     
  15. Neo Falls

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    Ignorance is bliss huh. Someone has a different view to yours, challenges your way, your beliefs and the best you can do is act as though they were never there. Is that your solution ? I can't see them, therefore they can't see me?

    You talk of your country as a UTOPIA compared to every other country in the world. The definition of a Utopia is [size=-1]An ideal place or state. A socially and politically perfect society.

    The word itself means " a place where everything is right."

    And yet, in this Utopia, you find the need to carry a gun, while you ride your bike. What kind of Utopia is that?

    Guns are made for one purpose. To end life and it's all too easy to do.

    [/size][size=-1]Utopia you call it? Far from it mate.[/size]
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    Here in Australia, it is illegal to carry a gun, but this does not make Australian people weak. We do not live in fear of our own people turning against us.

    It is sad, that most of you here talk about carrying a gun like carrying a cell phone.










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  16. OneRing

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    I´ve got all you `Good Ole Boys`beat. I am Australian but Live in Angola (Africa). When I ride I have my own personal military driver who follows me as my father in law is a general here. So I don´t carry anything but he carries an AK47 & belive me he knows how to use it.
     
  17. martin_j001

    martin_j001 New Member

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    If only we all had a personal armed escort.... **dreaming of happy, long rides with no pissy motorists and other evil-doers**
    :D :D :D
     
  18. Hypnospin

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    reminds me of the w.c. fields movie short, "if i had a million". theme was, he hired an entourage of cars and drivers to start out the day, and as the need arose, he would smash one after another into each offending fellow motorist.
    the end of the day had them driving home all piled into the surviving car...

    "you're gonna need a bullet proof vest, if you're gonna leave the nest"
    -hot tuna


     
  19. stormer94

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    Now THAT, is cool. :D
     
  20. huhenio

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    I want two Harley police motorcycles opening traffic in front of me and a "Al Capone" kind of car loaded with 7 henchmen watching my back.

    Of course, I want them in era correct clothing and weaponry.
     
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