How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

[j__z]

Surely a society that protects a citizen's rights to travel safely without the need to be armed, and certainly to recreate on a bicycle without carrying a gun is desirable. I'd happily trade my 'individual freedom' to be murdered for the obligation for society to offer me that protection.

Actually, in the States its been found by the courts, that police or society as a whole, have no responsiblity or obligation to protect an individual from harm. I'm guessing its very similiar in Aussie land. Though I'm not that familiar with the legal and civil systems there.

(I can't wait to visit New Zealand)


Personally I am not willing to trade my individual freedom for safety. This includes freedom of speech, peaceful assembly, etc. Granted there are limits, i.e. not yelling fire in a crowded theater, but you don't muzzle people in a theater because there is the possibility that they may infact do that.

Regardless cheers, I'm off. Love this BBS though. Glad I found it today.

 

[OzPete]

I don't think that there's any obligation for society to provide me with protection.

The fact is, I do not feel the need to be protected. That is the whole point of what many Australians, Europeans and Brits have posted here.

I just don't get how anyone could think they have freedom just because they are allowed to carry a gun.

Freedom for me is being able to be part of a society where I can go about my business and specifically enjoy cycling without being so scarred of the other members of that society that I need to carry a gun.

Obviously I do not live in the U.S. and I can happily say that I'm glad of it.

If you think that your right to carry a gun is what makes you free, then I feel truly sorry for you. Obviously U.S. society is in such a bad state that you feel you have to bear arms to protect yourself. As you have been raised in this society you have no other perspective from which to base any comparisons. The perspective provided by a many others here is based on having the benefit of viewing your society from the outside and also have something else to compare it with.

 

[ProfTournesol]

Actually, in the States its been found by the courts, that police or society as a whole, have no responsiblity or obligation to protect an individual from harm. I'm guessing its very similiar in Aussie land. Though I'm not that familiar with the legal and civil systems there.

(I can't wait to visit New Zealand)


Personally I am not willing to trade my individual freedom for safety. This includes freedom of speech, peaceful assembly, etc. Granted there are limits, i.e. not yelling fire in a crowded theater, but you don't muzzle people in a theater because there is the possibility that they may infact do that.

Regardless cheers, I'm off. Love this BBS though. Glad I found it today.

well, actually Australians have a quite different attitude. We have created a civic society where we trade individual 'freedoms' to kill each other or to be killed for rules that we all try to abide by. As freud pointed out though, the rules only exist as a sanction to the wish - we also feel the need to murder each other from time to time but on the whole it is fairly harmonious and safe. we don't need to carry weapons when cycling - perhaps that is our loss, in which case it is a feature of US culture that is best not exported here.

 

[OzPete]

Actually, in the States its been found by the courts, that police or society as a whole, have no responsiblity or obligation to protect an individual from harm. I'm guessing its very similiar in Aussie land. Though I'm not that familiar with the legal and civil systems there.

(I can't wait to visit New Zealand)

New Zealand's a great place. Make sure you tell everyone how nice it is to be in Australia. We really love it when people say that. It will earn you heaps of brownie points.

 

[EoinC]

New Zealand's a great place...

Ut shor us, Jum. Just rumumber, don't put the puss un the frudge, stuck ut un the chully bun! That's the way, eh!

 

[mitosis]

Last time I checked Australians cannot carry concealed handguns. I can legally carry a handgun if I choose to do so. Yet somehow you think you have more freedom than I do. Try again.

If you feel the need to carry a gun you are not free. Whether I am allowed to or not doesn't enter into it.

 

[mitosis]

Ut shor us, Jum. Just rumumber, don't put the puss un the frudge, stuck ut un the chully bun! That's the way, eh!

Choice bro'. Don't forgut the flup flops.

 

[OzPete]

Awwww. You fullas are just taking thu puss nuw eh?

Gut thu puss in thu chully bun. Gutting the fush'n'chups on thu way buck frum thu shups.

Bluudy Aussies.

 

[C-4]

If you feel the need to carry a gun you are not free. Whether I am allowed to or not doesn't enter into it.

Maybe you didn't read my post. I can choose to carry a firearm if I want to (which I often do). You have no such choice. You are part of the sheeple who choose not to be responsible for their own protection and expect the gov't to protect you.

 

[mitosis]

Maybe you didn't read my post. I can choose to carry a firearm if I want to (which I often do). You have no such choice. You are part of the sheeple who choose not to be responsible for their own protection and expect the gov't to protect you.

So killing other people is protection? Makes you free?

I'm going to Hawaii in a couple of weeks can you recommend a good shop to buy a gun? Maybe I can open a bank account and get one for free. Just for protection of course. LOL.

 

[C-4]

So killing other people is protection? Makes you free?

I'm going to Hawaii in a couple of weeks can you recommend a good shop to buy a gun? Maybe I can open a bank account and get one for free. Just for protection of course. LOL.

You don't actually believe that dying at the hands of a criminal makes you free. Or are you going to deny that there is any violent crime in Australia.

Hawaii has strict gun control laws so you'll feel right at home. Reading your Socialist psycho-babble reminds me why I left Canada. High taxes, strict gun control, a crumbling health care system. I'm sure you'd feel right at home there as well.

 

[EoinC]

Awwww. You fullas are just taking thu puss nuw eh?

Gut thu puss in thu chully bun. Gutting the fush'n'chups on thu way buck frum thu shups.

Bluudy Aussies.

Butter hurry, Bro'. Thu Fush'n'Chup Shup shuts ut sux...Eh!

 

[Upstroke]

So killing other people is protection? Makes you free?

I'm going to Hawaii in a couple of weeks can you recommend a good shop to buy a gun? Maybe I can open a bank account and get one for free. Just for protection of course. LOL.

Well.....................Few of us law abiding citizens leave the house in the morning with our Firearms thinking " Wonder who I'm going to have to kill today to get to work". "Damn United States , Wish I lived somewhere safe like France".

But if it is a you or me decision, preventing me from "Serious Injury or Death" , then your toast.

You can choose whether or not your are going to allow yourself to become a victum.

One other thing comes to mind. If the **** Hits the Fan, war,
loss of government services, civil unrest, earthquakes,"The worst parts of the Bible start happening." I'll be the guy relieving you and your family of your food stores and water.
Thought I'd end this post on a happy note.

 

[OzPete]

Well.....................Few of us law abiding citizens leave the house in the morning with our Firearms thinking " Wonder who I'm going to have to kill today to get to work". "Damn United States , Wish I lived somewhere safe like France".

But if it is a you or me decision, preventing me from "Serious Injury or Death" , then your toast.

You can choose whether or not your are going to allow yourself to become a victum.

One other thing comes to mind. If the **** Hits the Fan, war,
loss of government services, civil unrest, earthquakes,"The worst parts of the Bible start happening." I'll be the guy relieving you and your family of your food stores and water.
Thought I'd end this post on a happy note.

Well Upstroke, you're full of cheer and goodwill.

 

[EoinC]

Well Upstroke, you're full of cheer and goodwill.

...And verily the Big Man did speaketh, "There shall be a loud banging noise, announcing the arrival of thy shite upon thy Fan, and the Land shall suffereth great loss of Government Services. The peoples shall reach for their weapons and blessed shall be the bearded man who posseseth the Ammo Shop at the corner of 7th and Elm."

 

[OzPete]

...And verily the Big Man did speaketh, "There shall be a loud banging noise, announcing the arrival of thy shite upon thy Fan, and the Land shall suffereth great loss of Government Services. The peoples shall reach for their weapons and blessed shall be the bearded man who posseseth the Ammo Shop at the corner of 7th and Elm."

Ha ha ha. Very good.

It's from the book of Cyril. Cyril Chapter 10 verse 23.

 

[mitosis]

Butter hurry, Bro'. Thu Fush'n'Chup Shup shuts ut sux...Eh!

Dare I say the word sheep?

 

[OzPete]

Dare I say the word sheep?

They're the reason why I carry a firearm at all times. Those sheep can be viscious - particularly the predatory ones that lurk behind shrubberies waiting for mountain bikers to come riding past. They single out the riders who do not carry a firearm as they must have VICTIM tatooed onto their foreheads.

And if it's not the sheep, it's those bloody Wombats. They go straight for the jugular when you ride past too.

 

[artemidorus]

I imagine that the citizens of New Orleans are very happy that there are so many guns around for folks to protect themselves with....

 

[jontramos]

Are you sick? What attitude is that? You also wear a gun while going to the theatre with your girl?
Well I guess it's just typical american behaviour. I saw that movie once "Bowling for Columbine". You should watch that, it gives you a whole other look on the carrying of weapons.
Answer to you question: No I don't carry a weapon on training!

Don't say "typical American behaviour"



First of all AMERICA is more than just the USA... There is also S. America, Central America, and Canada. I don't think that you should categorize 3 continents of people for what one guy in the state Arizona does!



Secondly, (assuming you mean the USA) how can you grossly stereotype the people of the USA? The USA is an incredibly diverse nation, and whenever you have a population this diverse, inevitably you have people with ideas that are very different from your own.



Third. He bikes in ARIZONA. Have you ever been there? I somehow doubt it. If you had you might want a gun with you. NOT FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE! But for rattlesnakes and other dangerous wildlife that can happen upon you.



You are now the one who is coming off as ignorant. Just for clarification: I mean you, not you and the entire country of Belgium.