Routier said:Are you sick? What attitude is that? You also wear a gun while going to the theatre with your girl?
Well I guess it's just typical american behaviour. I saw that movie once "Bowling for Columbine". You should watch that, it gives you a whole other look on the carrying of weapons.
Answer to you question: No I don't carry a weapon on training!
artemidorus said:Please, those who can be bothered, view http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/vda/vda-sec04.html
and look at figures 2, 3 and 6.
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Good points. That link was what I was looking at however, I mistook NT as the state that Sydney was in and not the Outback so that blows my population density theory out of the water. It was late and I should have been sleeping instead of posting. However, if you look at figure 4, you will see that in the Northern Territory, the murder rate is much higher than the average of the U.S. Why is that?
jitteringjr said:artemidorus said:Please, those who can be bothered, view http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/vda/vda-sec04.html
and look at figures 2, 3 and 6.
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Good points. That link was what I was looking at however, I mistook NT as the state that Sydney was in and not the Outback so that blows my population density theory out of the water. It was late and I should have been sleeping instead of posting. However, if you look at figure 4, you will see that in the Northern Territory, the murder rate is much higher than the average of the U.S. Why is that?
NT faces different social problems than the other states. For instance, there is widespread poverty, crime and alcohol abuse in indigenous communities (for reasons I won't go into here). Some people also credit the climate for high crime (and suicide) rates - it gets very hot and very humid in the wet season. Others appeal to the rough and tough stereotype that seems to pervade attitudes to NTians. Gun control advocates would probably point to the rate of gun ownership in NT - there are lots of jobs that require the use of firearms in the outback, so firearms are easier to procure. Hopefully, you'll get the idea that the reasons are many and complex.
Ritch
jitteringjr said:artemidorus said:However, if you look at figure 4, you will see that in the Northern Territory, the murder rate is much higher than the average of the U.S. Why is that?
Too many guns for shootin' "crocks"
ritcho said:NT faces different social problems than the other states. For instance, there is widespread poverty, crime and alcohol abuse in indigenous communities (for reasons I won't go into here). Some people also credit the climate for high crime (and suicide) rates - it gets very hot and very humid in the wet season. Others appeal to the rough and tough stereotype that seems to pervade attitudes to NTians. Gun control advocates would probably point to the rate of gun ownership in NT - there are lots of jobs that require the use of firearms in the outback, so firearms are easier to procure. Hopefully, you'll get the idea that the reasons are many and complex.
Ritch
Fat Hack said:Frankly, I think it's too late for the USA; there's just too many guns, so any talk of gun control is pretty much pointless. So, there's no hope.
How the hell can anyone expect to control the movment of 80 million guns?
portrider said:"The whackos have less chance of constructing a fully functioning weapon of serious destruction if they are trying to put a bomb together." ??? ---A bomb isn't a weapon of serious destruction???
"The McVeigh incident is not a regularly occuring scenario, is it?" The bombing, which you refer to so lightly as "The McVeigh incident" KILLED how many inocent people?
"I'm not an intellectual, I don't have great debating skills, and I'm not a "full book" on this issue" neither am I.
meehs said:People killed in the McVeigh bombing incident: 168
Gun deaths in the United States in the year 2000: 28,000
traffic fatalities in 2000 : 54,429meehs said:Gun deaths in the United States in the year 2000: 28,000
Hazmat said:traffic fatalities in 2000 : 54,429
so I guess we need to ban cars too....
meehs said:Yeah! Good point! A good reason that we should all ride our bikes.
I do think it's an interesting statistic though! The Oklahoma City bombing could've been repeated 100 times and still not have even come close to the number of firearm deaths!
Hazmat said:yeeeaaah, except i am not buying that figure. 20k+ from firearms in the US alone? I just strongly doubt it, that sounds very spun to me, but as I don't have proof of otherwise, I shall stepdown till someone does.
Hazmat said:yeeeaaah, except i am not buying that figure. 20k+ from firearms in the US alone? I just strongly doubt it, that sounds very spun to me, but as I don't have proof of otherwise, I shall stepdown till someone does.
meehs said:People killed in the McVeigh bombing incident: 168
Gun deaths in the United States in the year 2000: 28,000
Joe West said:Just wondering how many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment? Here in Arizona we can legally carry open and concealed (concealed with permit).
For long distance touring and bicycle camping... I think I'd feel safer carrying my .45 semi-auto pistol (concealed so it doesn't freak people out).
Anyone else carry while biking?
JW
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