I invoke Godwin's Law. You lose.6fhscjess said:Gun control proponents included Stalin, ******, Pol Pot etc.
I invoke Godwin's Law. You lose.6fhscjess said:Gun control proponents included Stalin, ******, Pol Pot etc.
You're so cute...I just wanna pinch your chubby little cheeks!missing said:You still wont answer the question, so I guess you are a coward. Did a bad guy scare you, make you wet your pants?
Afghanistan and Iraq were,and are, strong 'gun cultures'. Sure helped them 'resist the tyrant'....not.6fhscjess said:Gun control proponents included Stalin, ******, Pol Pot etc.
Guns aren't banned in Australia...and we've had 80 plus years to 'show effect'.cbjesseeNH said:I see. When serious challenges to arguements arise, the strategy is to ignore them, vaguely impugn sources based on hearsay, and insult the challengers.
As observed in the case of each state in the US that has recently debated and passed Shall-Issue CCW, this is part of the anti-gun scheme, and usually follows the failed efforts of sobbing mothers to convince legislators and votors.
It's actually become heartening to see, as repetition of the anti-gun pattern of arguement and antics is a sure sign of their impending failure to be effective in changing minds and laws.
Only in countries where the government can act independently from the wishes of the people have gun bans been implemented - most with outcomes bordering on, or lapsing into, genocide.
Sorry. More tiny islands with tiny populations, or large islands with tiny populations, banning guns and struggling to show effect, are unlikely to prove a point to the rest of the world.
The crumudgon of the forum raises his head and expects all to pray at the alter of his wisdom.alienator said:Talk about cowards.....here you are talking like a rough and tumble stud boy. Talk is cheap Frances, and there are more than enough cops that are shivering cowards at their core. Careful how you pigeonhole people, because it can just as easily be done to you.
You sound like an embarassment to the shield you wear.
No explanation as tocbjesseeNH said:Couldn't help throwing in the insult? That's alright, I know you can't help it - it's part of your argumentation style. But seriously - it's not effective. If you chase a way a few who don't want to tolerate your insults, maybe you count them as "wins"?
3x the murder rate in the US?
Like I said above: "Wow! With an estimated 1 gun per 3 persons in the US, and some 1/2 to 2/3 of US homes having a gun on the premesis, you would think the differential would be much higher."
... and in 80 years!
"Ban" has different degrees, I'll admit. Can you walk out the door today, buy a handgun and carry it concealed for the stated purpose of self-defense? We're not talking 2-round target shotguns here...
It's spelt 'curmudgeon' and 'altar'....you cute little thing you.missing said:The crumudgon of the forum raises his head and expects all to pray at the alter of his wisdom.
I've been called much worse by better.
Aaaaww...no good-bye kiss?missing said:Enough of the hoplophobes, I should have followed my own advice.
Goodby
missing said:The crumudgon of the forum raises his head and expects all to pray at the alter of his wisdom.
I've been called much worse by better.
Do I take it you are NOT surprised that such a large number of guns in the US has lead to only a 3x higher murder rate than AUS?stevebaby said:No explanation as to
why the USA has such a high murder rate?
There are no data suggesting that the deterrent effect of concealed carry is attributed to any specific make, model, caliber or type of gun, but since concealed carry of machine guns was not legal during the timeframe of the data analyzed, one might suppose that the effect was not attributable to the ability to carry a machine gun concealed. So whether I can or can't, which only depends on the prevailing laws, there is no anticipated increase in deterrent effect. Some argue that since our state militias use automatic weapons, all citizens should be free to employ them as desired, but that's a different discussion.stevebaby said:Can you walk out the door today,buy a machine gun and carry it for the purpose of self-defence?
Sometimes you start with an insult and some times you finish with an insult. Both ineffective.stevebaby said:You really don't understand what 'Law' is at all, do you? It's quite beyond your comprehension.
Of course I'm not surprised that the murder rate is higher. There is a very obvious reason isn't there?cbjesseeNH said:Do I take it you are NOT surprised that such a large number of guns in the US has lead to only a 3x higher murder rate than AUS?
There are no data suggesting that the deterrent effect of concealed carry is attributed to any specific make, model, caliber or type of gun, but since concealed carry of machine guns was not legal during the timeframe of the data analyzed, one might suppose that the effect was not attributable to the ability to carry a machine gun concealed. So whether I can or can't, which only depends on the prevailing laws, there is no anticipated increase in deterrent effect. Some argue that since our state militias use automatic weapons, all citizens should be free to employ them as desired, but that's a different discussion.
Aside from the 2nd Amendment perspective (which is not minor, but a bit off-topic here), my point was addressing the concept of "ban" as limiting ownership, access and employ of guns to the extent that they were not useful in self-defense.
Again, tiny islands or large islands with tiny populations may not well model social behavior in the most populous countries. So comparing the US and AUS may not be useful at all.stevebaby said:Australia is one of the most urbanized countries in the world, much more so than the USA, and I realize that the USA has much more poverty than Australia.
Otherwise, the main variable is the high rate of concealed weapon ownership.
You haven't answered the question as to why the murder rate in the USA is so much higher than every other OECD country.
Why is it so?
You are quite correct .... which brings me to a question - Does anyone have any statistics on gun ownership and rates of murder/violent crime in India? This is a country with a huge population - of course, it is culturally quite different from the USA but if we are looking at the issue from a purely numbers perspective, it would be interesting to know what the Indian statistics are.cbjesseeNH said:Again, tiny islands or large islands with tiny populations may not well model social behavior in the most populous countries. So comparing the US and AUS may not be useful at all.
That is a key point right there. We live in an ocean of dangers. There are all sorts of things that could kill you, but what is the probability of any one of them. If you are so terrified of being killed in an unlikely circumstance that you feel the need to carry a gun, maybe you should protect yourself from things other than random violence.matagi said:Perhaps a better question would be - what is the risk of being involved in a crime where a concealed weapon would be of benefit?
alienator said:you and your ilk are the kind of folks I point out when I tell my daughter, "They're the reason that we have war, honey. They're the reason innocent people die. They're the sort the have no original thought of their own, only what is fed to them."
now there's the pot calling the kettlealienator said:who are you to judge who is or isn't a coward or take the measure of another man? Please, do tell how your own stature and measure among men is so great that you can do such things.
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