Ed Friedman wrote:
> Russ H. wrote:
> > Ed,what about people with full heads of hair that don't seem to have a DHT
> > problem? Can't they safely increase their levels of T.?
> >
>
> Russ,
>
> If by being safe, you are referring to prostate cancer, then the answer
> would be yes and no. Whenever you increase your level of T without
> monitoring and optimizing your levels of DHT and estradiol, you will
> increase your chance of getting prostate cancer. However, if you
> increase your level of T while monitoring and optimizing your levels of
> DHT and estradiol, then you will lessen your chance of getting prostate
> cancer. If you are interested in reading more about this, you should
> read my paper at: http://www.tbiomed.com/content/2/1/10
>
> Ed Friedman
Hi Ed,
Your article is quite interesting from a purely academic point of view, but I
think it may not be as accurate in the real world, especially with those who are
using larger amounts of Testosterone and it's derivatives to gain muscle. If you
look at the issue from a purely academic point of view, one would think that
there should be thousands and thousands of long time users of high dose anabolic
steroids out there with Prostate cancer. For some reason, this is not happening.
I am not sure if their concurrent usage of Estrogen inhibitors like Arimidex or
Estrogen blockers like Nolvadex has kept this from happening, but many have used
high dosages of androgens for years with little to none of the "anti" Estrogen
drugs. Another thing that may contribute to this, at least in the bodybuilding
world, is that they change their drugs quite often from the more heavy androgens
to the more highly anabolic drugs lower in androgens. One thing I have seen with
long term users of anabolic steroids is that they tend to have higher than
average PSA readings with no cancer. I have probably run into at least 25
different guys who ran high PSAs where the initial diagnosis was prostate
cancer, but after tests were done, there was not even mild prostate hypertrophy,
let alone any malignancies. There is also something that has never been tested
as there would be no money in finding out the answers, but there is a need for a
certain amount of Estrogen to be present for optimum anabolism. Most of the
Veterinary anabolic steroid combinations usually are made up of an androgen,
some type of Testosterone, a higher anabolic agent like Nandralone or Boldenone
and Estrogen. From a purely anecdotal point of view, I have worked with well
over 100 top bodybuilders and athletes using anabolic agents and in every case,
if too much of either Arimidex or Nolvadex was used, their anabolic effects were
greatly reduced. If you follow bodybuilding, you will see that most bodybuilders
will carry far more water in the off season even if they are still quite lean as
they try to keep their "anti" estrogen type drugs to a minimum when trying to
build more muscle. They then will increase their use of Proviron, Arimidex and
Nolvadex when the contest is getting closer. During the dieting phase, their
main goal is to hold on to as much muscle as possible while trying to get rid of
every ounce of fat. As you know, the more we learn, many times it just shows us
just how much we do not know. I work with a number of MDs who are into the Anti
aging business and now prescribe Growth Hormone, Testosterone and a few other
anabolic agents. We do full testing and what we do with someone who may be 60 is
different than what we would do with someone in their 40s. We try to use enough
basic Testosterone, either Cypionate or Enanthate, to keep their sex drive
going, but we will then give more Deca Durabolin to increase their lean body
mass as Deca is probably THE safest anabolic steroid ever made. I would be
interested in hearing your views regarding the large # of clinics that are now
prescribing anabolic steroids and Growth Hormone to help counter decreased sex
drive and loss of muscle mass.
Rob
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