"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong

[donquijote1954]

Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
Napoleon himself...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/J/Q/bush_napoleon.jpg

(Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)


HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

***

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday.

Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.

The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
means a 99 percent chance.

The report is considered an authoritative document that could
influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

 

[Bill Baka]

donquijote1954 wrote:
> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.

Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.

And how about those
> who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
> for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
> back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.

It really is a case of blame the humans, mostly for over populating and
causing the congestion in the first place.

> But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
> it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
> Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
> decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
> Napoleon himself...
>
> http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/J/Q/bush_napoleon.jpg
>
> (Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)
>
>
> HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY
>
> One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
> complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
> every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
> to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
> them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
> kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
> the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
> of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
> it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
> words...

OK, that covers both Bushes.
>
> Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
> in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
> the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
> Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
> have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
> importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
> the quick way out of poverty..."
>
> And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
> the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
> to the effect of exploring life in other planets...
>
> ***
>
> PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
> awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
> likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
> conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
> new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
> door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
> approved, is to be released Friday.
>
> Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
> meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
> likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.

DUH!
>
> The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
> human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
> try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
> means a 99 percent chance.

Nobody wants to mention that humans are causing the greatest mass
extinction of species that has ever happened in the world, except for
the meteor that took out the dinosaurs.
>
> The report is considered an authoritative document that could
> influence government and industrial policy worldwide.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
>
No arguments from me.
Bill Baka

 

[Arnold Walker]

"Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
>> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
>> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
> Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
> CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
> If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
> vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
> makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no good
Now that we have defined 2% of the total CO2 emission as a lot .....
What are we going to call the other 98%
>
> And how about those
>> who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
>> for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
>> back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
You know that bike will have you puffing more CO2 out on the hills don't
you.
>
> It really is a case of blame the humans, mostly for over populating and
> causing the congestion in the first place.
And not paying socialist the kind of tax revenues they think they are due...
In Iraq OIL for Food fashion.....
How much of that much of that money was used for the purpose given to the
general public.

>
>> But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
>> it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
>> Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
>> decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
>> Napoleon himself...
And the lions are the dictators and socialist that need to shame you into
obeyence
to their plans. Without question on motive,etc.
Who will, like Hillary, change 16 times in 8years or less to maintain the
control
And wonder why you would question or remember anything she didn't give you
promission to look at.
Hell,make any statement or stand and in all likelihood she was on your side
for at least a day in the past two decades.
While it was to her benefit at least.......
>>
>> http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/J/Q/bush_napoleon.jpg
>>
>> (Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)
>>
>>
>> HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY
>>
>> One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
>> complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
>> every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
>> to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
>> them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
>> kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
>> the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
>> of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
>> it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
>> words...
>
> OK, that covers both Bushes.
>>
>> Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
>> in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
>> the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
>> Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
>> have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
>> importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
>> the quick way out of poverty..."
>>
>> And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
>> the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
>> to the effect of exploring life in other planets...
>>
>> ***
>>
>> PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
>> awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
>> likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
>> conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
>> new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
>> door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
>> approved, is to be released Friday.
>>
>> Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
>> meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
>> likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
>> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.
>
> DUH!
>>
>> The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
>> human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
>> try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
>> means a 99 percent chance.
>
> Nobody wants to mention that humans are causing the greatest mass
> extinction of species that has ever happened in the world, except for the
> meteor that took out the dinosaurs.
>>
>> The report is considered an authoritative document that could
>> influence government and industrial policy worldwide.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change
>>
>> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>>
>> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
>> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
>>
> No arguments from me.
> Bill Baka
>



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[donquijote1954]

On Feb 1, 2:54 pm, Bill Baka <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> > humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> > Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
> Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
> CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
> If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
> vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
> makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.

You are telling me that someone commuting by bike pollutes nearly as
much as someone riding an SUV just to please his ego? Then the SUVs
are not a problem and nothing is a problem and nothing gets done.

If you drive an SUV you are the symbol of pollution, though we may all
pollute to different degrees. It's the ones that don't care and don't
want to change, the ones guilty for pollution. And they go to Hell, I
hope. Unless, of course, they write the story. They should buy one of
these bumper stickers...

Yep, that's a miracle indeed. I guess Jesus would have driven a
Hummer. "By their deeds you shall know them."

http://www.zazzle.com/product/128126522821097506

 

[Bill Baka]

Arnold Walker wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
>>> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
>>> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>> Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
>> CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
>> If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
>> vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
>> makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no good
> Now that we have defined 2% of the total CO2 emission as a lot .....
> What are we going to call the other 98%

You missed the point I was trying to make, albeit my argument was a bit
flawed. 6 billion people not only breathing but trying to get to a
higher standard of living which means they will be using fossil fuel or
burning whatever to power their newly acquired toys. Only about a
billion, maybe more, maybe less, have cars but as that changes upward we
will have that much more. And don't forget that all these people will
want electricity to power their newly acquired cars, televisions, etc.
<snip>
That's all from me.
Too many threads and groups on this subject.
Bill Baka

 

[Bill Baka]

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:54 pm, Bill Baka <[email protected]> wrote:
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
>>> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
>>> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>> Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
>> CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
>> If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
>> vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
>> makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.
>
> You are telling me that someone commuting by bike pollutes nearly as
> much as someone riding an SUV just to please his ego? Then the SUVs
> are not a problem and nothing is a problem and nothing gets done.

No! It's just the fact that there are way too many people already.
Do you think the traffic would be so bad if we hadn't gone from 200
million to 300 million in the states in just about 30 years? Now think
globally and how the multitudes of humans are 'taming the wilderness' to
make housing and farm fields and think of all the O2 recycling plants
being shut down (cutting down the rain forest, which may not grow back).
I think the effect of killing the the rain forests and everything else
on other continents will catch up to us sooner than the effect of SUVs.
>
> If you drive an SUV you are the symbol of pollution, though we may all
> pollute to different degrees. It's the ones that don't care and don't
> want to change, the ones guilty for pollution.

That is generally the over paid and snobbish non-cyclists, and I have
plenty of run ins with them on bike or in car. I got turned into a super
cautious type about a month ago when I got hit by an old man of about 70
driving a needlessly large quad cab pickup truck. We made eye contact, I
thought, and he pulled out from a stop sign just as I was crossing in
front of him. The truck was so big that my head was barely at hood
height and he could almost say that he thought I was clear when he
pulled out. The truck bed was hospital clean so I knew he didn't use it
for work, just driving. If he hadn't heard the bam/crunch I may have
been road kill. At that point pollution takes a back seat. Of course
maybe he didn't care about the results of pollution because he wouldn't
be here. This guy should have been driving a little 2 door hatchback but
the male macho attitudes around here dictate that he should drive a
man's truck.
It's a "Go figure" situation. I see plenty of 4 wheel drives around here
that have never seen mud and may not for their entire life. Again, male
one upmanship. Add the soccer moms and you have a mess.

And they go to Hell, I
> hope. Unless, of course, they write the story. They should buy one of
> these bumper stickers...
>
> Yep, that's a miracle indeed. I guess Jesus would have driven a
> Hummer. "By their deeds you shall know them."
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/product/128126522821097506
>
>
>
Maybe we should have a contest for the best thing to put on a bumper
sticker, like "I'm so lazy I drive to the mail box", corner store for
smokes, etc. I would be more than willing to carry some of these and
slap them on oversized and super shiny land yachts.
Start a new movement anyone?
Bill Baka
P.S.
Anybody can nit pick since I am not looking to win a writing contest.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <[email protected]>, Lee K wrote:
>
>"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> there is a
>> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.
>
>
>" While humanity's three billion
> tonnes (gigatonnes, or GT) per year net contribution to the
> atmosphere's CO2 load appears large on a human scale, it is actually
> less than half of 1% of the atmosphere's total CO2 content (750-830
> GT). The CO2 emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the
> 210 GT/year emissions of the gas from Earth's oceans and land.
> Perhaps even more significant is the fact that the uncertainty in the
> measurement of atmospheric CO2 content is 80 GT -- making three GT
> seem hardly worth mentioning."

Human activity is adding more like 25 gigatons of CO2 to the
atmosphere annually, just from burning of fossil fuels. The latest
figures are about 7 PgC, which is 7 petagrams of carbon annually, and
multiply that by 44/12 to get petagrams (gigatons) of CO2.

All the other carbon is just circulating around the biosphere,
hydrosphere and atmosphere. Burning of fossil fuels is adding carbon to
these at a rate of 7 gigatons of carbon, or 25 gigatons of CO2, per year.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Cosmopolite]

donquijote1954 wrote:
> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
> who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
> for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
> back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
> But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
> it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
> Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
> decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
> Napoleon himself...
>
> http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/J/Q/bush_napoleon.jpg
>
> (Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)
>
>
> HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY
>
> One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
> complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
> every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
> to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
> them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
> kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
> the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
> of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
> it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
> words...
>
> Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
> in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
> the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
> Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
> have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
> importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
> the quick way out of poverty..."
>
> And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
> the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
> to the effect of exploring life in other planets...
>
> ***
>
> PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
> awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
> likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
> conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
> new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
> door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
> approved, is to be released Friday.
>
> Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
> meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
> likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.
>
> The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
> human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
> try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
> means a 99 percent chance.
>
> The report is considered an authoritative document that could
> influence government and industrial policy worldwide.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40


And how much pollution does the manufacture, shipping and retailing
of a bycicle cause. Since you are using the internet, you are also to
blame for the pollution that computer manufacture etc. and power
production emitt.

In short, we are all in this TOGETHER.

 

[Leo Lichtman]

"donquijote1954" wrote: (CLIP) See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: (CLIP)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Answer a few questions:
1.) How does the LBS get its merchandise? Is there any fuel consumed in
the delivery?
2.) How does mail get to your house?
3.) Do you use electricity? How is it generated?
4.) How do the groceries get from the producer to the store?
....Need I go on?

 

[Lee K]

"Don Klipstein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Lee K wrote:
>>
>>"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> there is a
>>> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.
>>
>>
>>" While humanity's three billion
>> tonnes (gigatonnes, or GT) per year net contribution to the
>> atmosphere's CO2 load appears large on a human scale, it is actually
>> less than half of 1% of the atmosphere's total CO2 content (750-830
>> GT). The CO2 emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the
>> 210 GT/year emissions of the gas from Earth's oceans and land.
>> Perhaps even more significant is the fact that the uncertainty in the
>> measurement of atmospheric CO2 content is 80 GT -- making three GT
>> seem hardly worth mentioning."
>
> Human activity is adding more like 25 gigatons of CO2 to the
> atmosphere annually, just from burning of fossil fuels. The latest
> figures are about 7 PgC, which is 7 petagrams of carbon annually, and
> multiply that by 44/12 to get petagrams (gigatons) of CO2.
>
> All the other carbon is just circulating around the biosphere,
> hydrosphere and atmosphere. Burning of fossil fuels is adding carbon to
> these at a rate of 7 gigatons of carbon, or 25 gigatons of CO2, per year.
>
> - Don Klipstein ([email protected])

Credentialed scientists in the cited article differ with your take: "The CO2
emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the 210 GT/year emissions
of the gas from Earth's oceans and land."

 

[Joe Fischer]

On Thu, "Lee K" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Don Klipstein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> All the other carbon is just circulating around the biosphere,
>> hydrosphere and atmosphere. Burning of fossil fuels is adding carbon to
>> these at a rate of 7 gigatons of carbon, or 25 gigatons of CO2, per year.
>
>Credentialed scientists in the cited article differ with your take: "The CO2
>emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the 210 GT/year emissions
>of the gas from Earth's oceans and land."

An interesting article;

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...35a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&rfp=dta&p=4

Thanks for posting it, today NBC Nightly News had
a preview of the global warming report expected tomorrow,
as "very likely" something, at least they aren't as cocksure
as the amateur proponents.
And in opposition in flavor, they showed video of
cattle freezing and starving in the central US plains where
4 feet of snow fell in the last few weeks.

But more topical, I am watching a documentary
on George Washington Carver and all the soy and peanut
products he pioneered or invented, soy diesel and plastics
and even newspaper inks are replacing petroleum products,
and are renewable, even the Ford U car made of soy plastic
was surprise to me, even though I have known for 60 years
about soy plastics;

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=14047

Renewables allow ignoring the global warming
argument, renewables are the way to attack the problem,
wastefulness should be avoided, but CO2 allocations and
reductions in economic activity are not as effective.

Joe Fischer

 

[Logan Shaw]

donquijote1954 wrote:
> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.

Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.

- Logan

 

[Mauried]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:12:28 -0600, Logan Shaw
<[email protected]> wrote:

>donquijote1954 wrote:
>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
>> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
>> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
>Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
>electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
>thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.
>
> - Logan

It really doesnt matter whether mankind is or isnt causing global
warming because there simply is no solution to a global problem.
The world is comprised of some 190 countries all with their own
Governments who will all do their own thing and there will be no
agreement about what should be done, ever.
The world has no mechanism for solving a global problem.
How is anyone going to stop a country like China from building its
500 coal fired power stations.

 

[just another biker]

On Feb 2, 1:16 am, [email protected] (Mauried) wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:12:28 -0600, Logan Shaw
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >donquijote1954 wrote:
> >> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> >> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> >> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
> >Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
> >electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
> >thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.
>
> > - Logan
>
> It really doesnt matter whether mankind is or isnt causing global
> warming because there simply is no solution to a global problem.
> The world is comprised of some 190 countries all with their own
> Governments who will all do their own thing and there will be no
> agreement about what should be done, ever.
> The world has no mechanism for solving a global problem.
> How is anyone going to stop a country like China from building its
> 500 coal fired power stations.

personal transportation is one thing, but generation of power for air
conditioning, computers, display lighting could be seen as over the
top. shipping products worldwide instead of buying what is produced
locally also creates much pollution.
we can talk to people around the world but have in many places
isolated ourselves from our neighbors. people live in fear of what's
just outside their door and now children are driven everywhere for
protection, the sense of community has just about disappeared in many
places. when i think about all of the bike things i've had shipped to
and fro, even as a daily bike commuter i'm a bit ashamed.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 1, 6:53 pm, Cosmopolite <[email protected]> wrote:
> > THE BANANA REVOLUTION
> >http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
>
> And how much pollution does the manufacture, shipping and retailing
> of a bycicle cause. Since you are using the internet, you are also to
> blame for the pollution that computer manufacture etc. and power
> production emitt.
>
> In short, we are all in this TOGETHER. - Hide quoted text -

NO, NO and NO. I'm a frugal monkey (notice the group above called
"frugal-living"), not a hungry lion. Monkeys are COOPERATIVE and
perhaps there is the most room for frugality.

Here's some pep talk for the revolution coming soon...

Continuing with the coops, here are some good reasons why many people
would join them if given the choice...

"Most people are living on Kibbutz Arava for two reasons: 1.) to be
able to work for themselves [no politician, no bureaucrat, no boss, in
other words, no lion], and 2.) to be able to raise their children in a
safe and comfortable environment [in other words, no jungle]. In a
world whose cities are increasingly becoming more polarized and
violent, these basic wants/needs are synonymous with life on a
kibbutz.

Internally, Kibbutz Arava functions rather communally and
ecologically. There is a central dining room and commons area. Food
that is eaten in the dining room arrives as bulk, wholesale crates,
thus eliminating retail wastes such as packaging and plastic wrappers.
The kibbutz is a pedestrian community. People are able to walk and
ride their bikes to any kibbutz activity. In fact, there are only five
leisure cars available for the 130 adult members. On kibbutz, people
don't throw much away. When things break, they are fixed either by the
garage, carpentry shop, or laundry. Things are not easily thrown away,
as items are scarce. There are public commodities, such as a coffee
and tea lounge, a pool, an entertainment area, a computer and fax
room, a music studio, and a horse stable. By offering these amenities,
the kibbutz eliminates the need for everyone to have their own TV,
computer, etc [no consumerism, which feeds the lion]."

kibbutz... http://www.objectsspace.com/encyclopedia/index.php/Kibbutz

 

[donquijote1954]

Leo Lichtman wrote:
> "donquijote1954" wrote: (CLIP) See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: (CLIP)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Answer a few questions:
> 1.) How does the LBS get its merchandise? Is there any fuel consumed in
> the delivery?
> 2.) How does mail get to your house?
> 3.) Do you use electricity? How is it generated?
> 4.) How do the groceries get from the producer to the store?
> ...Need I go on?

OK, let's create a scale, in which, say, I'm a 5 and the SUV gas-
guzzlers are a 10 (the perfect polluter), then I would be ready to
move down perhaps to a 3, provided I'm safe to go out and ride my
bike. And then perhaps I would need a kibbutz coop and reduce my need
to a 1 (0 is when you die).

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Feb 1, 12:19 pm, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
> who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
> for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
> back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.

So how do you get around? If you don't use a bicycle or auto? Do you
walk? Do you have shoes? Clothes?
Does your abode have electricity? Does your bicycle have rubber parts?
and how do ya suppose those things was made? Do you think it was made
offshore by a CO2 nuetral company, In CHINA.....unlikely. So you do
add to the problem, less than some, but you still do..rest of crappola
snipped.

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Feb 1, 1:59 pm, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:54 pm, Bill Baka <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > donquijote1954 wrote:
> > > Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> > > humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> > > Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
> > Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
> > CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
> > If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
> > vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
> > makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.
>
> You are telling me that someone commuting by bike pollutes nearly as
> much as someone riding an SUV just to please his ego? Then the SUVs
> are not a problem and nothing is a problem and nothing gets done.
>
> If you drive an SUV you are the symbol of pollution, though we may all
> pollute to different degrees. It's the ones that don't care and don't
> want to change, the ones guilty for pollution. And they go to Hell, I
> hope.

God doesn't care if you drive a car or ride a bicycle. Less polluting
vehicles do not put you on any sort of good karma list.


Unless, of course, they write the story. They should buy one of
> these bumper stickers...
>
> Yep, that's a miracle indeed. I guess Jesus would have driven a
> Hummer. "By their deeds you shall know them."
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/product/128126522821097506

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 2, 4:16 am, [email protected] (Mauried) wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:12:28 -0600, Logan Shaw
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >donquijote1954 wrote:
> >> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> >> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> >> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>
> >Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
> >electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
> >thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.
>
> > - Logan
>
> It really doesnt matter whether mankind is or isnt causing global
> warming because there simply is no solution to a global problem.
> The world is comprised of some 190 countries all with their own
> Governments who will all do their own thing and there will be no
> agreement about what should be done, ever.
> The world has no mechanism for solving a global problem.
> How is anyone going to stop a country like China from building its
> 500 coal fired power stations.

You said best. There's one hope though: THE REVOLUTION (coming
soon)...

WORLD REVOLUTION
"The World Revolution is an idea for a new, global activist social
movement for progressive social change. It aims to resolve in a
definitive and comprehensive manner the major social problems of our
world and our era. Major issue areas of the World Revolution include:
peace, human rights, the environment, and world poverty." http://
www.worldrevolution.org/

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!
You may have liked what you read above and decided to join in such an
effort or any other effort to change the world --for the better, of
course, because you want change that's NONVIOLENT AND DEMOCRATIC. Thus
you are part of the solution and not part of the problem. However, if
you wished for something truly different, appealing to the pleasures
of life, in a shorter time frame, because you want to live it, then
look no further and 'feel' and 'taste' our EPICUREAN REVOLUTION.*
Welcome to the 'BANANA REVOLUTION,' which attacks top-down politics by
being irreverent of power, requiring the participation of the
individual and proposing a simple yet satisfying lifestyle... WE ARE
THE REVOLUTION; WE CAN HAVE THE GOOD LIFE, HERE AND NOW. Well, it's
also very funny and sexy to make it more appetizing.

Please see http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

On Feb 2, 6:46 am, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Leo Lichtman wrote:
> > "donquijote1954" wrote: (CLIP) See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: (CLIP)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Answer a few questions:
> > 1.) How does the LBS get its merchandise? Is there any fuel consumed in
> > the delivery?
> > 2.) How does mail get to your house?
> > 3.) Do you use electricity? How is it generated?
> > 4.) How do the groceries get from the producer to the store?
> > ...Need I go on?
>
> OK, let's create a scale, in which, say, I'm a 5 and the SUV gas-
> guzzlers are a 10 (the perfect polluter), then I would be ready to
> move down perhaps to a 3, provided I'm safe to go out and ride my
> bike. And then perhaps I would need a kibbutz coop and reduce my need
> to a 1 (0 is when you die).

You wrote-"Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is
who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE:"

Yes they do all pollute, you do too.