jim beam wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> >>>>> Geezzz, another 24 inches of snow yesterday, and over 100 responses to
> >>>>> my 'OMG, another $1000 wheelset that does what?' thread....BUT
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The test sings the praises of these, so I, once more, remind myself
> >>>>> that I really love to wrench, ya know, work on bicycles, build wheels
> >>>>> but I really don't like to 'sell'. Ya know, look somebody right in the
> >>>>> eye and either 'make a promise' about some gadget or another, or tell
> >>>>> him why the person down the streeet shouldn't have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I really liked the gig of JB, when he was at Excel, after leaving 'High
> >>>>> Wheeler'..he sat behind the 'titanium curtain' and just did the
> >>>>> wrenching, the building. Didn't have to 'take a stand' on anything,
> >>>>> sell anything..great job.
> >>>>>
> >>>> but you've been in a position where you've had to trust the engineers
> >>>> that built your planes didn't you? [presumably you didn't design and
> >>>> build yourself.] what's changed?
> >>> I don't think the marketing-types had much input into the final form of
> >>> the F-16. I think that is what Peter objects to: the undue influence of
> >>> marketeers in today's cycling products and the reams of specious BS
> >>> that are a byproduct of that.
> >>>
> >> you have a good point [although you might be surprised about the sales
> >> efforts behind /any/ plane]. but how much experience and knowhow does
> >> it take to filter that? marketing is a fact of life. deal with it.
> >> ask questions. the only kicker is when the sales droids outright lie,
> >> but even then, if you know what you're about, you can filter that too.
> >> the sales droid for my car was a lying asshole, but the car's great!
> >
> > My point. After 2 decades of it, I'm tired of it. Tired of 'justifying'
> > my position when the 'droid' down the street tells somebody how amazing
> > that piece of carbon on the rear of that aluminum frame is.
> >
> you need a good long sabbatical! come back refreshed.
>
> you're not in competition with the droids peter - the service you offer
> is 180 to them. that's your strength - play to it.
I know, why I like JBs gig...I love to wrench, how this thread started,
we do great just tired of 'but I can get 7 spoke wonderwheel on the
internet and the guy 1/2 a block away said it meant I could get to Ward
and get laid on the same day...and did I mention my roses will bloom?',
type ****.