Hypothetical car-bike interaction

[Pete]

"Rick Onanian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:06:47 -0400, "Matt O'Toole"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Rick Onanian wrote:
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> To one-up that, Australia has drive-through liquor stores!
> >> These exist in the US, too, at least in Massachusetts.
> >
> >I'll have a look when I'm up there tomorrow. Is that what they call a
"packie?"
>
> I've never heard that term, but I'll assume that it's short for
> "package store". For the life of me, I can't understand why liquor
> stores are called "package stores", but I guess it's a regional
> thing.

It may be a military derived thing. They're still called 'package stores' or
Class VI at mil bases stores all over the world.

http://www.yourdictionary.net/package_store.html
"1. package store, liquor store, off-licence -- a store that sells alcoholic
beverages for consumption elsewhere"

- packaged to drink elsewhere, instead of drinking it here.

> I live in Rhode Island, where I _haven't_ seen any
> drive-through liquor stores (or "packies").

Here in SW Ohio, there are quite a few drive thru's and drive ups. Some gas
stations have a drive up window.

I could probably count 3 or 4 within a couple of miles.

Pete

 

[Denver C. Fox]

>Cities are starting to talk about printing names of people arrested for
>solicitation. Prior to conviction

They are printed, and pictures are posted in Aurora, CO upon arrest


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[Eric S. Sande]

>Anybody care to explain the odd term for such stores?

Local ordinances often forbid the carrying of alcoholic beverages on
a "to go" basis openly, they must be "packaged", e. g. carried in brown
paper bags, etc.

Hence a "package store" sells ABs for consumption off premise.

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[Curtis L. Russell]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:54:32 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I've never heard that term, but I'll assume that it's short for
>"package store". For the life of me, I can't understand why liquor
>stores are called "package stores", but I guess it's a regional
>thing. I live in Rhode Island, where I _haven't_ seen any
>drive-through liquor stores (or "packies").
>
>Anybody care to explain the odd term for such stores?

My understanding of the term is that it applied at least originally to
stores that had off-premise liquor sales only, therefore everything
left in a package - no bottles or drinks sold for consumption on
premises.

Drive throughs IMO are a small subset of package stores. In North
Carolina I was at a real drivethrough - you never had to leave your
car and you drove through the middle of what looked like a converted
car wash. There was a place in Maryland that once sold driveup - you
pulled up to a window and never left your car. They stopped the
service for liability reasons according to the restaurant manager.

Interestingly, there seems to be some support for open containers in
vehicles, at least in areas that have a lot of heavy drinkers. IIRC, a
study in Wyoming (where some liquor stores don't bother to carry
fifths) indicated that no open containers meant that the heavy
drinkers simply consumed more before they began driving and drove
drunker than if they could have an open container. Seemed like
something that Seagrams would have paid for...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[DRS]

"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> DRS wrote:
>> "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> DRS wrote:
>>>> "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> have a great deterrent, too -- they print your name in the paper
>>>>> when you're arrested for drunk driving, in a column called "Drunk
>>>>> and In Jail." I'm not kidding.
>>>>
>>>> In which state is that? Not in the one in which I live.
>>>
>>> NSW, circa 1980, when they first started doing it. My friend in
>>> Queensland says they still do.
>>
>> We don't do it in Victoria and my guess would be most states don't do
>> it either.
>
> It would never fly here (US), that's for sure -- innocent until
> proven guilty, and all that.

Given the lack of sub judice rules in US jurisprudence and the subsequent
'trial by public' shenanigans by all concerned that would get them
imprisoned here on contempt of court charges, I find the irony in your
contention almost unbearable. All marked Australian police vehicles carry
portable breathalyzers, there's none of this sobriety test rubbish. Those
who were named failed the breathalyzer. If they truly want to challenge it
in court they are entitled to have blood tests done by both a police doctor
and their own, but few bother since the breathalyzers are ordinarily very
accurate. So they are in fact no more "innocent until proven' guilty than
someone who was booked for speeding or somesuch - it doesn't apply unless
they challenge it in court.

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[loki]

"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> DRS wrote:
> > "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> >> DRS wrote:
> >>> "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]
> >>> [...]
> >>>> have a great deterrent, too -- they print your name in the paper
> >>>> when you're arrested for drunk driving, in a column called "Drunk
> >>>> and In Jail." I'm not kidding.
> >>>
> >>> In which state is that? Not in the one in which I live.
> >>
> >> NSW, circa 1980, when they first started doing it. My friend in
> >> Queensland says they still do.
> >
> > We don't do it in Victoria and my guess would be most states don't do
> > it either.
>
> It would never fly here (US), that's for sure -- innocent until proven
guilty,
> and all that.

Kobe Bryant, Phil Specter, Michael Jackson and Robert Blake would be
interested to know that their arrests cannot be reported in the media as
they have not yet been convicted.

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[Tom Beattie]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:06:47 -0400, "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Rick Onanian wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:33:42 -0400, "Matt O'Toole"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> To one-up that, Australia has drive-through liquor stores!
>>
>> These exist in the US, too, at least in Massachusetts.
>
>I'll have a look when I'm up there tomorrow. Is that what they call a "packie?"
>
>Matt O.
>
In RI, there's one in Hoxsie. You order at a window and someone
brings it outside for you.
Been that way for awhile.
TomB

 

[Mike Kruger]

"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>>> have a great deterrent, too -- they print your name in the paper
> >>>> when you're arrested for drunk driving, in a column called "Drunk
> >>>> and In Jail." I'm not kidding.
> >>>
>
> It would never fly here (US), that's for sure -- innocent until proven
guilty,
> and all that.
>
They do it in our local newspaper (a Pioneer Press newspaper, near Chicago).

It doesn't have a nice colorful name, but under "police blotter" there are
names and addresses of people who were arrested for various offenses,
including drunk driving.

These people are still innocent, but their arrest is a matter of public
record and can be publicized.