I CAN'T HEAR YOU????



"no posessions" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Talmud. Jesus. Religion.
>
> It comes from god.

Perhaps *if* there's a supposed God, Jesus came from that supposed God.

But most religions are man made. Or astronaut (from another planet) made (the most likely scenerio.)

Stan
 
"Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Talmud is The Plan to Take Over The World and enslave all gentiles...

Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of that religion, not the gentiles.

BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I was a (born) Jew(ish) in Salt
Lake City.)

Stan
 
In article <[email protected]>, Carrie Smattick <[email protected]> wrote:

> THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD Judaism's Holiest Book by Michael A. Hoffman II and Alan R. Critchley

Riiight. Written by holocaust denial "historical revisionists". Why am *I* not surprised?
 
"squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:MB2yb.153055$Dw6.617454@attbi_s02...
> "> When the Palistinian's called for the destruction of Israel in their
> > constitution - that's a declaration of war."
>
>
> but they have little political, economic or military power to conduct war effectively, hence they
> choose terrorism. ...

DUH!!!!

So Israel defends itself from the war/terrorism, sometimes taking the offense.

I don't have a problem with that at all.

Stan
 
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Allow me to just say something. The fact of the matter is no one can prove there is no God. There
are signs and clues and to some they are clear, to others they are not. People nowadays widely
accept that there is no God and offer evolution as the explanation to many questions posed by a
godless universe. However, they do not realize that evolution is a theory and remains one till this
day. No compelling evidence for it. The "facts" cited in its favor are flawed and skewed. The theory
does offer an easy way out for ppl and, in my opinion, this is why it was widely accepted. It all
boils down to one's willingness to research each view and to come up with their conclusion based on
educated judgment. Simply saying "I am right you are wrong" will not lead anywhere and will only
serve to waste time. I really believe that before anyone would take it upon themselves to claim to
know the truth and to present what are mere opinions and speculations as fact, they should try to
humbly accept that they are not all-knowing and should do some homework before engaging in public
discussions about a very important issue. I for one believe that God created us all and created this
universe with all its wonders and beauty. I think one should just meditate over the amazing things
we see around us and take for granted. In everything in this universe there are signs to His majesty
and glory. By all this I am not trying to offend any of the parties here, and if I did it is
unintentional and I give my apology. I did not follow the thread from the beginning also. So maybe
what I just wrote may seem out of context, and maybe not! Simply my 2 cents. Thanks

"MIDIcian" (tm) wrote:

>"no posessions" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>Talmud. Jesus. Religion.
>>
>>It comes from god.
>>
>>
>
>Perhaps *if* there's a supposed God, Jesus came from that supposed God.
>
>But most religions are man made. Or astronaut (from another planet) made (the most likely
>scenerio.)
>
>
>Stan
>
>
>
>

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text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Allow me to just say something. <br> The fact of the matter is no
one can prove there is no God. There are signs and clues and to some they are clear, to others they
are not. People nowadays widely accept that there is no God and offer evolution as the explanation
to many questions posed by a godless universe. However, they do not realize that evolution is a
theory and remains one till this day. No compelling evidence for it. The "facts" cited in its favor
are flawed and skewed. The theory does offer an easy way out for ppl and, in my opinion, this is why
it was widely accepted. <br> It all boils down to one's willingness to research each view and to
come up with their conclusion based on educated judgment. Simply saying "I am right you are wrong"
will not lead anywhere and will only serve to waste time. I really believe that before anyone would
take it upon themselves to claim to know the truth and to present what are mere opinions and
speculations as fact, they should try to humbly accept that they are not all-knowing and should do
some homework before engaging in public discussions about a very important issue. <br> I for one
believe that God created us all and created this universe with all its wonders and beauty. I think
one should just meditate over the amazing things we see around us and take for granted. In
everything in this universe there are signs to His majesty and glory.<br> By all this I am not
trying to offend any of the parties here, and if I did it is unintentional and I give my apology. I
did not follow the thread from the beginning also. So maybe what I just wrote may seem out of
context, and maybe not!<br> Simply my 2 cents.<br> Thanks<br> <br> "MIDIcian" (tm) wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="[email protected]"> <pre wrap="">"no posessions" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>
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type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Talmud. Jesus. Religion.

It comes from god. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Perhaps *if* there's a supposed God,
Jesus came from that supposed God.

But most religions are man made. Or astronaut (from another planet) made (the most likely scenerio.)

Stan

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A descendent of Karl Marx, no doubt..

DAS
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[...........]>
> Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of that religion, not the
> gentiles.
>
> BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I was a (born) Jew(ish) in Salt
> Lake City.)
>
>
> Stan
 
""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:MB2yb.153055$Dw6.617454@attbi_s02...
> > "> When the Palistinian's called for the destruction of Israel in their
> > > constitution - that's a declaration of war."
> >
> >
> > but they have little political, economic or military power to conduct
war
> > effectively, hence they choose terrorism. ...
>
> DUH!!!!
>
> So Israel defends itself from the war/terrorism, sometimes taking the offense.
>
> I don't have a problem with that at all.
>
>
> Stan
>
OK, you make your position clear Stan.

If the USA government compelled you to leave your home, and similarly, hundreds of thousands of
your friends and family were compelled to give up ownership of their homes to American Indian
aboriginals. Furthermore, the poorest of your friends are re-located to refugee camps in the
Baja desert of Mexico. What reaction and consequences might I expect from you and your friends
and family?

Furthermore, I would suggest to you that if the USA confiscated the property of conquered German and
Japanese citizens/bsuinesses after WWII, and then continually abused property rights, limited
commercial/trade rights, could withhold their taxes from German/Japanese goverments at whim, more
than a few terrorist bombs and bullets would be flying our way courtesy of Japan and Germany. Unlike
Isreal, our enemies of 1948 are our friends, allies and trading partners today. I see Isreal's
inability to make peace with former combatants, as a national failing, and a sign of Isreal's basic
immaturity. It's about time we stop spoiling Isreal like a teenager, and send them out into the
world on their own. So defend away, fan the flames, strut proudly in your own self rightousness,
sleep with daggers under your pillows, AK's under your bed, and sweat every bus ride. Maybe you can
kick enough dogs, enough dogs often enough, enough dogs hard enough, that all the dogs will stop
snarling and trying to bite your head legs and head off, just dont expect Mommy and Daddy (that's
USA) to bail you out with guns and money, OK?

P.S. You live in the middle of a dog pound.

Cheers
 
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"Imad Al-Ghouleh" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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> Allow me to just say something.=20

I'm certainly not trying to stop you from sayinig something.

> The fact of the matter is no one can prove there is no God. ...

Red-herring.

> I for one believe that God ...

What (supposed) God???? I'm all ears.

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Maybe Groucho????

Stan Rosenthal, www.thesequencers.us +- +- +- +- "Oh how can you be in two places at once when
you're not anywhere at all" - Firesign +- +- +- +- "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> A descendent of Karl Marx, no doubt..
>
> DAS
> --
> ---
> NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> ---
> ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> [...........]>
> > Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of that religion, not the
> > gentiles.
> >
> > BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I was a (born) Jew(ish) in Salt
> > Lake City.)
> >
> >
> > Stan
> >
>
 
In article <c3Tyb.387150$Tr4.1132591@attbi_s03>, squirrely wrote:
>
> trading partners today. I see Isreal's inability to make peace with former combatants, as a
> national failing, and a sign of Isreal's basic immaturity.

Israel did indeed make peace with Jordan and Egypt.

Perhaps you would care to name the nations that have good relations with the Palestinians.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
I have to take issue with you. You accuse Israel of being unable to make peace with it's former
enemies. Sorry mate, but you're talking bolllocks. Israel has made peace with Egypt, Jordan,
Morocco, and a number of other Arab/Islamic nations. It cannot make peace with the Palestinians,
because the Palestinians cannot make peace amongst themselves, and decide what they want. As for
taking territory, I repeat my earlier comments: The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, in the attempt to
wipe them out. This was repeated in 1956 and 1973. Each time, they got their asses spanked and lost
territory as a result. The territory was spoils of war. It's like a game of poker, when you have
lost your shirt, and then start crying that it isn't fair. This is the reality. Harry

"squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:c3Tyb.387150$Tr4.1132591@attbi_s03...
>
> ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > "squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:MB2yb.153055$Dw6.617454@attbi_s02...
> > > "> When the Palistinian's called for the destruction of Israel in
their
> > > > constitution - that's a declaration of war."
> > >
> > >
> > > but they have little political, economic or military power to conduct
> war
> > > effectively, hence they choose terrorism. ...
> >
> > DUH!!!!
> >
> > So Israel defends itself from the war/terrorism, sometimes taking the offense.
> >
> > I don't have a problem with that at all.
> >
> >
> > Stan
> >
> OK, you make your position clear Stan.
>
> If the USA government compelled you to leave your home, and similarly, hundreds of thousands of
> your friends and family were compelled to give up ownership of their homes to American Indian
> aboriginals. Furthermore, the poorest of your friends are re-located to refugee camps in the
> Baja desert of Mexico. What reaction and consequences might I expect from you and your friends
> and family?
>
> Furthermore, I would suggest to you that if the USA confiscated the
property
> of conquered German and Japanese citizens/bsuinesses after WWII, and then continually abused
> property rights, limited commercial/trade rights, could withhold their taxes from German/Japanese
> goverments at whim, more than a few terrorist bombs and bullets would be flying our way courtesy
> of Japan and Germany. Unlike Isreal, our enemies of 1948 are our friends, allies
and
> trading partners today. I see Isreal's inability to make peace with former combatants, as a
> national failing, and a sign of Isreal's basic
immaturity.
> It's about time we stop spoiling Isreal like a teenager, and send them out into the world on their
> own. So defend away, fan the flames, strut proudly in your own self rightousness, sleep with
> daggers under your pillows, AK's under your bed, and sweat every bus ride. Maybe you can kick
> enough dogs, enough dogs often enough, enough dogs hard enough, that all the dogs will stop
> snarling and trying to bite your head legs and head off, just dont expect Mommy and Daddy (that's
> USA) to bail you out with guns and money,
OK?
>
> P.S. You live in the middle of a dog pound.
>
> Cheers
 
No, Karl, as he held the view you mentioned about religion.

DAS
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> Maybe Groucho????
[..............]

> "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A descendent of Karl Marx, no doubt..
> >
> > DAS
> > --
> > ---
> > NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> > ---
> > ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > [...........]>
> > > Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of
that
> > > religion, not the gentiles.
> > >
> > > BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I was
a
> > > (born) Jew(ish) in Salt Lake City.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan
 
"Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I have to take issue with you. You accuse Israel of being unable to make peace with it's former
> enemies. Sorry mate, but you're talking bolllocks. Israel has made peace with
Egypt,
> Jordan, Morocco, and a number of other Arab/Islamic nations. It cannot make peace with the
> Palestinians, because the Palestinians
cannot
> make peace amongst themselves, and decide what they want. As for taking territory, I repeat my
> earlier comments: The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, in the attempt to wipe them out. This
was
> repeated in 1956 and 1973. Each time, they got their asses spanked and
lost
> territory as a result. The territory was spoils of war. It's like a game
of
> poker, when you have lost your shirt, and then start crying that it isn't fair. This is the
> reality. Harry

There's that old saying, isn't there - "All's fair in love and war".

Stan, www.thesequencers.us/Camel 'Just good-ol' Country girls and boys "getting" 'Down On The
Farm'' - ????
 
Dear Donovan

> Israel did indeed make peace with Jordan and Egypt.

A fair point -

but also fair to say that Egypt and Jordan don't have as much skin in the game as Palestinians.

I think my metaphor of the American Indian is a fair one though. Our European forefathers generally
treated the Indians unjustly, a fact most reasonable Americans acknowledge and regret. It was
actually disingenuous of early USA citizens to be surprised by Indian acts of terrorism. Of course
early American solution then is Stan's solution today> extermination, re-location. My strong
suspicion is that if the shoe were on the other foot, Stan would be a terrorist - or at least a
terrorist leader.

Maybe extermination will work Stan, maybe not. Palestinian's are not as isolated as the American
Indian of the 1800's. Heck, some Palestinians own American gas stations in my neighborhood! Lots of
Arabs in the Middle East too. Americans, Chinese and Japanese (largest oil consumers) need Arab oil
more than we need Israeli ????? oranges?? military intelligence please . . .

educate me Donovan: by implication you think Israel and Egypt/Jordan have good relations. I'll let
that ride. You also ask what countries Palestine has good relations with? Other than the USA, what
countries does Israel have a great relationship with? Let's face it, Egypt/Jordan would throw
Israel under the bus for any pretty girl in a short skirt.

Your initial point is a good one though, I under-stated Israel's maturity. Israel is not a teenager,
still young 20's though, full of thousands of Stan's with hormones, righteous rage, and bluster.
Time to make your way on your own though.

Cheers

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <c3Tyb.387150$Tr4.1132591@attbi_s03>, squirrely wrote:
> >
> > trading partners today. I see Isreal's inability to make peace with
former
> > combatants, as a national failing, and a sign of Isreal's basic
immaturity.
>
> Israel did indeed make peace with Jordan and Egypt.
>
> Perhaps you would care to name the nations that have good relations with
the
> Palestinians.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
What view was that???? +- +- +- +- "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No, Karl, as he held the view you mentioned about religion.
>
> DAS
> --
> ---
> NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> ---
> ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> > Maybe Groucho????
> [..............]
>
> > "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > A descendent of Karl Marx, no doubt..
> > >
> > > DAS
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> > > ---
> > > ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > [...........]>
> > > > Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of
> that
> > > > religion, not the gentiles.
> > > >
> > > > BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I
was
> a
> > > > (born) Jew(ish) in Salt Lake City.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stan
>
 
That says it all Stan

""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > I have to take issue with you. You accuse Israel of being unable to make peace with it's former
enemies.
> > Sorry mate, but you're talking bolllocks. Israel has made peace with
> Egypt,
> > Jordan, Morocco, and a number of other Arab/Islamic nations. It cannot make peace with the
> > Palestinians, because the Palestinians
> cannot
> > make peace amongst themselves, and decide what they want. As for taking territory, I repeat my
> > earlier comments: The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, in the attempt to wipe them out. This
> was
> > repeated in 1956 and 1973. Each time, they got their asses spanked and
> lost
> > territory as a result. The territory was spoils of war. It's like a game
> of
> > poker, when you have lost your shirt, and then start crying that it
isn't
> > fair. This is the reality. Harry
>
> There's that old saying, isn't there - "All's fair in love and war".
>
>
> Stan, www.thesequencers.us/Camel 'Just good-ol' Country girls and boys "getting" 'Down On The
> Farm'' - ????
 
"squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:IFyzb.216650$Dw6.791555@attbi_s02...
> Of course early American solution then is Stan's solution today> extermination, re-location. My
> strong suspicion is that if the shoe were on the other
foot,
> Stan would be a terrorist - or at least a terrorist leader.

Straw man(s).

> Maybe extermination will work Stan, maybe not.

Straw man.

Your "Close, Personal Friend",

Stan, www.thesequencers.us nl: Lynryd Skynyrd on Rockline!!!!
 
Did you not post:

"...religious text is normally written to enslave the people of that religion..."?

"Religion is the opium of the people", and all that stuff...

DAS
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> What view was that???? +- +- +- +- "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > No, Karl, as he held the view you mentioned about religion.
> >
> > DAS
> > --
> > ---
> > NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> > ---
> > ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Maybe Groucho????
> > [..............]
> >
> > > "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > A descendent of Karl Marx, no doubt..
> > > >
> > > > DAS
> > > > --
> > > > ---
> > > > NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
> > > > ---
> > > > ""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > [...........]>
> > > > > Sorry, religious text is normally written to enslave the people of
> > that
> > > > > religion, not the gentiles.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW: I was a gentile and I wasn't a gentile (at the same time. I
> was
> > a
> > > > > (born) Jew(ish) in Salt Lake City.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stan
> > >
> >
>
 
""MIDIcian" (tm)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "squirrely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IFyzb.216650$Dw6.791555@attbi_s02...
> > Of course early American solution then is Stan's solution today> extermination, re-location. My
> > strong suspicion is that if the shoe were on the other
> foot,
> > Stan would be a terrorist - or at least a terrorist leader.
>
> Straw man(s).
>
>
> > Maybe extermination will work Stan, maybe not.

Stan, here you are espousing extermination below, and you claim I'm making a Straw man argument???
call me slow, but I don't get it?

From your prior message If the US withheld it's support, Israel would be forced to wipe out all the
Palestinians in (what is called) Palestine (these days) and retake Israels land.

Stan

>
> Straw man.
>
>
> Your "Close, Personal Friend",
>
>
> Stan, www.thesequencers.us nl: Lynryd Skynyrd on Rockline!!!!