I hate Harley Davidson!

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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-- Have to dispose of two vehicles, instead of one, at the end of their useful lives...and
believe me, you get a lot more mileage out of a vehicle than you do years, so one vehicle ==
less waste.

I have put less than 5,000 miles per year on both my car and truck. I just don't drive
them very far.

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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la dee da.

I frequently carry home junkers with my bicycle. I've even taken two at once. Fridges? Don't need
no steenkin' truck for that either, hero.

BFD

Okay, as an alternative to the thread that's been going on and on and on...

<rant on> HD provides excellent customer service and care.

HD produces an excellent product. If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and sell it 5 years from now
for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with your run of the mill car). In 10 years, you'll
probably be able to sell it for more than you paid for it. Furthermore, I've found their bikes to be
comfortable, highly customizable, and capable of surviving the abuse of a new rider who didn't have
a clue about what he (me) was doing.

If you don't like the way some HD customers use their bikes, I can agree with that. Most of the HD
riders I know, and I know many, are very friendly, decent people - the type of folks you'd want to
have as neighbors. <rant off>

Have a great weekend. Personally, I'm looking forward to a couple of hours cycling in Birds Hill
Park tomorrow, against the wind and up hill all the way.

Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:35:48 -0500, <[email hidden]>, dweeboid, "Mark Jones"
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"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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la dee da.

I frequently carry home junkers with my bicycle. I've even taken two at once. Fridges? Don't need
no steenkin' truck for that either, hero.

BFD

I regularly carry a more useful loads with my bike than you've ever moved in your plastic chebby.
--
zk

Mark Jones said:

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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-- Have to dispose of two vehicles, instead of one, at the end of their useful lives...and
believe me, you get a lot more mileage out of a vehicle than you do years, so one vehicle ==
less waste.

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I have put less than 5,000 miles per year on both my car and truck. I just don't drive them
very far.

Eliminating one of those vehicles would save you a lot of money, and would save environmentalists a
lot of heartache. I'm guessing that you only drive when you need to carry a lot of people (car) or
when you need to carry bulky stuff (truck), and can't get rid of either because the truck doesn't
have a backseat.

--
Rick Onanian

Jeff said:

Okay, as an alternative to the thread that's been going on and on and on...

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If you don't like the way some HD customers use their bikes, I can agree with that. Most of the HD
riders I know, and I know many, are very friendly, decent people - the type of folks you'd want to
have as neighbors. <rant off>

Have a great weekend. Personally, I'm looking forward to a couple of hours cycling in Birds Hill
Park tomorrow, against the wind and up hill all the way.

Harley's are for fat, old men who are too lazy to pedal.

G

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Eliminating one of those vehicles would save you a lot of money, and would save environmentalists
a lot of heartache. I'm guessing that you only drive when you need to carry a lot of people (car)
or when you need to carry bulky stuff (truck), and can't get rid of either because the truck
doesn't have a backseat.

Wrong on all points. I drive the truck a lot more than I do the car. The car is a Corvette with only
two bucket seats. Not going to haul much with it. The Corvette gets driven about 2,000 miles a year
and is something that I intend to have for many more years.

Most of the time I drive the truck as my standard means of getting around. I don't put enough miles
on it in a year for it to much of an environmental factor. It is rated as a low emission vehicle
with its V6 motor.

The truck has two small seats in the back, but I have no need to haul people around so this is
not a factor.

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:35:48 -0500, <[email hidden]>, dweeboid, "Mark Jones"
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"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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la dee da.

I frequently carry home junkers with my bicycle. I've even taken two at once. Fridges? Don't
need no steenkin' truck for that either, hero.

BFD

I regularly carry a more useful loads with my bike than you've ever moved in your plastic chebby.

I have had the hatch area fully loaded on several occasions. This is normally done when I drive a
long distance on vacation. People are usually surprised at how much cargo capacity there is in the
back of one of these cars.

Have you ever hauled two weeks worth of groceries home on your bicycle? My car can easily hold this
much cargo.

I don't need to haul heavy loads in my car as I can use my 4x4 truck for this. If I saw someone
trying to haul a heavy load behind a bicycle, I would think that the person was either a nut or a
cheapskate.

My two bicycles are about having fun and not about using them as primary transportation. I would
never want to be without a truck after owning one for three years.

Mark Jones said:

Wrong on all points. I drive the truck a lot more than I do the car. The car is a Corvette with
only two bucket seats. Not going to haul much with it. The Corvette gets driven about 2,000 miles
a year and is something that I intend to have for many more years.

That is an entirely different case. You said before that you have a "car and a truck", not a
"Corvette and a truck". A Corvette is not a matter of conflict with having another vehicle; a
Corvette is not a daily-use vehicle.

I wish I had a Corvette.

Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.

--
Rick Onanian

I am a fat old man on crack and I will whip your ass [censored]!

Give me a call - 760 518 2493 - WIld BILL CRACK HEAD!!

Sat, 09 Aug 2003 14:30:59 -0400, <[email hidden]>, Rick Onanian

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Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.

Yeah, but then you'd have to wear a mullet or people would think you stole the car.
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zk

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I wish I had a Corvette.

Hell, I'd settle for a Camaro.

I have had a Camaro and a Trans/Am. The Corvette is so much better that it is had to imagine.

Russ Price said:

[censored] Durbin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.

Funny thing is, I've never had Harley riders hassle me on the road. Indeed, the Harley types are
the most likely to wave or give the thumbs-up sign [1] of all motor vehicle operators I've
encountered.

Then again, I ride a recumbent, so the "outlaw" factor probably comes into play.

I once pulled up to a light beside the classic Harley, with the oversized dude in leathers and the
biker chick on back. My wife and I were on our hot-cranberry tandem, resplendent in our lycra.

My wife looks over at the hog, and asks the driver "where are the pedals?".

He laughs and asks me "well, where's your ENGINE?".

I point over my shoulder at Carol.

We all laugh.

I haven't ever had any "situation" with a motorcyclist - I think most of them realize they have more
in common with us than with anything on four wheels. I do notice they'll go out of their way to make
sure and beat me away from a stoplight though... ;-)

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Jeff said:

HD produces an excellent product. If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and sell it 5 years from now
for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with your run of the mill car). In 10 years, you'll
probably be able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

That has been the case, but I suspect that at some point in the not too distant future the HD will
no longer be the yuppy toy of choice, and the value of a used V-twin will drop like a rock.

THAT will be the time to buy one (if you were ever so inclined). I've owned a lot of other bikes,
and now ride what I've always wanted - a BMW K100RS. Wouldn't trade it for a V-twin anything - at
least not if I couldn't sell the V-twin and buy another BMW K-bike.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:36:03 GMT, <[email hidden]>, Mark Hickey

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I haven't ever had any "situation" with a motorcyclist - I think most of them realize they have
more in common with us than with anything on four wheels

That's been my experience as well. I've no animosity toward them having previously owned and
regularly ridden motorcycles.

I'm almost disappointed when the hog-herders don't blat out a fossil fart while passing me. I've
become accustomed to that knowing they're really cagers at heart and for most of the week they're
just the same kind of jerks but on four wheels. Nobody really ever goes anywhere on a Harley except
vacations and club runs. They're toys for poseurs now.

The majority of real motorcyclists who ride daily are usually running small bore non-descript
Japanese iron in the "cruiser" or "cross" configuration or venerable old beemers.

One of 'em pulled alongside me in rush hour last week and said, "Aren't you afraid to be out here?"
"No. Why should I be?" "Well, these [censored] don't give a [censored] for us" (I smiled at his use of the
word "us"😉 "These [censored] don't give a [censored] for each other either", I said. He nodded agreement and
we rode along together sharing the lane for awhile. I didn't ask if he was afraid or if he'd
examined statistics citing motorcyclists greater risk of injury.
--
zk

Mark Hickey said:

Jeff said:

HD produces an excellent product. If you doubt it, buy a Harley today and sell it 5 years from
now for as much as you paid for it (try doing that with your run of the mill car). In 10 years,
you'll probably be able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

That has been the case, but I suspect that at some point in the not too distant future the HD will
no longer be the yuppy toy of choice, and the value of a used V-twin will drop like a rock.

THAT will be the time to buy one (if you were ever so inclined). I've owned a lot of other bikes,
and now ride what I've always wanted - a BMW K100RS. Wouldn't trade it for a V-twin anything - at
least not if I couldn't sell the V-twin and buy another BMW K-bike.

The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially wondrous at all.

It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan is sold when it arrives. It
ain't because it's a better bike than what the Japanese produce!

SMH

"Stephen Harding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
| The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially wondrous at all.
|
| It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan is sold when it arrives.
| It ain't because it's a better bike than what the Japanese produce!

You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized [censored]?

The Roadside Artist

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www.roadsideartist.com

Only problem I have with HDs is the noise (not all of them but most). Totally ruins the experience
of riding in the mountains when you get a large group of these noise-polluting people approaching
you. Not sure why these riders think it is cool to pump out tons of noise. I guess they have the
same mentality of a child who attaches playing cards in bicycle spokes to make noise so they appear
cool. For a child it may be cool. For an adult, it's just plain stupid.

"Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Russ Price said:

[censored] Durbin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Armstrong" to see what the Harley riders are saying about bicyclists.

Funny thing is, I've never had Harley riders hassle me on the road. Indeed, the Harley types are
the most likely to wave or give the thumbs-up sign [1] of all motor vehicle operators I've
encountered.

Then again, I ride a recumbent, so the "outlaw" factor probably comes into play.

I once pulled up to a light beside the classic Harley, with the oversized dude in leathers and the
biker chick on back. My wife and I were on our hot-cranberry tandem, resplendent in our lycra.

My wife looks over at the hog, and asks the driver "where are the pedals?".

He laughs and asks me "well, where's your ENGINE?".

I point over my shoulder at Carol.

We all laugh.

I haven't ever had any "situation" with a motorcyclist - I think most of them realize they have
more in common with us than with anything on four wheels. I do notice they'll go out of their way
to make sure and beat me away from a stoplight though... ;-)

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

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Only problem I have with HDs is the noise (not all of them but most). Totally ruins the
experience of riding in the mountains when you get a large group of these noise-polluting people
approaching you.

A neat memory of mine is passing a strung out group of about 40 Harleys going down something called
North Mountain on the Cabot trail. They were all single file and I passed them all going about 20k
faster, dangerous, a little, but fun....YES.

Roadside Artist said:

"Stephen Harding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

| The appeal of the Harley isn't its technological wonders. Not especially wondrous at all.
|
| It's the mystique! There's a reason why every Hog sent for sale in Japan is sold when it
| arrives. It ain't because it's a better bike than what the Japanese produce!

You mean, it's a substitute for an adequate-sized [censored]?

That might be most of the explanation, although there are a significant number of women who
love Hogs too.

Why do some bicyclists wear jerseys from teams they are not members of? Why would someone buy a Trek
USPS frame if they are not even on the team or don't even race? What was the appeal of buying a bike
with some road racer's name (Lemonde, Merkx) on it?

One need not focus on the motor vehicle industry to find examples of image directing consumption in
people so lacking in sense of self that they allow others to define it for them!

SMH