On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:10:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <
[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:50:24 +0100, Charles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:45:26 -0700, Ashton Crusher <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:29:15 +0100, Charles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As the SFO units of the British police, supported by SAS troopers,
>>>>burst upon the presence of two of the alleged would-be London bombers
>>>......................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>Note the word alleged.
>>
>>I wrote the piece and it was *my* "alleged".
>>
>>>
>>>I suppose you prefer that we give the police the right to kill anyone
>>>anytime, like the damn near have based on how they killed the
>>>Brazilian Electrician execution style. Would that kind of fascist
>>>state suit you better bunky?
>>
>>If you were a regular here you would know I am against the bearing of
>>arms by both police and the public, but I do want the public protected
>>against fanatics that seek to destroy our way of life, er...
>>"bunky"?!!
>>
>
>We will never be both FREE and 100% protected. No one is trying to
>destroy our way of life except for our elected "reps". The so-called
>terrorists are lashing out against decades of US and British
>interference in their internal affairs.
Er... not so Anton, they are settling in the UK in their millions,
among a people they despise and whose way of life they deplore.
They then set about attempting to change the British way of life to
their own entire satisfaction, aided and abetted by the woolly minded
liberati and PC Brigade, who are even attempting to have Christmas
banned in order not to offend our new 'friends'!!
Why should we have to change our culture in order to absorb theirs?
Quite frankly that is outrageous, yet it is our own people that are
advocating such policies, backed up by politicians looking for votes
and supported by a judiciary bent on defeating the will of Parliament.
>I don't approve of their
>methods but what other means do they have left? As we saw with Bush,
>COMPLETE acquiescence to US demands was NOT enough to prevent the US
>from attacking them.
There can never be a good reason for cowardly terrorism. Always
painting the US the UK and their allies as imperialist war-mongers is
trite and naive. You need to understand how these matters have evolved
and look at them with an open mind.
>
>
>>>
>>>I have close to zero faith in the gvt's desire to protect me or my
>>>rights so I'd just as soon keep as many constraints on them as
>>>possible and continue that gvts world wide observe all the requisite
>>>laws and treat EVERYONE as innocent until PROVEN guilty, not just
>>>assumed guilty. Maybe I'm old-fashioned.
>>
>>You make valid points, but you offer nothing about how to handle
>>international terrorism. Equally you overlooked the point of my
>>posting which was the irony of a "would-be" bomber "blubbing" and
>>claiming his "rights"!!
>>
>
>We handle it like any other threat. As the investigations of what we
>were doing BEFORE 9.11 showed, we were ALREADY collecting ALL the
>necessary data to prevent 9/11, we just weren't paying attention to
>it. So what did we do? We gave the police all sorts of new ways to
>put their jackboots on our neck, ways they did NOT need, as the
>investigations had already showed. Yet we still have terrorists and
>if we maintain our current policies we always will.
That's because we are too soft on them and always opposing them with
one hand tied behind our backs, pandering to our own liberal left
loonies.
>You want a
>solution? How about we keep our noses out of other peoples business.
I suppose it's fine with you that Iran and North Korea should be
allowed to develop Nuclear weapons. It may not be acceptable to the
rest of us and in the interests of world peace it may be necessary to
intervene there.
>Before we tried to force western style culture on them we never had a
>problem, they ran their culture in accordance with centuries of
>success and we did the same. They didn't come over here and try and
>change us but we certainly keep going over there trying to change
>them.
That is so much nonsense, see the history of Islamic imperialism, and
their stated aim of a world given over to the worship of the Muslim
God complete with Sharia law. All who oppose those ideals are infidels
and worthy only of death.
>
>Try to look at what's gone on for the past hundred years as if you
>came from a different planet and had no axe to grind and ask yourself
>"who started this".
The possession of the bulk of the world's energy requirements has made
some very backward countries unbelievably wealthy. That they have not
managed that wealth to the betterment of their populations, is not the
fault of the users of their essential product.
What they have done is to use that wealth to sponsor their religious
war and effectively bite the hand that feeds them.
Of course the real answer is to find quickly an alternative energy
source, and be free of the bastards for good. Close the borders, end
immigration, repatriate those that don't want to 'fit in' and then we
will be able to let them get on with "their own culture" and we can
live peacefully in ours.
>
>>>
>>>>in their west London flat, one of them began blubbing, said he was
>>>>frightened, and reminded his non-compromising confronters that he had
>>>>rights!!
>>>>
>>>>He is now in custody where no doubt a highly paid lawyer is in
>>>>attendance, and he will in due course have a human rights QC to ensure
>>>>that he is accorded the full protection of the law.
>>>>
>>>>Just one thing sticks in my craw with that cosy little scenario: what
>>>>about the rights of those 56 dead and 700 injured from the
>>>>'successful' bombings?
>>>>
>>>>The only positive to emerge is that these 'failed' bombers do have a
>>>>high degree of concern for their own persons, even if they have scant
>>>>regard for the well-being of their intended targets. This is a
>>>>mentality which we can understand and which perhaps we can do
>>>>something about.
>>>>
>>>>Those fanatics who blow themselves to pieces in order to become
>>>>martyrs, and to achieve their reward of 72 virgins, are a great deal
>>>>more complex. Perhaps our home grown terrorists have been softened by
>>>>western decadence, and lack the fortitude of their native born
>>>>cousins. I do hope so!!
>>>>
>>>>Have a great Sunday - I intend to!! ;o)
>
>
>Me too, worked on my tan.
We haven't seen the sun for a week!
Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(