I lost 100 pounds!

Jim Bard wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| Jim Bard wrote:
||||| I do have a friend who has lost 135 pounds in the last 18 months,
||||| and she is very proud of her accomplishments, as she should be.
|||
||| Did she lose it on LC? Did she count calories? I would appreciate
||| it if you could find and report back.
|||
|||
||
|| Roger, she was just majorly fat, and lost weight without even
|| reading a book. She just cut out the white stuff, and lost a lot of
|| weight. To her credit, she quit smoking at the same time.
||
|| She is not my future, but I respect her all the same.

Thanks, Jim.

This is yet another example of someone going LC and not counting any
calories and getting to normal weight. A true "Dong Lerner LC Success
Story!"

Heartha says she stalled when counting just carbs and switched to WW. So
she didn't *only* count carbs.

Surely there must be *some* people out there who have gotten to goal by
just counting carbs? Or not?

If you count WW points you impose other limitations on top of counting
carbs. WW points include calories as part of the point equation.

doug

p.s. Heartha - I am certainly not diminishing your great achievement. I
think it is wonderful and also offer my congratulations! The comment
that Roger made is just about another side-discussion we are having.

Roger Zoul said:

Heartha -

You are a true LC success according to Doug Lerner since you got to near
goal while only counting carbs (I'm excludng points since he didn't mention
that). Good deal!

See Doug - here is another one!

heartha wrote:
|| Hi Roger - I don't count calories. I counted carbs until I stalled
|| out for a few months, then switched to WW, but still counting carbs
|| - I just counted Points too 🙂 I take a lot of supplements (fish &
|| flax oil pills and fiber along with everything else you'd expect).
|| I try to do weight training 2-3 times a week and walk 20-40 minutes
|| a day, 20 minutes a time.
||
||
||
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| Did you LC your 100 lbs by LCing? Did you count calories?

Isn't counting points easier than counting calories? Also did you see that
post about Jim Bard's friend?

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| Heartha says she stalled when counting just carbs and switched to
|| WW. So
|| she didn't *only* count carbs.
||
|| Surely there must be *some* people out there who have gotten to goal
|| by
|| just counting carbs? Or not?
||
|| If you count WW points you impose other limitations on top of
|| counting carbs. WW points include calories as part of the point
|| equation.
||
|| doug
||
|| p.s. Heartha - I am certainly not diminishing your great
|| achievement. I think it is wonderful and also offer my
|| congratulations! The comment
|| that Roger made is just about another side-discussion we are having.
||
||
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||| Heartha -
|||
||| You are a true LC success according to Doug Lerner since you got to
||| near goal while only counting carbs (I'm excludng points since he
||| didn't mention that). Good deal!
|||
||| See Doug - here is another one!
|||
|||
||| heartha wrote:
||||| Hi Roger - I don't count calories. I counted carbs until I stalled
||||| out for a few months, then switched to WW, but still counting
||||| carbs - I just counted Points too 🙂 I take a lot of supplements
||||| (fish & flax oil pills and fiber along with everything else you'd
||||| expect).
||||| I try to do weight training 2-3 times a week and walk 20-40
||||| minutes
||||| a day, 20 minutes a time.
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||||| news:[email hidden]...
|||||| Did you LC your 100 lbs by LCing? Did you count calories?

Thanks Doug - I guess I'm just wondering "what's the big deal?" Is someone
looking for validation of LC being the one true or only way to lose weight?
This conversation is hitting some buttons for me. I look for successes in
whatever form they come.

I wouldn't say that WW put other limitations on my eating plan - I wanted to
make sure that I was eating a more balanced diet, and WW helped me remember
2 fruits, 2 dairy, protein at every meal, 5 vegs a day, 1-2 starches. My
body appreciates that 🙂

"Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Heartha says she stalled when counting just carbs and switched to WW. So
she didn't *only* count carbs.

Surely there must be *some* people out there who have gotten to goal by
just counting carbs? Or not?

If you count WW points you impose other limitations on top of counting
carbs. WW points include calories as part of the point equation.

doug

p.s. Heartha - I am certainly not diminishing your great achievement. I
think it is wonderful and also offer my congratulations! The comment
that Roger made is just about another side-discussion we are having.

I find counting Points very easy, and yes, more easy than counting calories.
I like it because it takes fat and fiber into account, so something that I
didn't think i could eat, turns out to be more balanced and acceptable than
I thought once all those things are taken into consideration. Still
carb-controlled, but including fiber and fat.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Isn't counting points easier than counting calories? Also did you see

that

Quoted message said:

post about Jim Bard's friend?

No - I don't think that counting points is easier than counting
calories. If anything it is harder because there are less references. It
is easy to find the calories of anything - it's harder to find the WW
points.

(I have an Excel-based WW point counter lying around somewhere, though...)

Anyway, WW points *includes* calories and therefore put limits on
high-calorie foods even though they might be zero carbs. So there isn't
any way you can reasonably call Weight Watchers a low-carb-only diet.

So now we only have Jim Bard's anectodal friend, and we really don't
know for sure how that person lost weight. It would be useful to hear
directly from that person.

Shouldn't there be thousands of people, though, with verifiable success
stories of the sort I am talking about? Doesn't it strike you a bit odd
that former chubbies who have gone from over 100 lb overweight to slim
just by counting carbs aren't crawling out of the wordwork and posting
all over the place?

doug

Roger Zoul said:

Isn't counting points easier than counting calories? Also did you see that
post about Jim Bard's friend?

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| Heartha says she stalled when counting just carbs and switched to
|| WW. So
|| she didn't *only* count carbs.
||
|| Surely there must be *some* people out there who have gotten to goal
|| by
|| just counting carbs? Or not?
||
|| If you count WW points you impose other limitations on top of
|| counting carbs. WW points include calories as part of the point
|| equation.
||
|| doug
||
|| p.s. Heartha - I am certainly not diminishing your great
|| achievement. I think it is wonderful and also offer my
|| congratulations! The comment
|| that Roger made is just about another side-discussion we are having.
||
||
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||| Heartha -
|||
||| You are a true LC success according to Doug Lerner since you got to
||| near goal while only counting carbs (I'm excludng points since he
||| didn't mention that). Good deal!
|||
||| See Doug - here is another one!
|||
|||
||| heartha wrote:
||||| Hi Roger - I don't count calories. I counted carbs until I stalled
||||| out for a few months, then switched to WW, but still counting
||||| carbs - I just counted Points too 🙂 I take a lot of supplements
||||| (fish & flax oil pills and fiber along with everything else you'd
||||| expect).
||||| I try to do weight training 2-3 times a week and walk 20-40
||||| minutes
||||| a day, 20 minutes a time.
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||||| news:[email hidden]...
|||||| Did you LC your 100 lbs by LCing? Did you count calories?

heartha said:

I find counting Points very easy, and yes, more easy than counting calories.
I like it because it takes fat and fiber into account, so something that I
didn't think i could eat, turns out to be more balanced and acceptable than
I thought once all those things are taken into consideration. Still
carb-controlled, but including fiber and fat.

The WW points equation (defined at
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/diet.htm) takes into
account calories, fat and protein, but not total carbs.

doug

heartha said:

Thanks Doug - I guess I'm just wondering "what's the big deal?" Is someone
looking for validation of LC being the one true or only way to lose weight?
This conversation is hitting some buttons for me. I look for successes in
whatever form they come.

I agree that success is important no matter the form it comes in. That
is why I wanted to clarify that I wasn't trying to take away from your
fantastic success. (I'm jealous! 🙂).

We were just having a side-conversation on how valid "just low-carb
counting" (that is, not counting anything else) really is as a weight
loss plan that can take an extremely overweight person (somebody more
than 100 lb overweight) down to normal or very-near-normal weight.

Not as "the one true" or "only way" but just to see if LC *by itself*
was "one way" of achieving this goal.

I haven't heard any first person reports from anybody that indicates
this is so.

I've heard a LOT of reports from people like me who found low-carbing an
easy way to lose 30 or 40 pounds and then get stuck and never get down
to *slim*.

And I've also heard several reports from people who said they use
low-carbing to control hunger so they can stick to a calorie-restricted
diet. That makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I think that calorie
control in some form is the only way to achieve goal weight. Low-carbing
can help with this, probably.

But I am looking for actual, first-person reports of people who started
out as very obese and actually got thin and didn't count anything but
carbs. That is what I am curious about. I am skeptical about the
validity of low-carbing in that sense.

doug

Doug Lerner said:

heartha said:

I find counting Points very easy, and yes, more easy than counting
calories.
I like it because it takes fat and fiber into account, so something
that I
didn't think i could eat, turns out to be more balanced and acceptable
than
I thought once all those things are taken into consideration. Still
carb-controlled, but including fiber and fat.

The WW points equation (defined at
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/diet.htm) takes into
account calories, fat and protein, but not total carbs.

doug

I mispoke myself. I mean the WW points equation takes into account
calories, fat and FIBER, but not total carbs.

doug

There are millions of dieters who have never heard of Usenet. This group is
a tiny sliver of the universe of dieters.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| No - I don't think that counting points is easier than counting
| calories. If anything it is harder because there are less references.
| It is easy to find the calories of anything - it's harder to find the
| WW points.
|
| (I have an Excel-based WW point counter lying around somewhere,
| though...)
|
| Anyway, WW points *includes* calories and therefore put limits on
| high-calorie foods even though they might be zero carbs. So there
| isn't any way you can reasonably call Weight Watchers a low-carb-only
| diet.
|
| So now we only have Jim Bard's anectodal friend, and we really don't
| know for sure how that person lost weight. It would be useful to hear
| directly from that person.
|
| Shouldn't there be thousands of people, though, with verifiable
| success stories of the sort I am talking about? Doesn't it strike you
| a bit odd that former chubbies who have gone from over 100 lb
| overweight to slim just by counting carbs aren't crawling out of the
| wordwork and posting all over the place?
|
| doug
|
|

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| No - I don't think that counting points is easier than counting
|| calories. If anything it is harder because there are less
|| references. It
|| is easy to find the calories of anything - it's harder to find the WW
|| points.
||
|| (I have an Excel-based WW point counter lying around somewhere,
|| though...)
||
|| Anyway, WW points *includes* calories and therefore put limits on
|| high-calorie foods even though they might be zero carbs. So there
|| isn't
|| any way you can reasonably call Weight Watchers a low-carb-only diet.
||
|| So now we only have Jim Bard's anectodal friend, and we really don't
|| know for sure how that person lost weight. It would be useful to hear
|| directly from that person.
||
|| Shouldn't there be thousands of people, though, with verifiable
|| success stories of the sort I am talking about? Doesn't it strike
|| you a bit odd
|| that former chubbies who have gone from over 100 lb overweight to
|| slim
|| just by counting carbs aren't crawling out of the wordwork and
|| posting
|| all over the place?
||
|| doug

No....only a fraction of LCers show up here. Look for a post by Nick in the
thread "Is my appearance me?" He's lost 83 lbs.

||
||
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||| Isn't counting points easier than counting calories? Also did you
||| see that post about Jim Bard's friend?
|||
||| Doug Lerner wrote:
||||| Heartha says she stalled when counting just carbs and switched to
||||| WW. So
||||| she didn't *only* count carbs.
|||||
||||| Surely there must be *some* people out there who have gotten to
||||| goal
||||| by
||||| just counting carbs? Or not?
|||||
||||| If you count WW points you impose other limitations on top of
||||| counting carbs. WW points include calories as part of the point
||||| equation.
|||||
||||| doug
|||||
||||| p.s. Heartha - I am certainly not diminishing your great
||||| achievement. I think it is wonderful and also offer my
||||| congratulations! The comment
||||| that Roger made is just about another side-discussion we are
||||| having.
|||||
|||||
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||| Heartha -
||||||
|||||| You are a true LC success according to Doug Lerner since you got
|||||| to near goal while only counting carbs (I'm excludng points
|||||| since he didn't mention that). Good deal!
||||||
|||||| See Doug - here is another one!
||||||
||||||
|||||| heartha wrote:
|||||||| Hi Roger - I don't count calories. I counted carbs until I
|||||||| stalled out for a few months, then switched to WW, but still
|||||||| counting
|||||||| carbs - I just counted Points too 🙂 I take a lot of
|||||||| supplements (fish & flax oil pills and fiber along with
|||||||| everything else you'd expect).
|||||||| I try to do weight training 2-3 times a week and walk 20-40
|||||||| minutes
|||||||| a day, 20 minutes a time.
||||||||
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|||||||| news:[email hidden]...
||||||||| Did you LC your 100 lbs by LCing? Did you count calories?

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| heartha wrote:
||| Thanks Doug - I guess I'm just wondering "what's the big deal?" Is
||| someone looking for validation of LC being the one true or only way
||| to lose weight? This conversation is hitting some buttons for me.
||| I look for successes in whatever form they come.
||
|| I agree that success is important no matter the form it comes in.
|| That
|| is why I wanted to clarify that I wasn't trying to take away from
|| your fantastic success. (I'm jealous! 🙂).
||
|| We were just having a side-conversation on how valid "just low-carb
|| counting" (that is, not counting anything else) really is as a weight
|| loss plan that can take an extremely overweight person (somebody more
|| than 100 lb overweight) down to normal or very-near-normal weight.
||
|| Not as "the one true" or "only way" but just to see if LC *by itself*
|| was "one way" of achieving this goal.
||
|| I haven't heard any first person reports from anybody that indicates
|| this is so.
||
|| I've heard a LOT of reports from people like me who found
|| low-carbing an easy way to lose 30 or 40 pounds and then get stuck
|| and never get down
|| to *slim*.
||
|| And I've also heard several reports from people who said they use
|| low-carbing to control hunger so they can stick to a
|| calorie-restricted diet. That makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I
|| think that calorie
|| control in some form is the only way to achieve goal weight.
|| Low-carbing
|| can help with this, probably.
||
|| But I am looking for actual, first-person reports of people who
|| started
|| out as very obese and actually got thin and didn't count anything but
|| carbs. That is what I am curious about. I am skeptical about the
|| validity of low-carbing in that sense.

Be skeptical about "counting only carbs" not about low-carbing. It works if
you do it. It's just ath really big people have developed habits about
eating. So it becomes necessary eventually to count calories to keep food
comsumption under control.

While that is certainly true, it is a cross-section. And there is no
reason to think it is not a fairly representative cross-section.

But we don't have to limit our information to people here. Anywhere is
fine...

doug

FOB said:

There are millions of dieters who have never heard of Usenet. This group is
a tiny sliver of the universe of dieters.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Lerner <[email hidden]> stated
| No - I don't think that counting points is easier than counting
| calories. If anything it is harder because there are less references.
| It is easy to find the calories of anything - it's harder to find the
| WW points.
|
| (I have an Excel-based WW point counter lying around somewhere,
| though...)
|
| Anyway, WW points *includes* calories and therefore put limits on
| high-calorie foods even though they might be zero carbs. So there
| isn't any way you can reasonably call Weight Watchers a low-carb-only
| diet.
|
| So now we only have Jim Bard's anectodal friend, and we really don't
| know for sure how that person lost weight. It would be useful to hear
| directly from that person.
|
| Shouldn't there be thousands of people, though, with verifiable
| success stories of the sort I am talking about? Doesn't it strike you
| a bit odd that former chubbies who have gone from over 100 lb
| overweight to slim just by counting carbs aren't crawling out of the
| wordwork and posting all over the place?
|
| doug
|
|

Cubit said:

Daniel,

Quoted message said:

You are 3 pounds from goal!

And believe me when I say that I am going to be the legalist,
excercisingest, bestest LCer you've every seen over the holidays!!!
Hitting goal on my three-year LC anniversary would be just too cool ;-)

Luckily, since I've been losing fairly slowly, I haven't hit the slowdown
that many people report as they're approaching goal weight.

Dan
325/193/190
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Roger Zoul said:

Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:
|| As for maintenance, the way I look at it, I've been maintaining a
|| 10-pound loss for almost three years, a 50-pound loss for two years,
|| a 90-pound
|| loss for a year, and a 132-pound loss for one week ;-)

Quoted message said:

A success by any measure!

I absolutely could not have done it without support from family and
friends, even from my annoying 'eat anything' brother. Everybody has been
100%, picking suitable foods for family meals and cookouts, checking
restaurants ahead of time if we go out, not flaunting sugary, wheaty foods
in front of me (during the first six months this was really crucial for
this old Mr. Donut).

My wife kickstarted us both almost three years ago. She lost her weight
and has kept it off. She only recently told me that if that New Year's
challenge hadn't work, everyone was plotting an intervention. Something
about capturing me and hog-tying me, then chaining me to a treadmill in a
locked room and feeding me only healthy foods. Something like that. My
wife can be very evil. I don't argue with her much anymore since she's
taken up weight lifting. My motto, never argue with a woman who can do
chinups ;-)

Dan
325/193/190
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

"Daniel Hoffmeister" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:
|| As for maintenance, the way I look at it, I've been maintaining a
|| 10-pound loss for almost three years, a 50-pound loss for two years,
|| a 90-pound
|| loss for a year, and a 132-pound loss for one week ;-)

Quoted message said:

A success by any measure!

I absolutely could not have done it without support from family and
friends, even from my annoying 'eat anything' brother. Everybody has been
100%, picking suitable foods for family meals and cookouts, checking
restaurants ahead of time if we go out, not flaunting sugary, wheaty foods
in front of me (during the first six months this was really crucial for
this old Mr. Donut).

My wife kickstarted us both almost three years ago. She lost her weight
and has kept it off. She only recently told me that if that New Year's
challenge hadn't work, everyone was plotting an intervention. Something
about capturing me and hog-tying me, then chaining me to a treadmill in a
locked room and feeding me only healthy foods. Something like that. My
wife can be very evil. I don't argue with her much anymore since she's
taken up weight lifting. My motto, never argue with a woman who can do
chinups ;-)

🙂

the first 75 I did LC, but I couldn't lose more until I knocked off
some calories (still keeping low-carb),,, I cut out cheese, some nuts
and the Atkins bar I had every night with my coffee...

while I treadmill every day, in my case the key was cutting out as much
sugar as possible in every form.

I still have 20 or 30 lbs. that I would like to lose, but that's just
to get down to the height and weight chart "norms" for the sheer
challenge of it... I sleep less, wear "normal" sizes and run into
people who do double takes when they see me.

Atkins/low-carb worked for me by eliminating sugar rushes and hunger
between meals.

Freddie

Good job. Are you a woman or a man? Did you lift any weights?

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

the first 75 I did LC, but I couldn't lose more until I knocked off
some calories (still keeping low-carb),,, I cut out cheese, some nuts
and the Atkins bar I had every night with my coffee...

while I treadmill every day, in my case the key was cutting out as much
sugar as possible in every form.

I still have 20 or 30 lbs. that I would like to lose, but that's just
to get down to the height and weight chart "norms" for the sheer
challenge of it... I sleep less, wear "normal" sizes and run into
people who do double takes when they see me.

Atkins/low-carb worked for me by eliminating sugar rushes and hunger
between meals.

Freddie

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

the first 75 I did LC, but I couldn't lose more until I knocked off
some calories (still keeping low-carb),,, I cut out cheese, some nuts
and the Atkins bar I had every night with my coffee...

while I treadmill every day, in my case the key was cutting out as much
sugar as possible in every form.

I still have 20 or 30 lbs. that I would like to lose, but that's just
to get down to the height and weight chart "norms" for the sheer
challenge of it... I sleep less, wear "normal" sizes and run into
people who do double takes when they see me.

Atkins/low-carb worked for me by eliminating sugar rushes and hunger
between meals.

CONGRATULATIONS, Freddie! You're a real inspiration!

--
Saffire
205/147/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

One of JC's butt warts has resurfaced......

Take care,
Carmen