I overslept and missed the morning ride ...

[Donald Munro]

[email protected] wrote:
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday.

I had a chain with an Al Qaeda link once.

 

[Bill C]

On Jun 12, 1:21 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jun 11, 8:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "benjo maso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
> > >> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>
> > > You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
>
> > If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
> > Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
> > someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday. At least, you aren't supposed
> to do that in a democracy with rules and laws (For
> prisoners, I mean. You can do whatever you want with
> rear derailleurs, at least until the Transportation Safety
> Administration comes up with some reason to object
> to them.)
>
> If these guys are so bad, put them on trial. The real
> reason most of them are not on trial is that the evidence
> against them is either flimsy or inadmissible (hearsay,
> obtained by torture, hearsay obtained by torture, and
> so on). Even the government more or less admits this,
> as seen by its filings in the Padilla case. Anyway,
> if our kangaroo courts accidentally convicted one of
> these shmucks of a capital crime, the US could always
> commute the sentence if they wanted to exchange
> the prisoner later.
>
> Ben
> Obviously if you were arrested you must have been
> a counterrevolutionary, because if you weren't a
> counterrevolutionary, why would you have been arrested?

Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
governed under the Geneva Conventions. Unfortunately we decided to
hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.
Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html

They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
that we aren't doing mass summary executions.
More good thinking.
Bill C

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

"Howard Kveck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
....
> Tancredo / Sharpton doesn't work for you as Unity '08?
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
If I voted that way, would it be irony, sarcasm or protest? Is it enough to
put the conservative-liberal meter needle in the middle if the needle then
snaps off? Important questions, but it requires a drink. Back in a while...


--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[Tom Kunich]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 11, 8:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "benjo maso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> >> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
>> >> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>>
>> > You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
>>
>> If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
>> Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
>> someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
>
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday.

I hate to point this out to you but these guys are criminals from one point
of view but enemy combatants from another. They have a great value to us
AFTER hostilities end but if we're forced to prosecute them as the criminals
they surely could be convicted as, we have lost a great and valuable
commodity.

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
> declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
> governed under the Geneva Conventions.

The problem with that is that you have to have a declared country as enemy
to make them POW's.

> Unfortunately we decided to
> hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.

Do you actually believe that somewhere they're shoving splinters under these
guys fingernails?

> Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
> fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
> :
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html
>
> They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
> POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
> torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
> that we aren't doing mass summary executions.

Now I'm wondering what would make you believe that running a model POW
system would somehow lead this "bunch" of terrorists to take up another line
of work after release? Or perhaps you're suggesting that they should NEVER
have been released?

I really like you guys and your damned if you do and damned if you don't
attitudes.

While driving across town to a hardware store this morning I was listening
to Rush Limbaugh and he played a recording of one of Al Gore's speeches
accosting the Reagan/Bush administration as allowing Saddam Hussein to
develop weapons of mass destruction, gain nuclear bomb technology, gas 5,000
Kurds in a single town, etc. etc. etc.

Everything he said was EXACTLY word for word what George W. Bush said and
which Gore and the rest of the Democrats then refuted.

I'm sick and tired of ******** from politicians and you politician
wannabees.

While I have a distrust and a dislike for most of what George Bush has done
and continues to do, he did do some things correctly and that is one of
them.

 

[Bill C]

On Jun 12, 6:12 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
> > declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
> > governed under the Geneva Conventions.
>
> The problem with that is that you have to have a declared country as enemy
> to make them POW's.
>
> > Unfortunately we decided to
> > hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.
>
> Do you actually believe that somewhere they're shoving splinters under these
> guys fingernails?
>
> > Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
> > fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
> > :
> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html
>
> > They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
> > POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
> > torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
> > that we aren't doing mass summary executions.
>
> Now I'm wondering what would make you believe that running a model POW
> system would somehow lead this "bunch" of terrorists to take up another line
> of work after release? Or perhaps you're suggesting that they should NEVER
> have been released?
>

You do NOT need a country listed anymore. The world is well aware and
has taken asymetrical warfare into consideration. The case would be
easy to make that these are combatants captured, and therefore able to
be held until the end of hostilities under the Geneva Convention.
People would fight it, but we'd be arguing from a position of
strength.
Running model POW camps wouldn't do a damned thing to change the
minds of those already fighting, but it would've prevented massive
amounts of true propaganda being used to recruit more fighters.
I'm SAYING that we could have, and should have held them forever if
needed in legal camps.
Bill C

 

[[email protected]]

On Jun 12, 2:59 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> I hate to point this out to you but these guys are criminals from one point
> of view but enemy combatants from another. They have a great value to us
> AFTER hostilities end

Hostilities are going to end in the present war?
The GWOT, Global War on Terror? How will we know
when the War on Terror is over? Just after ****
Pound wins the War on Dope?

> but if we're forced to prosecute them as the criminals
> they surely could be convicted as, we have lost a great and valuable
> commodity.

A) Horseshit. B) People, even nasty naughty people and
Osama's driver, aren't commodities.

Thanks,
Ben
$3.99/lb