I was misled

S o r n i said:

You just /know/ the left is hoping that things go terribly wrong in Iraq
during the next 4 months or so, as that will be good for "their side" while
being bad for "our" country.

Looks like the right is already making plans....

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040625/ap_on_el_ge/election_terrorism_1

WASHINGTON - The government needs to establish guidelines for canceling or
rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United States again, says
the chairman of a new federal voting commission.

--
6/30/2004
1:58 AM [GMT-8]

Pat said:

.

Quoted message said:

Oh, horseshit. The country was plenty divided already during the
Clinton years, which led to such a hotly contested (even) election,
which the Dems have bitterly resented since, which has cemented the
absolute partisanship that remains now.

Of course it was divided during the Clinton years. And then came Bush,
promising to "unite and heal" the country, etc. etc. Instead, he has
done just the opposite with his secretiveness and his positions.

One could argue that it's the Democrats who resent him so much that they
just won't support /anything/ originating from him. (Watch a tape of
Hillary's sour puss some time, during his address to Congress immediately
following 9/11. The entire country rallied begind him -- albeit maybe only
briefly -- but she couldn't stand it for even that long. Of course, now she
probably WANTS him to win, for obvious reasons 4 years down line...)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You just /know/ the left is hoping that things go terribly wrong in
Iraq during the next 4 months or so, as that will be good for "their
side" while being bad for "our" country.

No! This is wrong! I don't know anyone--nor have I seen anyone-- of
any political persuasion who hopes that things go terribly wrong in
Iraq. You are just spouting the typical Republican line trying to
separate the people into the "good Americans who love their country
and are Republican" and the "bad Americans who hate America and just
happen to be Democratic". You should be ashamed for falling for this
Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Michael Savage line. Just because they keep
repeating it daily does not mean a thinking person should accept
their spin.

I never listen to ANY of those people, AT ALL. Swear to God. (Never even
heard of that middle one.) I simply listen to OverFed Kennedy and Tom
Dashitall, and make up my own mind.

Bill "to be fair, I'm sure that the Repubs would be just as bitter if Gorged
had been elected (just proves my point)" S.

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

For me the epitome of that style was the "freedom fry" and ridiculing
of the French as a nation for not signing up for the Iraq hatchet job.

Jobst Brandt

Could have something to do with promising to veto a UN vote to go
after Saddam after "only" 12 years and 17 resolutions. And let's not
forget why they did it... moral uprightness? Nope, just Iraqi oil
money.

Quoted message said:

What ticks me off royally about this whole attitude of the Bush
administration is that it is dividing Americans unnecessarily. Now,
supposedly, if you have "family values", you cannot be a Democrat--"only"
Republicans have "family values." If you "love America" then you 'must' be
a Republican, and "everybody knows" that only Republicans are religious....

Hmmmm, I musta missed that memo. Perhaps you can point us all to the
source for this revelation.

Quoted message said:

Bush ran on a platform of being "a uniter, not a divider" and yet all he has
done since being in office has been to divide the nation on many fronts. Of
course, the people he picked for his administration have done the major work
in this dividing; people such as John Ashcroft and [censored] Cheney.

Uh huh. Both sides are certainly guilty of working over the other
pretty well, but to suggest that it's an entirely Republican thing
shows you either haven't been paying attention or you're so hopelessly
partisan that the truth bounces off without making an impression.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Bill Sorni said:

Quoted message said:

What ticks me off royally about this whole attitude of the Bush
administration is that it is dividing Americans unnecessarily.
Now, supposedly, if you have "family values", you cannot be a
Democrat--"only" Republicans have "family values." If you "love
America" then you 'must' be a Republican, and "everybody knows"
that only Republicans are religious.... Bush ran on a platform of
being "a uniter, not a divider" and yet all he has done since being
in office has been to divide the nation on many fronts. Of course,
the people he picked for his administration have done the major
work in this dividing; people such as John Ashcroft and [censored]
Cheney.

Quoted message said:

Oh, horseshit. The country was plenty divided already during the
Clinton years, which led to such a hotly contested (even) election,
which the Dems have bitterly resented since, which has cemented the
absolute partisanship that remains now.

Well manure aside, you may think that but you will not find an
instance where President Clinton denounced the character of those who
disagreed or attacked his policies or his character. Even now, he
chooses to not attack the character of Kenneth W. Starr who attacked
him so viciously and without merit or purpose other than to discredit
his character for the opposition.

Quoted message said:

You just /know/ the left is hoping that things go terribly wrong in
Iraq during the next 4 months or so, as that will be good for "their
side" while being bad for "our" country.

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the one who is wishfully thinking
what is going on in other people's minds. Not to worry, the situation
is so bad in Iraq that I can't imagine who would want to inherit it.
Since GWB's opposition is certain of his ouster, they are not hoping
for a bigger mess than is already there for Senator Kerry's
administration to clean up.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

Pat ? said:

Show me even ONCE where the "Clinton apparatus" said/inferred/
claimed that someone was unpatriotic or treasonous for NOT agreeing
with everything that Clinton did---as is being done with
Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft etc. Defending yourself is one thing but
smearing other people as treasonous or "hating America" is something
else.

For me the epitome of that style was the "freedom fry" and ridiculing
of the French as a nation for not signing up for the Iraq hatchet job.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

What ticks me off royally about this whole attitude of the Bush
administration is that it is dividing Americans unnecessarily. Now,
supposedly, if you have "family values", you cannot be a Democrat--"only"
Republicans have "family values." If you "love America" then you 'must' be
a Republican, and "everybody knows" that only Republicans are religious....
Bush ran on a platform of being "a uniter, not a divider" and yet all he has
done since being in office has been to divide the nation on many fronts. Of
course, the people he picked for his administration have done the major work
in this dividing; people such as John Ashcroft and [censored] Cheney.

Why is everyone so hot under the color about a 1-term president ??
Other than, the fact that, he should have been a half-term president
(e.g. impeachment for starting an unnecessary war during a time of a
_real war_ (upon terror) seems like the logical thing to do, if only
we didn't have a complicit republican congress and wimpy democrats
backing them up ...)

- dON gILLIES
sAN dIEGO

sittingduck said:

Pat said:

What ticks me off royally about this whole attitude of the Bush
administration is that it is dividing Americans unnecessarily. Now,
supposedly, if you have "family values", you cannot be a
Democrat--"only" Republicans have "family values." If you "love
America" then you 'must' be a Republican, and "everybody knows" that
only Republicans are religious....

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3140930

Grand Old Pleasure-Seekers Head for the Republican Convention

By Mark Sage, PA News, in New York

As New York gears up for the Republican Convention, escort agencies in the
city are preparing for a boom in business.

Thousands of Republicans, including President George Bush, will descend on
the city for the pre-election rally on August 30.

As will call girls and escorts, arriving in force to supply the anticipated
spike in demand from delegates.

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

Greg

--
Destroy your safe and happy lives
Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

G.T. said:

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

I always got a kick out of the old bumper sticker:

The Moral Majority is NEITHER

--
6/30/2004
10:49 PM [GMT-8]

Quoted message said:

Bill Sorni writes:

{something I didn't write deleted due to no attribution left by JB}

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, horseshit. The country was plenty divided already during the
Clinton years, which led to such a hotly contested (even) election,
which the Dems have bitterly resented since, which has cemented the
absolute partisanship that remains now.

Well manure aside, you may think that but you will not find an
instance where President Clinton denounced the character of those who
disagreed or attacked his policies or his character. Even now, he
chooses to not attack the character of Kenneth W. Starr who attacked
him so viciously and without merit or purpose other than to discredit
his character for the opposition.

This misses the issue of "division" entirely. (AND, you obviously haven't
heard the same interviews/sound-bites from Clinton that I have; he bashes
Starr plenty nowadays.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You just /know/ the left is hoping that things go terribly wrong in
Iraq during the next 4 months or so, as that will be good for "their
side" while being bad for "our" country.

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the one who is wishfully thinking
what is going on in other people's minds.

Not in their minds; out their mouths. (Kennedy, Moore, Gore, "democratic
stategists" on cable news, etc.)

Bill "I predict a backlash pretty soon" S.

Donald Gillies said:

Why is everyone so hot under the color about a 1-term president ??
Other than, the fact that, he should have been a half-term president
(e.g. impeachment for starting an unnecessary war during a time of a
_real war_ (upon terror) seems like the logical thing to do, if only
we didn't have a complicit republican congress and wimpy democrats
backing them up ...)

- dON gILLIES
sAN dIEGO

Your sig is just as messed up as your argument 🙂

Bill "would still ride with you though" S.

G.T. said:

sittingduck said:

Quoted message said:

Grand Old Pleasure-Seekers Head for the Republican Convention

By Mark Sage, PA News, in New York

As New York gears up for the Republican Convention, escort agencies
in the city are preparing for a boom in business.

Thousands of Republicans, including President George Bush, will
descend on the city for the pre-election rally on August 30.

As will call girls and escorts, arriving in force to supply the
anticipated spike in demand from delegates.

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

Pretty big stretch, even for you, Greg. Any hookers heading to the DemFest
next month?!?

Bill "Noble Saturday?" S.

S o r n i said:

Quoted message said:

Bill Sorni writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You just /know/ the left is hoping that things go terribly wrong in
Iraq during the next 4 months or so, as that will be good for "their
side" while being bad for "our" country.

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the one who is wishfully thinking
what is going on in other people's minds.

Not in their minds; out their mouths. (Kennedy, Moore, Gore, "democratic
stategists" on cable news, etc.)

I'm as left as they get and I'd be thrilled if all Iraqis sat down and
said they'd settle their differences and that they didn't need our
interference any more and that our troops could come home by the 4th of
July. But I know the war mongering, controlling right wing would never
have that since there is still profit to be made.

Greg

--
Destroy your safe and happy lives
Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

G.T. said:

I'm as left as they get and I'd be thrilled if all Iraqis sat down and
said they'd settle their differences and that they didn't need our
interference any more and that our troops could come home by the 4th of
July. But I know the war mongering, controlling right wing would never
have that since there is still profit to be made.

So you're saying that the "right" is going to work to keep the
opposition in Iraq going for the sake of profiteering, even though it
works against them at the polls?

Twisted logic, IMHO.

But I too would be thrilled if the great Iraq experiment works. If
and when it does, there's nothing to keep it from spreading to the
rest of the region - and that can't be a bad thing unless you're a
terrorist.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

G.T. said:

sittingduck wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thousands of Republicans, including President George Bush, will descend on
the city for the pre-election rally on August 30.

As will call girls and escorts, arriving in force to supply the anticipated
spike in demand from delegates.

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

Oops, you're working with a pretty broad brush there, Greg... remember
how PC you have to be on this group now...

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

S o r n i said:

G.T. said:

sittingduck said:

>
Grand Old Pleasure-Seekers Head for the Republican Convention

By Mark Sage, PA News, in New York

As New York gears up for the Republican Convention, escort agencies
in the city are preparing for a boom in business.

Thousands of Republicans, including President George Bush, will
descend on the city for the pre-election rally on August 30.

As will call girls and escorts, arriving in force to supply the
anticipated spike in demand from delegates.

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

Pretty big stretch, even for you, Greg. Any hookers heading to the DemFest
next month?!?

Naaaah, Teddy Kennedy's got 'em all booked. ;-)

(see Greg, I was very specific...).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

G.T. said:

I'm as left as they get and I'd be thrilled if all Iraqis sat down
and said they'd settle their differences and that they didn't need
our interference any more and that our troops could come home by the
4th of July. But I know the war mongering, controlling right wing
would never have that since there is still profit to be made.

So you're saying that the "right" is going to work to keep the
opposition in Iraq going for the sake of profiteering, even though it
works against them at the polls?

Twisted logic, IMHO.

But I too would be thrilled if the great Iraq experiment works. If
and when it does, there's nothing to keep it from spreading to the
rest of the region - and that can't be a bad thing unless you're a
terrorist.

My server dropped Greg's reply (assume to my post?), so I never saw it. RW
conspiracy?

Bill "prolly just paranoid" S.

Quoted message said:

Mark Hickey said:

G.T. said:

I'm as left as they get and I'd be thrilled if all Iraqis sat down
and said they'd settle their differences and that they didn't need
our interference any more and that our troops could come home by the
4th of July. But I know the war mongering, controlling right wing
would never have that since there is still profit to be made.

So you're saying that the "right" is going to work to keep the
opposition in Iraq going for the sake of profiteering, even though it
works against them at the polls?

It'll make them a helluva lot more money than, goodness forbid, another
4 years of those scary [censored].

Greg
--
Destroy your safe and happy lives
Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

Mark Hickey said:

S o r n i said:

G.T. said:

sittingduck wrote:
>>
> Grand Old Pleasure-Seekers Head for the Republican Convention
>
> By Mark Sage, PA News, in New York
>
> As New York gears up for the Republican Convention, escort agencies
> in the city are preparing for a boom in business.
>
> Thousands of Republicans, including President George Bush, will
> descend on the city for the pre-election rally on August 30.
>
> As will call girls and escorts, arriving in force to supply the
> anticipated spike in demand from delegates.
>

Yes, the right in one word: HYPOCRITES.

Pretty big stretch, even for you, Greg. Any hookers heading to the
DemFest next month?!?

Naaaah, Teddy Kennedy's got 'em all booked. ;-)

Hope they all can swim.

Bill "let's drown this thread" S.

S o r n i said:

Quoted message said:

Naaaah, Teddy Kennedy's got 'em all booked. ;-)

Hope they all can swim.

Bill "let's drown this thread" S.

YIPPEEE! I am the 10,000th poster in this thread!!!!

Do I get a prize?

cv

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:26:24 -0700, Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> from

Habanero Cycles said:

So you're saying that the "right" is going to work to keep the
opposition in Iraq going for the sake of profiteering, even though it
works against them at the polls?

How is that, since the corporate right owns both parties? Bush wins, so ddo
they. Kerry wins, so do they.

--
Kevan Smith
[email hidden]

G.T. said:

Quoted message said:

Mark Hickey said:

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm as left as they get and I'd be thrilled if all Iraqis sat down
>and said they'd settle their differences and that they didn't need
>our interference any more and that our troops could come home by the
>4th of July. But I know the war mongering, controlling right wing
>would never have that since there is still profit to be made.

So you're saying that the "right" is going to work to keep the
opposition in Iraq going for the sake of profiteering, even though it
works against them at the polls?

It'll make them a helluva lot more money than, goodness forbid, another
4 years of those scary [censored].

Why doesn't Kerry just give the ~$200M he's raised to them then?
Maybe he can buy 'em off... ;-)

Here's a question for you... say you wake up and you're the president
of the US (if that happens, I move - but that's another thread).
Anyway you know you're set for life - you're the most powerful person
on the planet, and when you can retire you can write lousy books that
will still sell like hotcakes.

However, you're going to be under a microscope, and every time you
burp in public your political enemies are going to run it up the flag
pole. This is going to happen even after you leave office.

Now under those circumstances, why in the world would you really worry
about taking the chance of public humiliation, disgrace and the loss
of future income (not to mention prison time) by trying to accept
bribery from a huge government contractor like Halliburton? You
wouldn't even be able to spend the money since your finances are
public knowledge, and spending more than you make will be pretty
obvious (kinda like John Kerry borrowing $6M on "his" house, but
that's legit - just not really "his" house).

Just curious...

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame