Ideas for my end to vegetarianism



Leadfoot saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us all
about it on Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:48:45 GMT:

>I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years. I have
>forgotten what "meat" tastes like, however my body has been
>craving it for nearly a year. I decide it is time to put an
>end to it. I will see however that I am still somewhat
>nervous over the madcow(no flames), so I am looking for
>either lamb or bison to include in my diet. I do believe
>both of those do not suffer from "mad cow". I can not
>decide between a good rack of lamb or a bison steak to end
>my streak. Comments?
>
I'd suggest a small chicken fillet (buy it pre-sliced for
stir-fry if you don't want to handle the raw meat) cooked
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Mpoconnor7 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Go out to a nice restaurant and get yourself the 22oz
> >> cut of Prime Rib with au jus and horseradish sauce.

> I would start small with the meat portion and work your
> way up. Your body will not be used to eating meat and
> if you tried to eat a large piece of meat it would make
> you sick. I would start with something simple like a
> some browned

This is good advice! Long time vegetarians who start eating
meat do not have the right set of bacteria in their gut to
break down and handle the meat proteins. It is fairly common
for vegetarians who start eating meat for the first time to
have stomach problems for a few days till the microflora
populations in the stomach adjust to the new situation.

Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va.
 
On 16 Mar 2004 00:21:01 GMT, [email protected] (Mpoconnor7)
wrote:

>>> Go out to a nice restaurant and get yourself the 22oz
>>> cut of Prime Rib with au jus and horseradish sauce.
>
>I can't stand horseradish sauce. I have found that I prefer
>Sour Cream as a dip for Prime Rib.

I liked the butter idea - I butter my steaks (and
hamburgers) a lot. Two different kinds of fats from the same
animal. What could be better?

Ironic that kosher laws don't allow it, even though its the
same animal.

-sw
 
Steve Wertz wrote:

> I liked the butter idea - I butter my steaks (and
> hamburgers) a lot. Two different kinds of fats from the
> same animal. What could be better?
>
> Ironic that kosher laws don't allow it, even though its
> the same animal.

And yet you can fry a piece of chicken in egg. It's a piece
of kashrut that I just can't get my head around.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Wertz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 16 Mar 2004 00:21:01 GMT, [email protected]
> (Mpoconnor7) wrote:
>
> >>> Go out to a nice restaurant and get yourself the 22oz
> >>> cut of Prime Rib with au jus and horseradish sauce.
> >
> >I can't stand horseradish sauce. I have found that I
> >prefer Sour Cream as a dip for Prime Rib.
>
> I liked the butter idea - I butter my steaks (and
> hamburgers) a lot. Two different kinds of fats from the
> same animal. What could be better?
>
> Ironic that kosher laws don't allow it, even though its
> the same animal.
>
> -sw

Screw the whole Kosher animal thing...

oh nevermind. ;-P

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Leadfoot" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years. I have
> forgotten what "meat" tastes like, however my body has
> been craving it for nearly a year. I decide it is time to
> put an end to it. I will see however that I am still
> somewhat nervous over the madcow(no flames), so I am
> looking for either lamb or bison to include in my diet. I
> do believe both of those do not suffer from "mad cow". I
> can not decide between a good rack of lamb or a bison
> steak to end my streak. Comments?

I'd eat whatever you wanted, but I'd take a smaller
portion. A friend of mine was vegetarian for a long time
and found herself craving steak, so she had one, a small
one. She isn't veggie anymore. I think most of the talk
about ex-veggies getting sick from meat has to do with
gorging themselves more than the meat, and there's the
psychological aspect if one has trained oneself to think
of meat eating as barbaric, cruel, wrong.

Regards, Ranee

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>I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years. I have
>forgotten what "meat" tastes like, however my body has been
>craving it for nearly a year. I decide it is time to put an
>end to it.

I've been a vegetarian until recently; it lasted 6 years for
me (of which I was a vegan for the last 3 years). However, I
also got some kind of cravings. First it was for fish, so I
added that to my diet, but not a big amount at once. I
thought that would be fine, but then I begun to crave meat,
and it wouldn't stop; so I've begun to add game meat to my
diet. The first time I had meat, after 6 years, I bought
some frozen, thinly sliced, mixed game-meat and fried it up
with plenty of vegetables. It felt a bit odd, even though I
had eaten fish for a while, but having mixed it with plenty
of vegetables, and not having that much meat in one meal, it
went fine. I imagine game meat to be safe.

I agree with the people who advice you to take a small
amount of meat when you start, as it will be easiest on
your stomach.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Leadfoot" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years. I have
>forgotten what "meat" tastes like, however my body has been
>craving it for nearly a year. I decide it is time to put an
>end to it. I will see however that I am still somewhat
>nervous over the madcow(no flames), so I am looking for
>either lamb or bison to include in my diet. I do believe
>both of those do not suffer from "mad cow". I can not
>decide between a good rack of lamb or a bison steak to end
>my streak. Comments?

In-n-out burger. Friend of mine was a vegetarian. He went
with his mom to In-n-out and is no longer a vegetarian.

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the same level of thinking we were at when we created them.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Laura"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I would think something lighter, like chicken or perhaps
> another poultry would be more pleasing to your
> palate...no?

Why? If she seems to want red meat, it would suit her
palate most likely.

Regards, Ranee

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In article <[email protected]>, Mark Thorson
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Of all the things I pity the observant Jew for missing,
> bacon is number one on the list. Imagine going through an
> entire lifetime without eating bacon! That would be like
> never knowing what chocolate is like! There's just no
> substitute for either one! (And yes, I've tried beef bacon
> -- it's good, but it's not bacon, no more than carob can
> be considered a substitute for chocolate!)

I remember reading in a mystery book that the main
character felt it was her Christian duty to eat up as
much bacon as possible to keep her Jewish brethren from
temptation. :)

Regards, Ranee

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"Ranee Mueller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "Leadfoot" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years. I have
> > forgotten what "meat" tastes like, however my body has
> > been craving it for nearly a year. I decide it is time
> > to put an end to it. I will see however that I am still
> > somewhat nervous over the madcow(no flames), so I am
> > looking for either lamb or bison to include in my diet.
> > I do believe both of those do not suffer from "mad cow".
> > I can not decide between a good rack of lamb or a bison
> > steak to end my streak. Comments?
>
> I'd eat whatever you wanted, but I'd take a smaller
> portion. A friend of mine was vegetarian for a long
> time and found herself craving steak, so she had one, a
> small one. She isn't veggie anymore. I think most of
> the talk about ex-veggies getting sick from meat has to
> do with gorging themselves more than the meat, and
> there's the psychological aspect if one has trained
> oneself to think of meat eating as barbaric, cruel,
> wrong.
>

You can get safe beef. For example, Whole Foods sells beef
that has beef fed an all-grain diet. Without animal
byproducts in the feed, mad cow cannot be passed along.

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MEow <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Leadfoot of
> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net said:> I've
> been a vegetarian until recently; it lasted 6 years for
> me (of which I was a vegan for the last 3 years).
> However, I also got some kind of cravings. First it was
> for fish, so I added that to my diet, but not a big
> amount at once. I thought that would be fine, but then I
> begun to crave meat, and it wouldn't stop; so I've begun
> to add game meat to my diet. The first time I had meat,
> after 6 years, I bought some frozen, thinly sliced, mixed
> game-meat and fried it up with plenty of vegetables. It
> felt a bit odd, even though I had eaten fish for a while,
> but having mixed it with plenty of vegetables, and not
> having that much meat in one meal, it went fine. I
> imagine game meat to be safe.
>

You imagine wrong. Game is susceptible to a disease related
to BSE -- chronic wasting disease: <http://www.cwd-
info.org/>

-bwg
 
actually I meant more pleasing to her digestion. Red meat is
the hardest to digest for me..

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"Ranee Mueller" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I would think something lighter, like chicken or perhaps
> > another poultry would be more pleasing to your
> > palate...no?
>
> Why? If she seems to want red meat, it would suit her
> palate most likely.
>
> Regards, Ranee
>
> --
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> man." Acts 17:24
 
In article <[email protected]>, Mateo <[email protected]> wrote:

> And yet you can fry a piece of chicken in egg. It's a
> piece of kashrut that I just can't get my head around.

This was something I always wondered about. I wonder why
a chicken with egg is okay and meat with milk isn't? The
biblical injunction is simply not to boil a kid in its
mother's milk, so it is the rabbinical interpretations
that have come up with the rest, but I don't quite get
it.

Regards, Ranee

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In rec.food.cooking, Mateo <[email protected]> wrote:

> And yet you can fry a piece of chicken in egg. It's a
> piece of kashrut that I just can't get my head around.

What's to get your head around? Do you think any of it
makes a lick of sense? You're dealing with medieval
interpretations of bronze-age fairy tales about
supernatural beings.

Do you have your head arond the prohibition of linsey-
woolsey?

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Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Mateo
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And yet you can fry a piece of chicken in egg. It's a
> > piece of kashrut that I just can't get my head around.
>
> This was something I always wondered about. I wonder
> why a chicken with egg is okay and meat with milk
> isn't? The biblical injunction is simply not to boil a
> kid in its mother's milk, so it is the rabbinical
> interpretations that have come up with the rest, but I
> don't quite get
> it.
>
> Regards, Ranee
>

Probably because an egg isn't a 'child'. An egg with an
embryo or even a blood spot in it isn't kosher; an observant
Jew wouldn't eat it. An unfertilised egg wouldn't cause a
problem as no 'child' has formed.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Arri London <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Ranee Mueller wrote:
> >
> > This was something I always wondered about. I wonder
> > why a chicken with egg is okay and meat with milk
> > isn't? The biblical injunction is simply not to boil
> > a kid in its mother's milk, so it is the rabbinical
> > interpretations that have come up with the rest, but
> > I don't quite get
> > it.
> >
>
> Probably because an egg isn't a 'child'. An egg with an
> embryo or even a blood spot in it isn't kosher; an
> observant Jew wouldn't eat it. An unfertilised egg
> wouldn't cause a problem as no 'child' has formed.

Right, but milk isn't mother or child. That's what
confuses me.

Regards, Ranee

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In rec.food.cooking, Arri London <[email protected]> wrote:

> An egg with an embryo or even a blood spot in it isn't
> kosher; an observant Jew wouldn't eat it. An unfertilised
> egg wouldn't cause a problem as no 'child' has formed.

Now THAT makes sense. You have to wait until it hatches
before you can kill it.

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Ranee Mueller wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Arri London
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ranee Mueller wrote:
> > >
> > > This was something I always wondered about. I
> > > wonder why a chicken with egg is okay and meat with
> > > milk isn't? The biblical injunction is simply not
> > > to boil a kid in its mother's milk, so it is the
> > > rabbinical interpretations that have come up with
> > > the rest, but I don't quite get
> > > it.
> > >
> >
> > Probably because an egg isn't a 'child'. An egg with an
> > embryo or even a blood spot in it isn't kosher; an
> > observant Jew wouldn't eat it. An unfertilised egg
> > wouldn't cause a problem as no 'child' has formed.
>
> Right, but milk isn't mother or child. That's what
> confuses me.
>
> Regards, Ranee
>
> --

You were questioning why chicken with egg was OK and not
cooking a kid in its mother's milk. The original prohibition
was not to cook a kid in it's mother's milk. That is handed
down as a given. One could call it the ultimate cruelty to
cook a child in its mother's
milk.

But superimposing 'health' concerns or anything else on top
of a 'revelation' is pointless.
 
[email protected] wrote:
>
> In rec.food.cooking, Arri London <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > An egg with an embryo or even a blood spot in it isn't
> > kosher; an observant Jew wouldn't eat it. An
> > unfertilised egg wouldn't cause a problem as no 'child'
> > has formed.
>
> Now THAT makes sense. You have to wait until it hatches
> before you can kill it.
>
>

Exactly. A grown chicken raised traditionally at least has a
chance of running away or defending itself.
 
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