thecyclist said:Should there be an asterisk next to his win?
tcklyde said:Do you think it is possible that ANYONE who wins the Vuelta will be clean?
Might as well put an asterisk next to most of the riders in the race.
It is not necessarily because he is doping, but because he received speciel treatment from the spanish authorities. If Basso and Ullrich were also allowed to keep racing despite their involvement in puerto, they would have beaten him easily.tcklyde said:Do you think it is possible that ANYONE who wins the Vuelta will be clean?
Yes, finally someone sees the light.thecyclist said:It is not necessarily because he is doping, but because he received speciel treatment from the spanish authorities. If Basso and Ullrich were also allowed to keep racing despite their involvement in puerto, they would have beaten him easily.
Not many of those in the top 20 of any GT.rocko said:Or easier still would be to put an asterisk next to the clean riders.
Huh? Armstrong is not exactly a sprinter, and Valverde, just like Cunego, is pretty much unbeatable in an uphill sprint. Besides, everyone knows that Armstrong was on twice as much gear as everyone else and retroactive testing proved it.bobke said:No one sprints past Lance on a mountain top finish (Valv on Courch) without extra help.
Everyone will walk with the exception of Hamilton, who the UCI just wants to stick it to, and possibly the athletes who were video taped.bobke said:And the corollary to this finding that the Spanish are favoring Valverde would be the converse, why Tyler's diary is pulished on the internet but Basso and Jan may walk.
i doubt that. there were more spanish riders implicated than any other nationality. besides, if they were so concerned with covering up doping why perform the investigation at all? that would seem like a really bad game plan.thecyclist said:It is not necessarily because he is doping, but because he received speciel treatment from the spanish authorities. If Basso and Ullrich were also allowed to keep racing despite their involvement in puerto, they would have beaten him easily.
No this is an old thread from last year. It is relevant again after Contadoper, Discovery and the spanish goverment executed the greatest swindle in sporting history.Maison said:Ahhh, thecyclist has turned his obsession to another target. Tired of waging your bullshirt war against Disco and not getting the responses you want?
Oh, so you bumped it because your incessant and obsessive whining wasn't getting enough attention. Thanks for explaining. Carry on.thecyclist said:No this is an old thread from last year. It is relevant again after Contadoper, Discovery and the spanish goverment executed the greatest swindle in sporting history.
Gawd, you're still on this.? Why don't you give the kid a break !thecyclist said:So Piti didn't win. But there should be an asterisk next to Contadoper's TDF "win".
thecyclist said:I can see there is a lot of Discovery fans here.
Not another discovery/USPS defender. Most people without blinkered views know all about what went on at that team. My gripe is that they seemed to have got away with it where as most if not all of the big GC riders of the past decade got caught.Maison said:House :edited for posting using name Maison
Back to the topic...My impression is that Valv Piti knew that he was being targetted by the testers and didn't entertain certain illicit methods that he might have for last year's Tour had he not crashed out. He might take a shot at the Vuelta (now that Vino is gone) thinking that Unipublic won't be as hard on him as ASO were - problem being it is the UCI who are/were targetting him. At this rate he's the Blank Bullet and not the Green Bullet and he's only ever going to get back to winning ways until he's racing clean against clean.NJK said:Not another discovery/USPS defender. Most people without blinkered views know all about what went on at that team. My gripe is that they seemed to have got away with it where as most if not all of the big GC riders of the past decade got caught.
Agree, this is why the racing has been so erratic. One good day followed an average day. It is another reason to think positive about the future of the sport no matter what the tabloid media might say.Rolfrae said:Back to the topic...My impression is that Valv Piti knew that he was being targetted by the testers and didn't entertain certain illicit methods that he might have for last year's Tour had he not crashed out. He might take a shot at the Vuelta (now that Vino is gone) thinking that Unipublic won't be as hard on him as ASO were - problem being it is the UCI who are/were targetting him. At this rate he's the Blank Bullet and not the Green Bullet and he's only ever going to get back to winning ways until he's racing clean against clean.
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