If you love Christmas, thank a Pagan



Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Greg wrote:
>
> >> Just how heavy-handed does humor have to BE around here?
> >
> > Don't look now, but your "humor" just sank the Bismarck...
>
>
> Oh look, Greg's introducing *****iness into this thread too.


Naw, that's called "light humor", ****...

--
Best
Greg
 
Greg Moron wrote:

>>> Interestingly enough, it is some of these self proclaimed pagans who
>>> have been so combattive and insulting in this (and other) threads.
>>
>> You mean Jill, right? Go ahead, it's okay to say what you really mean:
>> You mean Jill. I can understand Jill's frustration at the way the
>> conversation has turned against her, when all she did was express her
>> disbelief. She also expressed her distaste for some sandwiches (that
>> *I* thought sounded mighty good). Suddenly she's in everybody's
>> gunsights.
>>
>>
>> <highschool>
>> I hate her. She's SUCH a *****! Let's CRUCIFY her!
>> </highschool>
>>
>>
>> <Sheldon>
>> She has a nice rack but she's probably a WOP.
>> </Sheldon>
>
>
> SILENCIO, ****...!!!

I think we're on the same side here, sticking up for Jill, Moron. Maybe
Santa will bring you a shiny new clue for Xmas this year.

Bob
 
zxcvbob wrote:
> -L. wrote:
>
> So, can you tell me why you hold Ranee to such higher standards than you
> obviously do yourself?
>
> Best regards,
> Bob

I'm not the one parading around pretending to be a "Christian".
-L.
 
**** TWERPwilliger SQUAWKS::

> Greg Moron wrote:
>
> >>> Interestingly enough, it is some of these self proclaimed pagans who
> >>> have been so combattive and insulting in this (and other) threads.
> >>
> >> You mean Jill, right? Go ahead, it's okay to say what you really mean:
> >> You mean Jill. I can understand Jill's frustration at the way the
> >> conversation has turned against her, when all she did was express her
> >> disbelief. She also expressed her distaste for some sandwiches (that
> >> *I* thought sounded mighty good). Suddenly she's in everybody's
> >> gunsights.
> >>
> >>
> >> <highschool>
> >> I hate her. She's SUCH a *****! Let's CRUCIFY her!
> >> </highschool>
> >>
> >>
> >> <Sheldon>
> >> She has a nice rack but she's probably a WOP.
> >> </Sheldon>
> >
> >
> > SILENCIO, ****...!!!
>
> I think we're on the same side here, sticking up for Jill, Moron. Maybe
> Santa will bring you a shiny new clue for Xmas this year.


And when I get it I'll magickally convert it into a toy and shove into
yer cage so's you'll have something to peck at...

--
Best
Greg
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, ms_peacock wrote:

> (top posting because it's just too good to snip)
>
> Damn, that was funny. I think you've pretty much nailed it.
>
> Ms P

Thanks!

Elaine,too



> "Elaine Parrish" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17 Dec 2005 [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >> X-No-archive: yes
> >> GQ wrote:
> >> > The upper-class followers of the Persian god Mithra celebrated his
> >> > birthday on Dec. 25, the ''Birth of the Unconquerable Sun.''
> >>
> >> There is very little if any evidence for this in the historical record,
> >> however.
> >>
> >> The idea that modern Christmas has pagan origins is not true, in our
> >> culture at least.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Roger Pearse
> >>
> >>
> >
> > And you're living on which planet? In which universe? In what Christian
> > culture? Unless, of course, you are a monk living on a mountain...
> >
> > I guess we should define "modern Christmas". Santa Claus - the jolly ole
> > elf in a red and white suit with a big sleigh and eight tiny reindeer and
> > a big, ol' onate chair in every mall - Rudolph the Red-nosed reindeer;
> > tall green tree with lights, balls, tinsel; cards, candy,lawn
> > ornaments; wrapped packages given to friends and family; chestnuts
> > roasting on an open fire, plum pudding, big, gluttonous meals, Tiny Tim
> > and the Christmas Ghosts... Any of this ring a bell?
> >
> > All of this must be in the Bible my dad reads. You know that one that
> > he swears says , "Thou shalt not buy a new car!"
> >
> > Could you give me the Bible verses that outline the "Christian" elements
> > that I stated above, please?
> >
> > I have read the Bible and I am a Christian and have been for "nigh on 50
> > years" but I can't clearly remember the "modern Christmas" version from
> > the Bible.
> >
> > Let me see... Maybe it will come back to me.
> >
> > Ok. The government ordered everybody to report to certain places to be
> > assessed their fair share of taxes. Joseph and his pregnant wife, Mary,
> > went. He walked leading her ass behind him. When they got there, everybody
> > was there. Oh, yeah, all those people had brought a covered dish and they
> > were having a big dinner and singing "Jingle Bells". Mary needed to get
> > off her ass and lie down because she was tired and very pregnant. Joseph
> > had not called ahead for reservations and the Inn was full, but the
> > innkeeper offered up the manager, which had been built under a big, tall
> > green tree sprouting colored lights, glass balls, and gold tinsel. (I know
> > this is true because I have seen it many times in church).
> >
> > The shepards were out in the dark tending their sheep and roasting
> > chestnuts on an open fire while they had a little plum pudding - that they
> > washed down with a little egg nog - and read
> > the cards everyone had sent them. Then Rudolph, with his nose so bright,
> > lit up the night sky so everyone could be alerted that Mary had had her
> > baby as he delivered Santa Claus and the ghost of Christmas Past and the
> > Ghost of Christmas Present to the manger with all the gifts.
> >
> > The big dinner was long over. The men were sprawled out in their easy
> > chairs with their loins ungirded snoozing a bit and the women were washing
> > the dishes and putting away the food. One man - a really awful man named
> > Scrooge - went to bed early. His house was sooo quiet nothing was
> > stirring, not even a mouse. But it was not to be a peaceful night. He
> > had the misfortune of being haunted by the three Christmas
> > ghosts. The last ghost, the Ghost of Christmas Future - named Santa
> > Claus, arrived through
> > the chimney without getting a speck of dirt on his red and white suit.
> > Scrooge was so terrified until he saw how jolly this old elf was. After
> > the ho ho hoes, Santa explained to Scrooge that unless he changed his
> > ways, there would be no more Christmas. He told Scrooge to gather the
> > merchants
> > and tell them to put up decorations in their windows the week after
> > Halloween and to spread the word about this wonderful night when Santa
> > can come to everybody's house - if all the people will just get out and
> > buy everything. Scrooge listened intently as he was told of all the riches
> > to be had and vowed to spread the word. With that, Santa demanded milk and
> > cookies. After he'd had his snack and said some more ho ho hoes, he put
> > his finger along side his nose... and pouf, he was gone. But Scrooge heard
> > him exclaim, as he flew out of sight:
> > Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight!
> >
> > sheesh.
> >
> > Elaine, too
> >
>
>
>
 
Greg Moron wrote:

>> I think we're on the same side here, sticking up for Jill, Moron. Maybe
>> Santa will bring you a shiny new clue for Xmas this year.
>
> And when I get it I'll magickally convert it into a toy and shove into
> yer cage so's you'll have something to peck at...

No, no, Moronchik, you need to KEEP that clue, because you're currently
devoid of anything which bears even a remote resemblance to it. When the
orderly who wipes the drool from your chin comes around, maybe you can ask
her to explain its value and how to use it.

Being unmarried and fairly well-to-do, I've already got all the toys I want.

Bob
 
On 18 Dec 2005 16:55:40 -0800, "aem" <[email protected]> rummaged
among random neurons and opined:

>Go get a novel called "Lamb" by Christopher Moore. It's about the
>missing years between Jesus's childhood and his return. Really, really
>funny. -aem

OMG, I became a huge Christopher Moore fan with this book about
"Jesus' childhood pal, Biff." Read everything he has printed, some
better than others, but all amusing. With the possible exception of
"Blood Sucking Fiends." And for sheer entertainment, watch the DVD of
"Dogma." Absolutely hilarious.

OB: SoCal people - do not ever, ever go to a pub in San Clemente
called Molly Bloom's. Gawdawful.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:

> A truly "spiritual" person should be so secure in their beliefs that
> they should not have to inflict their beliefs on others or be yammering
> on about it. No different than being an ex -smoker, a vegan, a
> Republican, or an ex - alky, if you are secure there is no need to be
> constantly bringng the subject up and berating others...

That'd be me then.
Please stop stereotyping pagans.
It's not fair.

>
> In the long run Pagans and their ilk are harmless bOObs - at least they
> aren't dangerous motherf*cking Muslims....

My boobs are anything but harmless thank you. ;-)

Cheers!

>
> --
> Best
> Greg
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > The Pagans I've encountered are just about the stupidest persons I've
> > > ever known...they fall into the "New Age" category and IMNSHO that
> > > should re - named the "Moron" category...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best
> > > Greg "I think it's time to get re - birthed..."
> >
> > <snork> I know what you mean...
> >
> > I am pagan myself, but, like any "fad" religion, we get our share of
> > nutcases as well.
>
>
> I apologize if I offended, it's the clueless "faddists" that have made
> major pests of themselves in my life as of late...

Thank you. ;-)

>
>
> > Oddly enough, I've met more quack x-tians than I have quack pagans tho'.
>
>
> They even have teevee channels devoted to them I hear ;---p

I don't watch Television anymore...

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:14:43 -0600, Pan Ohco <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 19 Dec 2005 10:26:03 -0600, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>
>>>> Do you feel the same way about the Jesus-fish? Same idea of abbreviation.
>>>>
>>> Bob the fish was also a sign, between christians, during persecutions
>>> in the roman times. Pretty much gang signs in early A.D.
>>
>>*sigh* Yes, I know. You failed to address the fact that it's an
>>ABBREVIATION. Pan, the Greek word for fish is spelled
>>iota-chi-theta-upsilon-sigma. In the arcana of the early Christians as well
>>as those espousing the Jesus-fish today, the "chi" stands for "Christ."
>>(http://www.ichthys.com/ichthys_explanation.htm) So it seems to me that
>>using "X" to denote Jesus is just as respectful or disrespectful as using a
>>Jesus-fish. I was asking how YOU felt about that. I thought my post made
>>that clear.
>
>*Sigh* No you didn't make that clear.
>I feel that the fish is fine. Now if you feel that there is no
>difference between 3/400 A.D. and today *sigh*. You tell me that most
>people,on the street,know that Chi = Christ and Chi = x .
>And tell me that most people didn't use X=Christ until say 20 years
>ago, and that they used it because X = Chi.
>>
>>(Besides, Buddha doesn't care if you call him "B-man." Indifference is one
>>of the highest goals in Buddhism.)
> And if I met Buddha he would laugh, but his adherents might not.
>>Bob
>>
I am sorry but it sounds to me like you take inference from something
just because you don't personally like it not because of what it truly
is. Is this correct?

GQ
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:27:02 -0800, Ranee Mueller
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> GQ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Judging from recent columns and letters, it seems many readers believe
>> Christians were the first to have the idea of a midwinter holiday.
>> It's time to set the record straight.
>
> No, they were the first to come up with a holiday commemorating the
>birth of Christ. Perhaps this is the misunderstanding?
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
>Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.
>
>"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
>http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
>http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/

But many Christians are saying otherwise. It is not a misunderstanding
at all. I know that Jesus was not born in Decemeber and I know that
the Christmas Tree is really a Yule Tree and I know that the reason
the early Christians took these Pagan holidays was because they wanted
any way possible to get more converts for the money and land. Not too
much different than these days actually.
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:30:51 -0800, Ranee Mueller
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Pan Ohco <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bob the fish was also a sign, between christians, during persecutions
>> in the roman times. Pretty much gang signs in early A.D.
>
> The X (Chi) was not a sign of disrespect. I have a cross, for
>instance with the Chi Rho in it, for Christus Rex. It's not a symbol of
>disrespect, never was, the early Christians used that Chi much like they
>used that fish.

Very true.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
>Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.
>
>"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
>http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
>http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:35:52 -0800, Ranee Mueller
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But of course no
>> one can prove canonically, biblically or secularly that JESUS ever actually
>> existed, either.
>
I think this is actually not true. Thenplease showing us all the
actual proof beyond any shadow of any doubt that he did live. I
personally believe he did exist but please show us the absolute proof.
>
> As for the rest, if you are actually a pagan, and not an agnostic or
>atheist, then I don't see how virgin birth or resurrection or any other
>story in the Bible is any more incredible than the earth being formed by
>birth waters of a pagan god or spirits living in trees or any other
>pagan system.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
>Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.
>
>"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
>http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
>http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:38:57 -0800, Ranee Mueller
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> GQ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Unfortuately that seems to be the case for a goodly portion of them
>> but there are true Pagans that people would not even know because they
>> just live their lives without belittling others and without bothering
>> others.
>
> Interestingly enough, it is some of these self proclaimed pagans who
>have been so combattive and insulting in this (and other) threads.

Not really. I also see plenty of combative Christians in here but I
see they don't bother you. hmmmmmm
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
>Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.
>
>"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
>http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
>http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:55:42 -0600, zxcvbob <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Kate B wrote:
>
>> "Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to send" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>It was Golden Gate University in San Francisco, about 25 years ago.
>>>
>>>Kate B wrote:
>>>
>>>>What are you talking about and please identify the "secular" college
>>
>> that
>>
>>>>had text books that taught that the Roman Empire was operating with the
>>>>Roman Catholic church as its guiding light? Christianity was not
>>
>> exactly
>>
>>>>popular during the empire building era of ancient Rome. While I agree
>>
>> with
>>
>>>>what Peter Aitken said what you contributed is pure and utter BS.
>>>
>> I was crabby in my reply but can you honestly believe that Golden Gate
>> University selected text books that opined as you stated:
>>
>>
>>>"My secular history textbook at a secular college
>>>said that the reason why the Roman Empire made such phenomenal conquests
>>>is that they would incorporate the pagan religious customs of each group
>>> into some Roman Catholic ritual(s) in order to more easily attract
>>>them so they could be more easily conquered. If you think about it, it
>>>was a really intelligent way to assimilate them." ????
>>
>>
>> Are you, perhaps, just "mis-remembering" what you were supposed to have
>> learned 25 years ago: i.e. That the Roman Empire was more than happy to
>> accept the traditions of conquered folks and adapt them to "meld" with
>> whatever they felt needed to be part and parcel of being a "new Roman".?
>> This had nothing to do with "Roman Catholic" rituals. The first Roman
>> Emperor that embraced "Christianity" was Constantine and he wasn't baptised
>> until shortly before his death in 327 a.d. (reminder, BTW, he was the
>> Emperor who moved the capital of Rome from Rome to Constanople and let's not
>> mention the false decretals like the "donation of Constantine"). The Roman
>> Empire, at least in the west, didn't long survive that move. You do recall
>> the sack of Rome and the so-called beginning of the "dark ages"? Probably
>> not. Never mind!
>>
>> Kate
>>
>
>
>Y'all are confusing the Roman Empire (Caesar, etc.) with the Holy Roman
>Empire (Charlemagne, etc).
>
>Bob

I think you are right about that.
 
On 19 Dec 2005 16:29:13 -0800, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>GQ wrote:
>
>> On 17 Dec 2005 09:03:28 -0800, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >The Pagans I've encountered are just about the stupidest persons I've
>> >ever known...they fall into the "New Age" category and IMNSHO that
>> >should re - named the "Moron" category...
>>
>> Unfortuately that seems to be the case for a goodly portion of them
>> but there are true Pagans that people would not even know because they
>> just live their lives without belittling others and without bothering
>> others.
>
>
>All too true. Virtually every pagan I've encountered has to make a big
>deal out of their beliefs, how "enlightened" they are and such. Not to
>mention all the claptrapped baggage that they carry around, e.g. "re -
>birthing", healing crystals, "past lives", how "everything that has
>existed since the beginning of time exists in me", how their souls all
>emanated from Alpha Centauri or wherever...I mean why not just smoke a
>joint and eat a big box of Ding - Dongs and mellow out, it's a LOT more
>productive use of yer time.
>
>Come to think they are no different than the hysterical adherents of
>most of other belief systems...they just stick out more I guess for
>their sheer ridiculousness.
>
>A truly "spiritual" person should be so secure in their beliefs that
>they should not have to inflict their beliefs on others or be yammering
>on about it. No different than being an ex -smoker, a vegan, a
>Republican, or an ex - alky, if you are secure there is no need to be
>constantly bringng the subject up and berating others...
>
>In the long run Pagans and their ilk are harmless bOObs - at least they
>aren't dangerous motherf*cking Muslims....

And far too many Christians feel the need to "save" me and I find them
to be, for the most part that is, harmless boobs also. I agree about
what you say about being secure about your religion but you don't seem
to think the same thing holds true for Christians. Look at the way
many have acted in here. I have not seen anything bad from any Pagan
in here when you compare it to the what some of the Xtians have
posted. I really think that you love stereotyping all too much. As far
as myself. I have many Xtian friends and they respect me and my
religion. Far too many on the internet think their religion is the end
all to be all. But guess what? I think of Xtianity as nothing more
than a cult.

GQ
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:40:08 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A truly "spiritual" person should be so secure in their beliefs that
>> they should not have to inflict their beliefs on others or be yammering
>> on about it. No different than being an ex -smoker, a vegan, a
>> Republican, or an ex - alky, if you are secure there is no need to be
>> constantly bringng the subject up and berating others...
>
>That'd be me then.
>Please stop stereotyping pagans.
>It's not fair.

Yes, I just posted to him how he loves to stereotype a religion he
seems to not understand.
>
>>
>> In the long run Pagans and their ilk are harmless bOObs - at least they
>> aren't dangerous motherf*cking Muslims....
>
>My boobs are anything but harmless thank you. ;-)
>
>Cheers!
>
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg
 
On 19 Dec 2005 16:39:43 -0800, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > The Pagans I've encountered are just about the stupidest persons I've
>> > ever known...they fall into the "New Age" category and IMNSHO that
>> > should re - named the "Moron" category...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best
>> > Greg "I think it's time to get re - birthed..."
>>
>> <snork> I know what you mean...
>>
>> I am pagan myself, but, like any "fad" religion, we get our share of
>> nutcases as well.
>
>
>I apologize if I offended, it's the clueless "faddists" that have made
>major pests of themselves in my life as of late...

I could understand that but plenty people of different religions make
pests of themselves.
>
>
>> Oddly enough, I've met more quack x-tians than I have quack pagans tho'.
>
>
>They even have teevee channels devoted to them I hear ;---p

You are sooooo right.
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:54:26 -0600, Elaine Parrish <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
>On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, ms_peacock wrote:
>
>> (top posting because it's just too good to snip)
>>
>> Damn, that was funny. I think you've pretty much nailed it.
>>
>> Ms P
>
>Thanks!
>
>Elaine,too

Elaine also.
>
>
>
>> "Elaine Parrish" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:p[email protected]...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 17 Dec 2005 [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >> X-No-archive: yes
>> >> GQ wrote:
>> >> > The upper-class followers of the Persian god Mithra celebrated his
>> >> > birthday on Dec. 25, the ''Birth of the Unconquerable Sun.''
>> >>
>> >> There is very little if any evidence for this in the historical record,
>> >> however.
>> >>
>> >> The idea that modern Christmas has pagan origins is not true, in our
>> >> culture at least.
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >>
>> >> Roger Pearse
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > And you're living on which planet? In which universe? In what Christian
>> > culture? Unless, of course, you are a monk living on a mountain...
>> >
>> > I guess we should define "modern Christmas". Santa Claus - the jolly ole
>> > elf in a red and white suit with a big sleigh and eight tiny reindeer and
>> > a big, ol' onate chair in every mall - Rudolph the Red-nosed reindeer;
>> > tall green tree with lights, balls, tinsel; cards, candy,lawn
>> > ornaments; wrapped packages given to friends and family; chestnuts
>> > roasting on an open fire, plum pudding, big, gluttonous meals, Tiny Tim
>> > and the Christmas Ghosts... Any of this ring a bell?
>> >
>> > All of this must be in the Bible my dad reads. You know that one that
>> > he swears says , "Thou shalt not buy a new car!"
>> >
>> > Could you give me the Bible verses that outline the "Christian" elements
>> > that I stated above, please?
>> >
>> > I have read the Bible and I am a Christian and have been for "nigh on 50
>> > years" but I can't clearly remember the "modern Christmas" version from
>> > the Bible.
>> >
>> > Let me see... Maybe it will come back to me.
>> >
>> > Ok. The government ordered everybody to report to certain places to be
>> > assessed their fair share of taxes. Joseph and his pregnant wife, Mary,
>> > went. He walked leading her ass behind him. When they got there, everybody
>> > was there. Oh, yeah, all those people had brought a covered dish and they
>> > were having a big dinner and singing "Jingle Bells". Mary needed to get
>> > off her ass and lie down because she was tired and very pregnant. Joseph
>> > had not called ahead for reservations and the Inn was full, but the
>> > innkeeper offered up the manager, which had been built under a big, tall
>> > green tree sprouting colored lights, glass balls, and gold tinsel. (I know
>> > this is true because I have seen it many times in church).
>> >
>> > The shepards were out in the dark tending their sheep and roasting
>> > chestnuts on an open fire while they had a little plum pudding - that they
>> > washed down with a little egg nog - and read
>> > the cards everyone had sent them. Then Rudolph, with his nose so bright,
>> > lit up the night sky so everyone could be alerted that Mary had had her
>> > baby as he delivered Santa Claus and the ghost of Christmas Past and the
>> > Ghost of Christmas Present to the manger with all the gifts.
>> >
>> > The big dinner was long over. The men were sprawled out in their easy
>> > chairs with their loins ungirded snoozing a bit and the women were washing
>> > the dishes and putting away the food. One man - a really awful man named
>> > Scrooge - went to bed early. His house was sooo quiet nothing was
>> > stirring, not even a mouse. But it was not to be a peaceful night. He
>> > had the misfortune of being haunted by the three Christmas
>> > ghosts. The last ghost, the Ghost of Christmas Future - named Santa
>> > Claus, arrived through
>> > the chimney without getting a speck of dirt on his red and white suit.
>> > Scrooge was so terrified until he saw how jolly this old elf was. After
>> > the ho ho hoes, Santa explained to Scrooge that unless he changed his
>> > ways, there would be no more Christmas. He told Scrooge to gather the
>> > merchants
>> > and tell them to put up decorations in their windows the week after
>> > Halloween and to spread the word about this wonderful night when Santa
>> > can come to everybody's house - if all the people will just get out and
>> > buy everything. Scrooge listened intently as he was told of all the riches
>> > to be had and vowed to spread the word. With that, Santa demanded milk and
>> > cookies. After he'd had his snack and said some more ho ho hoes, he put
>> > his finger along side his nose... and pouf, he was gone. But Scrooge heard
>> > him exclaim, as he flew out of sight:
>> > Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight!
>> >
>> > sheesh.
>> >
>> > Elaine, too
>> >
>>
>>
>>
 
GQ wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:35:52 -0800, Ranee Mueller
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>"jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But of course no
>>>one can prove canonically, biblically or secularly that JESUS ever actually
>>>existed, either.
>>
> I think this is actually not true. Thenplease showing us all the
> actual proof beyond any shadow of any doubt that he did live. I
> personally believe he did exist but please show us the absolute proof.
>


Do you have absolute proof that George Washington existed? Do you have
any doubt that he did exist?

OK, here's an easy one for you; please show us absolute proof that *you*
exist. ;-)

Best regards,
Bob
 
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