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Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Mike, Mar 1, 2004.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm the owner and creator of this dia-log.com. Just to put everyone's worries aside and reply to
    some of the questions posted, I'm a diabetic and designed the site for personal use. I do not sell
    information, I do not solicit any money. I designed the site to help people track their data and
    help manage there lifestyle. I'm listed on Mendosa.com, and many other popular sites.

    I started this site about 5 years ago, with the sole intention of helping everyone for free. My
    intention of posting this is to inform individuals that the site exists. Due to the fact that it is
    financed by me and want to keep this site free, sometimes the only way to get the word out is by
    alternative media like the newsgroups.

    Please feel free to email me with any of your concerns. If you wish to mark this a SPAM, it would be
    unfortunate as it would prohibit the helpfulness it will provide the diabetic.

    Yes, imagine this, the site will always be Free of charge and no information will EVER get sold.
    Please enjoy the site, offer feedback, or choose to ignore this post.

    Mike Boeselager [email protected] www.dia-log.com Owner
     
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  2. Pete

    Pete Guest

    On 1 Mar 2004 19:44:40 -0800, [email protected] (Mike)
    wrote:

    >Hi Everyone, I'm the owner and creator of this dia-log.com. Just to put everyone's worries aside
    >and reply to some of the questions posted, I'm a diabetic and designed the site for personal use. I
    >do not sell information, I do not solicit any money. I designed the site to help people track their
    >data and help manage there lifestyle. I'm listed on Mendosa.com, and many other popular sites.

    >I started this site about 5 years ago, with the sole intention of helping everyone for free. My
    >intention of posting this is to inform individuals that the site exists. Due to the fact that it is
    >financed by me and want to keep this site free, sometimes the only way to get the word out is by
    >alternative media like the newsgroups.

    >Please feel free to email me with any of your concerns. If you wish to mark this a SPAM, it would
    >be unfortunate as it would prohibit the helpfulness it will provide the diabetic.

    >Yes, imagine this, the site will always be Free of charge and no information will EVER get sold.
    >Please enjoy the site, offer feedback, or choose to ignore this post.

    >Mike Boeselager [email protected] www.dia-log.com Owner

    OK fairnuff but...............

    >>http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_technology/software.php

    >>Mike Boeselager created his Dia-Log on the web for entering blood sugars, insulin doses, and foods
    >>by hand. Has some nice custom reports. Price: 30 days free, then $19.95/year.

    Now to me it seems that nobody goes to the trouble and expense of developing a site and then
    offering it for free to a specific group of people for just purely academic reasons.

    If for instance I were to use your site for some time:

    a] I would have substantial private data there which is unsecured and without recourse if that
    information is made available to anyone else.
    b] After 30 days I suppose you could suspend my access pending a fee payment?

    I ask myself what your interest is but given your main empoyment then it is clear you have access to
    the needs of Diabetics but you are not diabetic and nor are you a medical practitioner. So why the
    site? What did you have in mind?

    suspicious? Well yes and I think with very good reason and I am sure you of all people can
    understand that there are a lot of people out there that see a specific group of people like
    diabetics as a customer base - $$$$$ on the hoof.

    Tha fact that you are listed on Mendosa.com means diddly squat. All the links on your site are to
    well known resource facillities and I doubt that you'd be able to do that with impunity unless they
    had agreed. So they know of you and your site. That is no recommendation as to your motive.

    Thee is no thing as a free lunch matey.

    Making money at the expense of someone elses vulnerability especially using knowledge gained in ones
    employment might be seen by that employer and the community at large - as not a very good advert.

    Pete

    Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
    + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen at freeuk.com
     
  3. On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:31:29 +0000, in misc.health.diabetes Pete
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>Now to me it seems that nobody goes to the trouble and
    >>expense of developing a site and then offering it for free
    >>to a specific group of people for just purely academic
    >>reasons.=20

    Pete,

    You're way too cynical. There ARE indeed people in this
    world with a bit= o generosity and willingness to do good
    things for the world without = getting paid. Can't you just
    accept that this might be so?

    I'm another example, though in a different manner. For the
    last seven = years I've been the moderator of an unrelated
    usenet newsgroup = (rec.crafts.jewelry). That is a totally
    volunteer activity, done only for the good of the = jewelry
    craftspeople who find use in the site. I get no money for
    it, and spend anywhere from a half hour to an hour a day
    doing this, as well as having = to spend money for the
    additional internet access requirements required. = Nobody
    pays me for this, though some take the time to say thank
    you. For me, = that's enough.

    The world happens to have a lot of folks in it for just the
    money no = matter what they do, and we all need to be
    careful not to be taken for a ride. And = in this case, no
    doubt your worries about unsecured data in someone elses
    control= is worth worrying about. (though what in the world
    someone else could = possibly do with a record of your blood
    sugars and diet habits, or the like, escapes =
    me). But please try to seperate that valid security concern
    with your cynical assumption that the dialog site must
    automatically be a scam. If you = don't like it, fine.
    Don't use it. Leave it at that. The guy tells us he's
    doing = it for free, and I find nothing there that would
    cause me to not take him at his= word and say thanks.
    It's a nice thing to do.

    Peter Rowe
     
  4. Pete

    Pete Guest

    x - posting removed

    On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:50:22 GMT, Peter W. Rowe
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:31:29 +0000, in misc.health.diabetes
    >Pete <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>Now to me it seems that nobody goes to the trouble and
    >>>expense of developing a site and then offering it for
    >>>free to a specific group of people for just purely
    >>>academic reasons.
    >Pete,

    >You're way too cynical. There ARE indeed people in this
    >world with a bit o generosity and willingness to do good
    >things for the world without getting paid. Can't you just
    >accept that this might be so?

    Perhaps I am too cynical, in certain areas. Yes there are
    many people who do things for the benefit of others and
    without intent upon gaining reward. However, on usenet and
    the web in general, that event is a rarity and IMHO the
    incidence of 'genuine' social generosity of this type is
    rare. Too rare. And I feel you might very well see your way
    to conceeding that.

    >I'm another example, though in a different manner. For the
    >last seven years I've been the moderator of an unrelated
    >usenet newsgroup (rec.crafts.jewelry). That is a totally
    >volunteer activity, done only for the good of the jewelry
    >craftspeople who find use in the site. I get no money for
    >it, and spend anywhere from a half hour to an hour a day
    >doing this, as well as having to spend money for the
    >additional internet access requirements required. Nobody
    >pays me for this, though some take the time to say thank
    >you. For me, that's enough.

    You get pleasure out of doing that. Ergo you get something
    from it. Fine, there is not fiscal motive and I do not
    suggest that is the case but to reiterate - no one does
    something for nothing. That is a basic fact.

    Being Moderator of a NG is not an activity conducive to
    gaining monetary advantage except in the rare and unforseen
    case of advantage gained through RL connections acquired in
    the process. [Be clear I do not imply anything here]

    >The world happens to have a lot of folks in it for just the
    >money no matter what they do, and we all need to be careful
    >not to be taken for a ride.

    > And in this case, no doubt your worries about unsecured
    > data in someone elses control is worth worrying about.
    > (though what in the world someone else could possibly do
    > with a record of your blood sugars and diet habits, or the
    > like, escapes me).

    If the data was extensive enough and gathered over a period
    of time then the information is marketable. I have dificulty
    is seeing the fine points of the market in this area but
    data on a specific group of potential customers is a
    commodity. You should also be aware, I have no doubt, that
    is is not a very dificult task to 'rip' information from a
    site if it is not technically up to the standard needed
    today in this sad world. But this is besides the main point.

    I discovered sufficient evidence to show me that there was a
    potential scam or at the very least 'dubious' business ploy.
    The intent of the author of the software [the web site]
    stated quite clearly that this facillity was for sale. This
    information is available on the web. However, access and use
    is free. In the absence of evidence to the contrary I took
    the view that the following situation could develop.

    A diabetic uses the facility and does so for some
    considerable time, say a year. Though I do admit anyone who
    would do this would be rather silly in the first place.
    Nevertheless there are silly people out there. Three or four
    entries daily for a year is a considerable amount of
    personal data that has value to the user. Now if the owner
    demanded a fee for continuance, on the threat of barring
    access to the site [and the data] the punter would either
    have to pay the fee, enter into an expensive legal battle or
    just accept loss of the data.

    In addition, the so called 'disclaimer' virtually seeks to
    exonerate the site owner from any responsibility for what
    happens to the data entered or how it may be used.

    I took the view that this was not right. At best it was very
    badly produced at worst a clear attempt at making money in a
    manner that I consider to be vile.

    >But please try to seperate that valid security concern with
    >your cynical assumption that the dialog site must
    >automatically be a scam.

    I didn'y 'automatically' decide it was a scam. I did do some
    research before responding as I did.

    > If you don't like it, fine. Don't use it. Leave it
    > at that.

    I do with 99% of the shite I see but every so often its
    worth sending a message. To just do as you suggest all the
    time is tantamount to rolling over belly up and allowing
    these people to assume they can do what the hell they like
    with impunity.

    > The guy tells us he's doing it for free,

    Well come on now, they all say that or at least try to
    indicate as much. The fact he say's 'now' that he does
    it for free - after being prompted to make a statement
    - is fine.

    > and I find nothing there that would cause me to not take
    > him at his word and say thanks. It's a nice thing to do.
    > Peter Rowe

    Well that's fine for you. Did you research to any degree
    before you came to that opinion? In this day and age it is a
    simple fact of life - no matter whether you like it or not -
    that 99% of all that is offered as 'free' is in fact not
    free. I could identify many examples for you that are
    currently rampant in the British public eye every day and
    show clear evidence in writing that would and has withstood
    scrutiny in a court of law. I am also sure you could do the
    same. So please forgive me If I refuse to accept things at
    face value.

    I tend to take events and people at face value until I
    discover evidence that indicates that posture to be unwise.
    Often, the evidence proves not to be definative or
    conclusive and sometimes it does but to accept 'blindly'
    with some altruistic notion I am afraid, though a desirable
    event, is not practical.

    [Since I do not subscribe to the groups x-posted to, I have
    removed them]

    Pete
     
  5. Wes Groleau

    Wes Groleau Guest

    Pete wrote:
    > the web in general, that event is a rarity and IMHO the
    > incidence of 'genuine' social generosity of this type
    > is rare. Too rare. And I feel you might very well see
    > your way

    Maybe it's not pure social generosity. Maybe it does
    something for his ego to think he's doing something
    important. Maybe he feels guilty about something and this is
    his penance. Maybe he's trying to impress someone. And maybe
    he has some financial trick up his sleeve. But maybe not.

    On the other hand, I personally don't like putting someone
    else in charge of my personal data, no matter how
    "altruistic."

    > In addition, the so called 'disclaimer' virtually seeks to
    > exonerate the site owner from any responsibility for what
    > happens to the data entered or how it may be used.

    Can you identify one successful businessman anywhere who
    doesn't know you have to do something like that any time you
    do anything for anybody? As a cynic, you should know someone
    who asks you for something may well just be planning to sue
    you for some alleged deficiency in your free service.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    A pessimist says the glass is half empty.

    An optimist says the glass is half full.

    An engineer says somebody made the glass twice as big as it
    needed to be.
     
  6. Beav

    Beav Guest

    "Wes Groleau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Pete wrote:
    > > the web in general, that event is a rarity and IMHO the
    > > incidence of 'genuine' social generosity of this type
    > > is rare. Too rare. And I feel you might very well see
    > > your way
    >
    > Maybe it's not pure social generosity. Maybe it does
    > something for his ego to think he's doing something
    > important. Maybe he feels guilty about something and this
    > is his penance. Maybe he's trying to impress someone. And
    > maybe he has some financial trick up his sleeve. But
    > maybe not.

    And maybe he just does it because he enjoys his hobby and
    wants others to enjoy it as much as he does. I know that's
    why *I* spend more time in front of the puter answering
    helicopter related questions than I know is good for me, and
    when I'm not on the 'puter, I'm likely to be on the phone.
    All for nothing other than the knowledge that I got someone
    along the road a bit easier and a lot faster than I got
    along it myself.

    Strangely, for some people, money ISN'T the be all and end
    all.

    Beav
     
  7. Ozlover

    Ozlover Guest

    Beav <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > "Wes Groleau" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    >> Pete wrote:
    >> > the web in general, that event is a rarity and IMHO the
    >> > incidence of 'genuine' social generosity of this type
    >> > is rare. Too rare. And I feel you might very well see
    >> > your way
    >>
    >> Maybe it's not pure social generosity. Maybe it does
    >> something for his ego to think he's doing something
    >> important. Maybe he feels guilty about something and this
    >> is his penance. Maybe he's trying to impress someone. And
    >> maybe he has some financial trick up his sleeve. But
    >> maybe not.
    >
    > And maybe he just does it because he enjoys his hobby and
    > wants others to enjoy it as much as he does. I know that's
    > why *I* spend more time in front of the puter answering
    > helicopter related questions than I know is good for me,
    > and when I'm not on the 'puter, I'm likely to be on the
    > phone. All for nothing other than the knowledge that I got
    > someone along the road a bit easier and a lot faster than
    > I got along it myself.
    >
    > Strangely, for some people, money ISN'T the be all and
    > end all.

    Same here, for (other) technical questions (mostly in
    Usenet groups). I enjoy helping others and money is no
    factor at all, other than, like for you, it is *costing*
    me money. This is the typical Usenet spirit, or at least
    it should be. If it can and does work on Usenet, then why
    couldn't it work equally well on the web?

    --
    Frank Slootweg, T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81->69
    kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide
     
  8. Wes Groleau

    Wes Groleau Guest

    Beav wrote:
    > And maybe he just does it because he enjoys his hobby and
    > wants others to enjoy it as much as he does. I know that's
    > why *I* spend ......
    >
    > Strangely, for some people, money ISN'T the be all and
    > end all.

    Right. Though I am a bit cynical myself, even I recognize
    that an "ulterior motive" could be a lot of things other
    than money--one of which is that it just plain feels good to
    help someone out.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?
     
  9. Beav

    Beav Guest

    "Ozlover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Beav <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > "Wes Groleau" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]...
    > >> Pete wrote:
    > >> > the web in general, that event is a rarity and IMHO
    > >> > the incidence of 'genuine' social generosity of this
    > >> > type is rare. Too rare. And I feel you might very
    > >> > well see your way
    > >>
    > >> Maybe it's not pure social generosity. Maybe it does
    > >> something for his ego to think he's doing something
    > >> important. Maybe he feels guilty about something and
    > >> this is his penance. Maybe he's trying to impress
    > >> someone. And maybe he has some financial trick up his
    > >> sleeve. But maybe not.
    > >
    > > And maybe he just does it because he enjoys his hobby
    > > and wants others
    to
    > > enjoy it as much as he does. I know that's why *I* spend
    > > more time in
    front
    > > of the puter answering helicopter related questions than
    > > I know is good
    for
    > > me, and when I'm not on the 'puter, I'm likely to be on
    > > the phone. All
    for
    > > nothing other than the knowledge that I got someone
    > > along the road a bit easier and a lot faster than I got
    > > along it myself.
    > >
    > > Strangely, for some people, money ISN'T the be all and
    > > end all.
    >
    > Same here, for (other) technical questions (mostly in
    > Usenet groups). I enjoy helping others and money is no
    > factor at all, other than, like for you, it is *costing*
    > me money. This is the typical Usenet spirit, or at least
    > it should be. If it can and does work on Usenet, then
    > why couldn't it work equally well on the web?

    It probably could Frank, but with the amount of spam being
    flown across the web, and the number of people who DO live
    only for the material things, it's not surprising that
    there's an element of suspicion these days.

    Shame really, but what to do?

    Beav

    >
    > --
    > Frank Slootweg, T2, 57y, Diag 4/2000, weightloss (81->69
    > kg), diet, 2 * 0.5 mg Repaglinide
     
  10. Beav

    Beav Guest

    "Wes Groleau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Beav wrote:
    > > And maybe he just does it because he enjoys his hobby
    > > and wants others
    to
    > > enjoy it as much as he does. I know that's why *I* spend
    > > ......
    > >
    > > Strangely, for some people, money ISN'T the be all and
    > > end all.
    >
    > Right. Though I am a bit cynical myself, even I recognize
    > that an "ulterior motive" could be a lot of things other
    > than money--one of which is that it just plain feels good
    > to help someone out.

    Well Wes, I don't know if I consider the feel good
    factor an "ulterior motive" at all."Ulterior motive" is
    usually connected with something sinister, not something
    that's helpful.

    Beav
     
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