Important Notification -- Silent Mailing Lists harm UNicon atendance

Discussion in 'rec.sport.unicycling' started by Jack Halpern, Apr 18, 2004.

  1. Jack Halpern

    Jack Halpern Guest

    Hi all,

    Both the Japanese and internatinal Unicon mailing lists, and even
    iuf-discuss haved been dead for over a month (some mailing lists
    over six weeks).

    This has left me in an information vaccum that undermines my efforts to
    recruit teams from undeveloped unicycling countries, my only
    non-ceremonial task as ocnvention chairman. I have no idea what the
    current state of Unicon preparations is, and no one on the Unicon lists
    is providing information.

    Through an accidental email that was not suposed to reach me, and later
    through more direct confirmation, I finaly uncovered what I siuspected
    all along: a deliberate plan not to use the Unicon mailing lists so as
    to keep me out of picture. I even found out who the two leraders of
    thuis plan are, one in Japan and in the U.S.

    I have spent hundreds of hours and some $4500 so far (five long phone
    calls to Brazil and China) last week in recruiting teams from Brazil?
    China, Israel nd Korea. Spending money to promote Unicon (some $40,000
    over the years) is nothing new for IUF officers -- John
    Foss, Alberto Ruiz, and Ken Fuchs have done it for years -- but wasting
    time and money without getting cooperation is another matter.

    For all I know, all the unicycle mailing lists are dead. If I do not
    get a response to this message, I will assume this is so, and I will be
    forced to send my messages to rsu -- inapprorpiate for Unicon management
    messages but the only unicycling mailing list that I know is still
    functioning.

    There is no question that Unicon attendence is being harmed by these
    clandestine comuunications. There is no question either that it should
    have dampened my enthusiams long ago, though I am continuing my efforts.

    I look forward to an immediate explanation and to revival of the lists.
     
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  2. Jack Halpern wrote:
    > *I finaly uncovered what I siuspected all along: a deliberate plan not
    > to use the Unicon mailing lists so as to keep me out of picture. I
    > even found out who the two leraders of this plan are, one in Japan and
    > in the U.S.*

    a vast one wheeled conspiracy.


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  3. Jack Halpern wrote:
    > *I finaly uncovered what I siuspected all along: a deliberate plan not
    > to use the Unicon mailing lists so as to keep me out of picture. I
    > even found out who the two leraders of this plan are, one in Japan and
    > in the U.S.*

    a vast one wheeled conspiracy.


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  4. bugman

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  7. Klaas Bil

    Klaas Bil Guest

    On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:18:31 +0900, Jack Halpern wrote:

    >a deliberate plan not to use the Unicon mailing lists so as
    >to keep me out of picture.


    I am totally clueless as to why they would want to work against you,
    and harming attendance to Unicon at the same time. Not nice anyway. I
    wish you luck in satisfactorily resolving the issue - in whatever way.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  8. elmer

    elmer Guest

    I have no idea what you're talking about at all. I don't even know what
    a "mailing list" in this context is. It sounds like some unsavory
    things have happened, and I hope that things will continue to move
    forward for the benefit of all. I do plan to attend with my wife and
    five riding kids! Keep the faith!


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  9. Mellick

    Mellick Guest

    Jack Halpern wrote:
    > *Hi all,
    >
    >
    > Through an accidental email that was not suposed to reach me, and
    > later
    > through more direct confirmation, I finaly uncovered what I
    > siuspected
    > all along: a deliberate plan not to use the Unicon mailing lists so
    > as
    > to keep me out of picture.
    >
    > For all I know, all the unicycle mailing lists are dead. If I do not
    > get a response to this message, I will assume this is so, and I will
    > be
    > forced to send my messages to rsu -- inapprorpiate for Unicon
    > management
    > messages but the only unicycling mailing list that I know is still
    > functioning.
    >
    > I look forward to an immediate explanation and to revival of the
    > lists.
    >
    >
    > *




    This sounds like top secret spy stuff... please don't die... :(


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  10. Sofa

    Sofa Guest

    I don't understand why these organizers would (allegedly) try to prevent
    someone in your position from doing your job?

    Why would the organizers of a unicycling event try to keep unicyclists
    from going !?!

    Can someone please fill me on this?


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  11. bugman

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    Sofa wrote:
    > *I don't understand why these organizers would (allegedly) try to
    > prevent someone in your position from doing your job?
    >
    > Why would the organizers of a unicycling event try to keep unicyclists
    > from going !?!
    >
    > Can someone please fill me on this? *



    It sounds like the classic battle for top dog in an organization. For
    some reason there are those that think Jack yields too much
    power/control over this Unicon. So they delegated him a role that is
    less visable. Then they made an attempt at excluding him from others
    aspects of the organizing to prevent his input.

    I don't think it is the intention of those individuals to prevent others
    from going to Unicon. It just appears to be an unfortunate side effect.


    It is sad to see that there is this much politics going on in event
    designed to promote unicycling, but of course unicyclists are human too
    and subject to all the same traps every other group falls into.

    I have over the past few months formulated several theories as to why
    this is happening, but they are probably all wrong. My mind is very
    creative, and in the absence off the truth of the parties involved can
    create some great alternative truths.


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  12. "Jack Halpern" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi all,
    >
    > Both the Japanese and international Unicon mailing lists, and even
    > IUF-discuss have been dead for over a month (some mailing lists
    > over six weeks).
    >
    > This has left me in an information vacuum that undermines my efforts to
    > recruit teams from undeveloped unicycling countries, my only
    > non-ceremonial task as convention chairman. I have no idea what the
    > current state of Unicon preparations is, and no one on the Unicon lists
    > is providing information.
    >
    > Through an accidental email that was not supposed to reach me, and later
    > through more direct confirmation, I finally uncovered what I suspected
    > all along: a deliberate plan not to use the Unicon mailing lists so as
    > to keep me out of picture. I even found out who the two leaders of
    > this plan are, one in Japan and in the U.S.
    >
    > I have spent hundreds of hours and some $4500 so far (five long phone
    > calls to Brazil and China) last week in recruiting teams from Brazil?
    > China, Israel and Korea. Spending money to promote Unicon (some $40,000
    > over the years) is nothing new for IUF officers -- John
    > Foss, Alberto Ruiz, and Ken Fuchs have done it for years -- but wasting
    > time and money without getting cooperation is another matter.
    >
    > For all I know, all the unicycle mailing lists are dead. If I do not
    > get a response to this message, I will assume this is so, and I will be
    > forced to send my messages to rsu -- inappropriate for Unicon management
    > messages but the only unicycling mailing list that I know is still
    > functioning.
    >
    > There is no question that Unicon attendance is being harmed by these
    > clandestine communications. There is no question either that it should
    > have dampened my enthusiasm long ago, though I am continuing my efforts.
    >
    > I look forward to an immediate explanation and to revival of the lists.


    Jack, I owe you gratitude and respect for your wonderful book, but your
    hypocrisy is grating. There is nothing wrong with using rsu, assuming accurate
    subject lines. Does secrecy suck or not? Only when *you're* outside the
    circle?
     
  13. johnfoss

    johnfoss Guest

    For all that are interested, to the best of my knowledge the mailing
    lists are still functioning. Indeed there has not been much traffic on
    them since the re-org at the UNICON office. Since that time, things seem
    to have been flowing along smooooothly.

    Those of you on the outside of that internal struggle don't need to know
    all the ugly details. Suffice it to say that things seem to be working
    much better now than they were before, and everybody seems to be working
    on what they are best at.

    The mailing lists are one for IUF discussions, IUF officers, and
    apparently some others. Places where, when they're being used, we
    discuss those specific things without boring all you RSU people and
    having to explain everything. If anyone is interested in getting more
    involved with the workings of the IUF (or the USA for that matter) you
    are welcome to join those lists.

    I don't know the story about the mailing lists to which Jack refers. If
    he needs a copy of an address list for sending out packets, he should
    have that. If he believes we are not using the IUF's email lists, it has
    nothing to do with him. Right now UNICON seems to be in a registration
    stage, and the IUF itself (as usual) isn't doing much.

    The two people to whom Jack refers are very busy working on UNICON
    registrations and other details, and are not actively trying to conspire
    against anybody.

    UNICON XII is not coming to any harm by people working hard on taking
    care of registrations, questions, and other details. As far as I know
    everything is currently under control. Hopefully all of you are getting
    registered as early as possible. It is very important to the planning of
    one of these conventions for you to register at your earliest
    opportunity, so schedules can be planned based on attendance in the
    various events.

    Remember, you can register now, even if you can't pay until later. The
    registration and payment processes are separate. This does not mean wait
    forever for payment though, they need that too! These conventions are
    expensive! Remember, all this work is being done by unpaid volunteers,
    and even though this is likely to be the biggest UNICON ever, they still
    run on a shoestring budget. Please help out.

    Jack Halpern has the difficult job of recruiting riders and teams from
    "new" countries. This always involves a lot of communications and
    information gathering, as well as trying to collect contact information
    for unicyclists who may not know about UNICON. If you are aware of any
    unicyclists who may not know of this event, and who may be interested in
    coming, please let Jack know about them. Over the years, he has probably
    brought more countries in than any other individual.

    For those of you who do not know who Jack Halpern is, he is the founder
    of the IUF. It was his idea.


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    taste out of my mouth." -- Ryan Atkins to Kris Holm, on the way back
    from Moab after sampling some of my pork rinds. They grossed out the
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  14. johnfoss

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    For all that are interested, to the best of my knowledge the mailing
    lists are still functioning. Indeed there has not been much traffic on
    them since the re-org at the UNICON office. Since that time, things seem
    to have been flowing along *smooooothly*. That would seem to be the most
    important thing.

    Those of you on the outside of UNICON's internal struggle don't need to
    know the details. Suffice it to say that things seem to be working much
    better now than they were before, and everybody seems to be working on
    what they are best at.

    The mailing lists are one for IUF discussions, IUF officers, and
    apparently some others. Places where, when they're active, we discuss
    those specific things without boring all you RSU people and having to
    explain everything. If anyone is interested in getting more involved
    with the workings of the IUF (or the USA for that matter) you are
    welcome to join those lists.

    I'm not sure about which mailing lists Jack refers. If he needs a copy
    of a mailing address list for sending out packets, he should have that.
    If he believes we are not using the IUF's email lists for any other
    reason than lack of traffic, this IUF director says we are not. Just
    nobody is talking. There has been no direction to not use the lists.
    Right now UNICON seems to be in a registration stage, and the IUF itself
    (as usual) isn't doing much.

    The two people to whom Jack refers are very busy working on UNICON
    registrations and other details, and are not actively trying to conspire
    against anybody.

    UNICON XII is not coming to any harm by people working hard on taking
    care of registrations, questions, and other details. As far as I know
    everything is well under control. Hopefully all of you are getting
    registered as early as possible. It is very important to the planning of
    one of these conventions for you to register at your earliest
    opportunity, so schedules can be planned based on attendance in the
    various events.

    Remember, you can register right now, even if you can't pay right now.
    The registration and payment processes are separate. This does not mean
    wait forever for payment though, they need that too! These conventions
    are expensive. Remember, all this work is being done by unpaid
    volunteers, and even though this is likely to be the biggest UNICON
    ever, they still run on a shoestring budget. Please help out.

    Jack Halpern has the difficult job of recruiting riders and teams from
    "new" countries. This always involves a lot of communications and
    information gathering, as well as trying to collect contact information
    for unicyclists who may not know about UNICON. If you are aware of any
    unicyclists who may not know of this event, and who may be interested in
    coming, please let Jack know about them. Over the years, he has probably
    brought more countries in than any other individual.

    For those of you who do not know who Jack Halpern is, he is the founder
    of the IUF. It was his idea. We at the IUF all respect him for what he
    has done, and continues to do, for international unicycling, and we
    aren't going to stop soon.


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    taste out of my mouth." -- Ryan Atkins to Kris Holm, on the way back
    from Moab after sampling some of my pork rinds. They grossed out the
    whole van!
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