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Murdoc
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Ray Fischer wrote:
> David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [email protected] (Ray Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > You are talking about human fetuses
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >aren't you, and what would this fetus become if not a human in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >image of God?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So killing sperm is murder?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > *** I didn't say that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A lot of them become humans "in the image of God".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The vast majority of sperm do not find their intended target.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what? The majority of fertilized eggs are never born.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps, but that trend isn't helped by abortion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're trying to change the subject because your argument doesn't make
> > > > > > > any sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nor, I'm afraid, does yours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since I haven't stated mine yet it's obvious that you're just
> > > > > bullshitting again.
> > > >
> > > > You're attacking my view,
> > >
> > > I am attacking your pretense that you get to speak for God.
> > >
> > > You do not.
> >
> > And you do?
>
> I don't claim to.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Average
> > > > > > > > > > ********* is how many sperm cells? Only one of them, if conception is
> > > > > > > > > > successful, becomes a human "in the image of God."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since when do you speak for God?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I didn't. I merely stated what you can find in any decent text book
> > > > > > > > covering the human reproductive system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but you're full of ****. What you believe about biology has
> > > > > > > obviously been corrupted by religious propaganda. Biology does NOT
> > > > > > > claim that a fertilized egg is a human. Indeed, it would be stupid
> > > > > > > to make such a claim since it isn't true.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Biology taught me that it takes human sperm to fertilize a human egg.
> > > > >
> > > > > That much is mostly true.
> > > >
> > > > Or at least it would require manipulation, or a sperm donor with 23
> > > > chromosomes.
> > >
> > > But a fertilized egg isn't a human.
> >
> > Yes it is.
>
> Stop lying. According to milenia of human legal and social tradition
> across the world, the life of a human being starts at birth.
>
> > > > > And it's good to see you say that it would RESULT in a human and not
> > > > > BE a human.
> > > >
> > > > A human is called many things during the period of it's existence.
> > > > Zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, and corpse,
> > > > to name a few.
> > >
> > > Don't forget sperm and egg.
> >
> > Since sperm and egg cells are germs, they aren't humans.
>
> 1) They are not germs.
> 2) You're an idiot.
>
> > > Oh, wait, you think that you're the equal of God and that YOU get to
> > > decide what is or is not a human being, regardless of law, tradition,
> > > or society.
> > >
> > > You're just a self-centered control freak with delusions of godhood.
> >
> > You differ from this how?
>
> I don't make up my own rules and expect others to obey.
>
> > Provide a biblical reference that says
> > abortion is ok.
>
> Numbers 5 describes a forced abortion. And there is what Jesus said
> in Matthew 5:39-41 and there's Exodus 20:17.
Matthew 5:39-41 (NIV)
39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to
him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak
as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
What, exactly, does that have to do with abortion, Ray?
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> David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [email protected] (Ray Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > You are talking about human fetuses
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >aren't you, and what would this fetus become if not a human in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >image of God?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So killing sperm is murder?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > *** I didn't say that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A lot of them become humans "in the image of God".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The vast majority of sperm do not find their intended target.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what? The majority of fertilized eggs are never born.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps, but that trend isn't helped by abortion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're trying to change the subject because your argument doesn't make
> > > > > > > any sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nor, I'm afraid, does yours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since I haven't stated mine yet it's obvious that you're just
> > > > > bullshitting again.
> > > >
> > > > You're attacking my view,
> > >
> > > I am attacking your pretense that you get to speak for God.
> > >
> > > You do not.
> >
> > And you do?
>
> I don't claim to.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Average
> > > > > > > > > > ********* is how many sperm cells? Only one of them, if conception is
> > > > > > > > > > successful, becomes a human "in the image of God."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since when do you speak for God?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I didn't. I merely stated what you can find in any decent text book
> > > > > > > > covering the human reproductive system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but you're full of ****. What you believe about biology has
> > > > > > > obviously been corrupted by religious propaganda. Biology does NOT
> > > > > > > claim that a fertilized egg is a human. Indeed, it would be stupid
> > > > > > > to make such a claim since it isn't true.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Biology taught me that it takes human sperm to fertilize a human egg.
> > > > >
> > > > > That much is mostly true.
> > > >
> > > > Or at least it would require manipulation, or a sperm donor with 23
> > > > chromosomes.
> > >
> > > But a fertilized egg isn't a human.
> >
> > Yes it is.
>
> Stop lying. According to milenia of human legal and social tradition
> across the world, the life of a human being starts at birth.
>
> > > > > And it's good to see you say that it would RESULT in a human and not
> > > > > BE a human.
> > > >
> > > > A human is called many things during the period of it's existence.
> > > > Zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, and corpse,
> > > > to name a few.
> > >
> > > Don't forget sperm and egg.
> >
> > Since sperm and egg cells are germs, they aren't humans.
>
> 1) They are not germs.
> 2) You're an idiot.
>
> > > Oh, wait, you think that you're the equal of God and that YOU get to
> > > decide what is or is not a human being, regardless of law, tradition,
> > > or society.
> > >
> > > You're just a self-centered control freak with delusions of godhood.
> >
> > You differ from this how?
>
> I don't make up my own rules and expect others to obey.
>
> > Provide a biblical reference that says
> > abortion is ok.
>
> Numbers 5 describes a forced abortion. And there is what Jesus said
> in Matthew 5:39-41 and there's Exodus 20:17.
Matthew 5:39-41 (NIV)
39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to
him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak
as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
What, exactly, does that have to do with abortion, Ray?
<snipped rest />
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S o r n i
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Neil Brooks wrote:
> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or something
like that.)
He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or something
like that.)
He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
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Neil Brooks
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"S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Neil Brooks wrote:
>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>
>A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>
>Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>
>Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or something
>like that.)
>
>He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>
This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
is wrong?"
If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
experience....
>Neil Brooks wrote:
>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>
>A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>
>Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>
>Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or something
>like that.)
>
>He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>
This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
is wrong?"
If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
experience....
B
Ben Kaufman
Guest
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:45:24 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Maggie" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> HOW DO YOU GET THIS DUMBASS THREAD TO STOP!!
>
>By not responding to it, thereby letting it die naturally.
>
>I see you trimmed a bunch of cross-posts. Thank you
>
>In the meantime you could put the subject in your killfile,
>if you have one. I just "mark thread as read" whenever the
>thread shows up in my newsreader.
>
>
>cheers,
> Tom
I just put them all in my kill file - older and wiser
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Maggie" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> HOW DO YOU GET THIS DUMBASS THREAD TO STOP!!
>
>By not responding to it, thereby letting it die naturally.
>
>I see you trimmed a bunch of cross-posts. Thank you
>
>In the meantime you could put the subject in your killfile,
>if you have one. I just "mark thread as read" whenever the
>thread shows up in my newsreader.
>
>
>cheers,
> Tom
I just put them all in my kill file - older and wiser
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Peter
Guest
[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >United we Stand <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> >> >> In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion is wrong?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ex. 20:13 "You shall not kill."!
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) That's not Jesus
> >> >
> >> >*** Yes, it is!
> >>
> >> Old Testament isn't Jesus.
> >>
> >> > read John 1:1-4 & 14! ***
> >>
> >> That's not Ex 20:13 and it doesn't say anything about not killing.
> >
> >*** No, it tells us who became Jesus Christ as my point was! ***
> >>
> >> >> 2) Then why do you kill plants, insects, and animals?
> >> >
> >> >*** Plants, insects and animals are not sentient let alone human,
> >>
> >> So what? Does Ex. 20:13 say anything about "sentient" or "human"?
> >
> >So what???? Kill in Ex. 20:13 IS talking about MURDER, you can't
> >murder a plant!! ***
>
> And abortion isn't murder either. Never has been.
>
> >> >> > You are talking about human fetuses
> >> >> >aren't you, and what would this fetus become if not a human in the
> >> >> >image of God?
> >> >>
> >> >> So killing sperm is murder?
> >> >
> >> >*** I didn't say that.
> >>
> >> A lot of them become humans "in the image of God".
> >
> >*** Only AFTER they fertalize an egg,
>
> When they're born.
>
> >> > Are you asking me a question? If so my answer
> >> >would be, a sperm unto itself does not contain the components to
> >> >produce human life so don't go into a chorus a Monty Python song. ***
> >>
> >> Living, human sperm IS human life.
> >
> >*** So, when was the last time you said hello to a sperm cell? ***
>
> When was the last time you said hello to an embryo?
>
> >> It's becoming more obvious that you don't have any justification for
> >> your rules other then misogyny and the desire to be a control freak.
> >
> >*** Again, what rules, and what are you talking about? You are the one
> >who wants to make cutting a tree down murder,
>
> Stop lying about me.
>
> >> >> And abortion isn't murder.
> >> >
> >> >*** I'm always interested in hearing how terminating human life -
> >> >before or after birth - isn't murder,
> >
> >*** Well? How is abortion not murder?????? ***
> >>
> >> Is killing living human sperm murder?
> >
> >*** You falter if you think me foolish enough to fall into your can of
> >worms.
>
> And for the very same reason that killing sperm isn't murder, abortion
> isn't murder.
>
> > A human fetus is the result of a human egg that's been
> >fertilized by a human sperm. Neither the egg nor the sperm could
> >achieve this on their own,
>
> Neither can an embryo.
*** What are you twelve? Did you skip grade 10 biology? An embryo is
the result of the two combining. Of coarse it couldn't do it on it's
own, it doesn't exist until the other two join! Individually the egg
and sperm exist and since they are of humans they produce a human
embryo when the sperm fertilizes the egg. IT'S human, kill it and you
murder a human being made in the image of God! Killing a human is
murder, simple. It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >United we Stand <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> >> >> In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion is wrong?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ex. 20:13 "You shall not kill."!
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) That's not Jesus
> >> >
> >> >*** Yes, it is!
> >>
> >> Old Testament isn't Jesus.
> >>
> >> > read John 1:1-4 & 14! ***
> >>
> >> That's not Ex 20:13 and it doesn't say anything about not killing.
> >
> >*** No, it tells us who became Jesus Christ as my point was! ***
> >>
> >> >> 2) Then why do you kill plants, insects, and animals?
> >> >
> >> >*** Plants, insects and animals are not sentient let alone human,
> >>
> >> So what? Does Ex. 20:13 say anything about "sentient" or "human"?
> >
> >So what???? Kill in Ex. 20:13 IS talking about MURDER, you can't
> >murder a plant!! ***
>
> And abortion isn't murder either. Never has been.
>
> >> >> > You are talking about human fetuses
> >> >> >aren't you, and what would this fetus become if not a human in the
> >> >> >image of God?
> >> >>
> >> >> So killing sperm is murder?
> >> >
> >> >*** I didn't say that.
> >>
> >> A lot of them become humans "in the image of God".
> >
> >*** Only AFTER they fertalize an egg,
>
> When they're born.
>
> >> > Are you asking me a question? If so my answer
> >> >would be, a sperm unto itself does not contain the components to
> >> >produce human life so don't go into a chorus a Monty Python song. ***
> >>
> >> Living, human sperm IS human life.
> >
> >*** So, when was the last time you said hello to a sperm cell? ***
>
> When was the last time you said hello to an embryo?
>
> >> It's becoming more obvious that you don't have any justification for
> >> your rules other then misogyny and the desire to be a control freak.
> >
> >*** Again, what rules, and what are you talking about? You are the one
> >who wants to make cutting a tree down murder,
>
> Stop lying about me.
>
> >> >> And abortion isn't murder.
> >> >
> >> >*** I'm always interested in hearing how terminating human life -
> >> >before or after birth - isn't murder,
> >
> >*** Well? How is abortion not murder?????? ***
> >>
> >> Is killing living human sperm murder?
> >
> >*** You falter if you think me foolish enough to fall into your can of
> >worms.
>
> And for the very same reason that killing sperm isn't murder, abortion
> isn't murder.
>
> > A human fetus is the result of a human egg that's been
> >fertilized by a human sperm. Neither the egg nor the sperm could
> >achieve this on their own,
>
> Neither can an embryo.
*** What are you twelve? Did you skip grade 10 biology? An embryo is
the result of the two combining. Of coarse it couldn't do it on it's
own, it doesn't exist until the other two join! Individually the egg
and sperm exist and since they are of humans they produce a human
embryo when the sperm fertilizes the egg. IT'S human, kill it and you
murder a human being made in the image of God! Killing a human is
murder, simple. It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
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Peter
Guest
[email protected] (Paul Anderson) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 2 Mar 2005 19:11:35 -0800, [email protected] (Peter) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote
> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>
> >> >> >> In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion is wrong?
>
> >> >> >Ex. 20:13 "You shall not kill."!
> ....
> >> >> 2) Then why do you kill plants, insects, and animals?
>
> >> >*** Plants, insects and animals are not sentient let alone human,
>
> >> So what? Does Ex. 20:13 say anything about "sentient" or "human"?
>
> >So what???? Kill in Ex. 20:13 IS talking about MURDER, you can't
> >murder a plant!! ***
>
> Abortion is not and never has been murder. Which returns us to the
> original question: where in the Bible does it say abortion is wrong?
> ...
>
> >*** Well? How is abortion not murder?????? ***
>
> How is abortion murder? Bear in mind that abortion is not and never
> has been considered to be murder, except in anti-abortion rhetoric.
> Anti-abortionists claim that abortion is muder, no legal authority has
> ever agreed. The burden of proof is upon the one making the unusual
> claim. Since abortion has never been considered to be murder by any
> legal authority there is no need to show how abortion is not murder --
> that is the status quo, the conservative 'the way it has always been'
> position. It is up to the Pro-Lifers to show how abortion is muder
> when no legal authority has ever agreed with them.
*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..." is not talking about
anything other than human life. Just because some doctors were able to
convince the courts it isn't alive doesn't make it true. Look at the
money the medical profession is making off of it. Man's legal system
is a farce, it allows pedophiles, and convicted murderers free because
of the same bleeding heart liberals who say abortion is ok. Man hasn't
the authority to decide when killing is justified, he hasn't created
anything to have that authority. Termination of any human life is
wrong, killing of a human is wrong in any scenario. ***
> On 2 Mar 2005 19:11:35 -0800, [email protected] (Peter) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote
> >> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>
> >> >> >> In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion is wrong?
>
> >> >> >Ex. 20:13 "You shall not kill."!
> ....
> >> >> 2) Then why do you kill plants, insects, and animals?
>
> >> >*** Plants, insects and animals are not sentient let alone human,
>
> >> So what? Does Ex. 20:13 say anything about "sentient" or "human"?
>
> >So what???? Kill in Ex. 20:13 IS talking about MURDER, you can't
> >murder a plant!! ***
>
> Abortion is not and never has been murder. Which returns us to the
> original question: where in the Bible does it say abortion is wrong?
> ...
>
> >*** Well? How is abortion not murder?????? ***
>
> How is abortion murder? Bear in mind that abortion is not and never
> has been considered to be murder, except in anti-abortion rhetoric.
> Anti-abortionists claim that abortion is muder, no legal authority has
> ever agreed. The burden of proof is upon the one making the unusual
> claim. Since abortion has never been considered to be murder by any
> legal authority there is no need to show how abortion is not murder --
> that is the status quo, the conservative 'the way it has always been'
> position. It is up to the Pro-Lifers to show how abortion is muder
> when no legal authority has ever agreed with them.
*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..." is not talking about
anything other than human life. Just because some doctors were able to
convince the courts it isn't alive doesn't make it true. Look at the
money the medical profession is making off of it. Man's legal system
is a farce, it allows pedophiles, and convicted murderers free because
of the same bleeding heart liberals who say abortion is ok. Man hasn't
the authority to decide when killing is justified, he hasn't created
anything to have that authority. Termination of any human life is
wrong, killing of a human is wrong in any scenario. ***
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S o r n i
Guest
Neil Brooks wrote:
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Neil Brooks wrote:
>>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>>
>> A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>>
>> Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>>
>> Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or
>> something like that.)
>>
>> He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>>
>
> This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
> an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
> is wrong?"
>
> If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
Ah, my newsreader kept it in the same thread; I just wanted some closure on
that last bit. (I *did* miss the phonetic similarity to the previous topic;
just assumed you were tripping...again!)
> Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
> and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
> white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
> experience....
Story? (And wasn't SCC /extremely/ soft and wet? Sycamore {Santee} usually
holds up much, much better, and it was NASTY last night. Might just buy a
whole new bike instead of tackling my drivetrain!)
Besides, you can't die yet; you've got a MOOTS to live for! (And since it's
too big for ME...)
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Neil Brooks wrote:
>>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>>
>> A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>>
>> Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>>
>> Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or
>> something like that.)
>>
>> He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>>
>
> This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
> an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
> is wrong?"
>
> If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
Ah, my newsreader kept it in the same thread; I just wanted some closure on
that last bit. (I *did* miss the phonetic similarity to the previous topic;
just assumed you were tripping...again!)
> Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
> and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
> white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
> experience....
Story? (And wasn't SCC /extremely/ soft and wet? Sycamore {Santee} usually
holds up much, much better, and it was NASTY last night. Might just buy a
whole new bike instead of tackling my drivetrain!)
Besides, you can't die yet; you've got a MOOTS to live for! (And since it's
too big for ME...)
R
Ray Fischer
Guest
Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >*** You falter if you think me foolish enough to fall into your can of
>> >worms.
>>
>> And for the very same reason that killing sperm isn't murder, abortion
>> isn't murder.
>>
>> > A human fetus is the result of a human egg that's been
>> >fertilized by a human sperm. Neither the egg nor the sperm could
>> >achieve this on their own,
>>
>> Neither can an embryo.
>
>*** What are you twelve? Did you skip grade 10 biology?
No and no.
> An embryo is
>the result of the two combining. Of coarse it couldn't do it on it's
>own, it doesn't exist until the other two join!
And without a woman's body it will die.
> Individually the egg
>and sperm exist and since they are of humans they produce a human
>embryo when the sperm fertilizes the egg. IT'S human, kill it and you
>murder a human being made in the image of God!
Just like you murder children when you refuse to give up your money
and property to help feed them.
> Killing a human is
>murder, simple.
And killing an embryo isn't murder because until it's born it is not a
human being.
> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
>[email protected] (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >*** You falter if you think me foolish enough to fall into your can of
>> >worms.
>>
>> And for the very same reason that killing sperm isn't murder, abortion
>> isn't murder.
>>
>> > A human fetus is the result of a human egg that's been
>> >fertilized by a human sperm. Neither the egg nor the sperm could
>> >achieve this on their own,
>>
>> Neither can an embryo.
>
>*** What are you twelve? Did you skip grade 10 biology?
No and no.
> An embryo is
>the result of the two combining. Of coarse it couldn't do it on it's
>own, it doesn't exist until the other two join!
And without a woman's body it will die.
> Individually the egg
>and sperm exist and since they are of humans they produce a human
>embryo when the sperm fertilizes the egg. IT'S human, kill it and you
>murder a human being made in the image of God!
Just like you murder children when you refuse to give up your money
and property to help feed them.
> Killing a human is
>murder, simple.
And killing an embryo isn't murder because until it's born it is not a
human being.
> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
R
Ray Fischer
Guest
Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
> is not talking about
>anything other than human life.
Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
laws?
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
> is not talking about
>anything other than human life.
Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
laws?
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
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David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:00:06 GMT, [email protected] (Ray
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Ray Fischer)
>
>>>>>>>I don't claim to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nor do I. But I read enough to know that the Bible doesn't condone
>>>>>>abortion, and it appears rather obvious that it condemns it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where's your Bible quote?
>>>>
>>>>Like you told me before when I asked you for a quote, look it up.
>>>
>>>In other words, you don't have any. You're just spewing the usual
>>>lies from the right-wing religious fanatics.
>>
>>Ah, so you ask for a quote and I don't provide it, I'm spewing lies
>>from the right-wing religious fanatics, but when you fail to provide
>>me with quotes I ask for
>
>Except that I did provide quotes, they're below in this very article
>that you have responded to more than once, and you are lying again.
Not when I asked you too. "Look it up" was the response I got from
you, liar.
>Which is what all you fundies seem to resort to whenever the truth
>doesn't go your way.
Thanks for the laugh. Your behavior hasn't been any different.
>>>>>And your entire argument rests on the premise that YOU get to decide
>>>>>what is or is not a human being, ignoring thousands of years of legal
>>>>>and social tradition that says different.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting; the entry for gamete above states "capable of initiating
>>>>formation of a new diploid individual by fusion with a gamete of the
>>>>opposite sex." Seems the dictionary makes the distinction of when life
>>>>begins disagrees with you.
>>>
>>>It says nothing at all about when a human's life begins.
>>
>>"initiating formation of a new diploid individual" seems rather
>>apparent to me.
>
>"Initiating" isn't "completing". Laying out plans is initiating the
>construction of a new building, but it isn't a new building until you
>can walk through the door.
Life isn't complete until we die. Are you now claiming that murdering
after birth is the same as murdering before birth? Make up your mind.
Nice thing about the liberals is they can't seem to pick a belief
system to stick to.
>>>>>>>> Provide a biblical reference that says
>>>>>>>>abortion is ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Numbers 5 describes a forced abortion. And there is what Jesus said
>>>>>>>in Matthew 5:39-41 and there's Exodus 20:17.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All of which deny you ANY claim over a woman's body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you think Exodus 20:17 supersedes Exodus 20:13?
>>>>>
>>>>>You kill every day. Why do you expect people to obey the Bible when
>>>>>you do not?
>>>>
>>>>Now you're accusing me of being a murderer?
>>>
>>>Are you illiterate? Where did I say anything about murder?
>>
>>Ok, then how do I kill every day?
>
>Plants, insects, germs, animals, ...
Ah, but in Genesis it's written that we're given dominion over the
animals. Or did you skip that verse too because it doesn't sit well
with your mindset?
>>>>>Of course, you're probably too "intelligent" to realize that the
>>>>>Bible wasn't written in English and that a correct translation of
>>>>>Exodus 20:13 is "Don't murder" and that abortion is not and has never
>>>>>been murder.
>>>>
>>>>I understand well that the Bible wasn't written in english. That's why
>>>>I have numerous translations of it, including a parallel Bible, as
>>>>well as an interlinear and a number of hebrew, greek, and aramaic
>>>>language lexicons.
>>>
>>>Then explain to all of us how a rule about not committing murder has
>>>anything to do with the topic of abortion.
>>
>>Life begins at conception.
>
>You're lying.
So are you.
>> Too difficult to comprehend for you?
>
>If life begins at conception then how is it that sperm and egg must be
>alive before conception? Dead sperm don't do anything.
Nor do dead eggs, nor do living sperm and eggs that do not interact
with each other.
>>>>>It's not my opinion, asshole. I look at the laws and social
>>>>>traditions of humanity going back thousands of years and acroos the
>>>>>world. Birth has been and is the even which marks the start of a
>>>>>human being's life.
>>>>>
>>>>>We celebrate BIRTHdays. Not "conceptiondays".
>>>>
>>>>Several times in the Bible individuals curse the moment of their
>>>>conception.
>>>
>>>The Bible also claims that people are create not in a woman's womb but
>>>in the depths of the earth.
>>
>>From dust we come, and to dust we will return.
>
>Non sequitur.
No big surprise there.
>>>And it also says that God knows us BEFORE conception, so is killing
>>>sperm and egg murder?
>>
>>No, because they have not united yet.
>
>You ignore what the Bible says in order to make up your own rules.
What have I ignored? Surely not another one of those sections like you
so asininely quoted before. Still waiting on the answer to the
question about murdering the guy that knocked up your rhetorical gal.
>>>> Seems to me that they knew when they became human, and
>>>>when life began.
>>>
>>>When sperm and egg are created?
>>
>>Ah, but humans are diploid organisms,
>
>No they're not. They're multicellular organisms made up of cells that
>are diploid, haploid, and some without chromosomes at all.
Yes, but for the most part, diploid. Don't see many haploid organisms
walking about, do you?
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Ray Fischer)
>
>>>>>>>I don't claim to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nor do I. But I read enough to know that the Bible doesn't condone
>>>>>>abortion, and it appears rather obvious that it condemns it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where's your Bible quote?
>>>>
>>>>Like you told me before when I asked you for a quote, look it up.
>>>
>>>In other words, you don't have any. You're just spewing the usual
>>>lies from the right-wing religious fanatics.
>>
>>Ah, so you ask for a quote and I don't provide it, I'm spewing lies
>>from the right-wing religious fanatics, but when you fail to provide
>>me with quotes I ask for
>
>Except that I did provide quotes, they're below in this very article
>that you have responded to more than once, and you are lying again.
Not when I asked you too. "Look it up" was the response I got from
you, liar.
>Which is what all you fundies seem to resort to whenever the truth
>doesn't go your way.
Thanks for the laugh. Your behavior hasn't been any different.
>>>>>And your entire argument rests on the premise that YOU get to decide
>>>>>what is or is not a human being, ignoring thousands of years of legal
>>>>>and social tradition that says different.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting; the entry for gamete above states "capable of initiating
>>>>formation of a new diploid individual by fusion with a gamete of the
>>>>opposite sex." Seems the dictionary makes the distinction of when life
>>>>begins disagrees with you.
>>>
>>>It says nothing at all about when a human's life begins.
>>
>>"initiating formation of a new diploid individual" seems rather
>>apparent to me.
>
>"Initiating" isn't "completing". Laying out plans is initiating the
>construction of a new building, but it isn't a new building until you
>can walk through the door.
Life isn't complete until we die. Are you now claiming that murdering
after birth is the same as murdering before birth? Make up your mind.
Nice thing about the liberals is they can't seem to pick a belief
system to stick to.
>>>>>>>> Provide a biblical reference that says
>>>>>>>>abortion is ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Numbers 5 describes a forced abortion. And there is what Jesus said
>>>>>>>in Matthew 5:39-41 and there's Exodus 20:17.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All of which deny you ANY claim over a woman's body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you think Exodus 20:17 supersedes Exodus 20:13?
>>>>>
>>>>>You kill every day. Why do you expect people to obey the Bible when
>>>>>you do not?
>>>>
>>>>Now you're accusing me of being a murderer?
>>>
>>>Are you illiterate? Where did I say anything about murder?
>>
>>Ok, then how do I kill every day?
>
>Plants, insects, germs, animals, ...
Ah, but in Genesis it's written that we're given dominion over the
animals. Or did you skip that verse too because it doesn't sit well
with your mindset?
>>>>>Of course, you're probably too "intelligent" to realize that the
>>>>>Bible wasn't written in English and that a correct translation of
>>>>>Exodus 20:13 is "Don't murder" and that abortion is not and has never
>>>>>been murder.
>>>>
>>>>I understand well that the Bible wasn't written in english. That's why
>>>>I have numerous translations of it, including a parallel Bible, as
>>>>well as an interlinear and a number of hebrew, greek, and aramaic
>>>>language lexicons.
>>>
>>>Then explain to all of us how a rule about not committing murder has
>>>anything to do with the topic of abortion.
>>
>>Life begins at conception.
>
>You're lying.
So are you.
>> Too difficult to comprehend for you?
>
>If life begins at conception then how is it that sperm and egg must be
>alive before conception? Dead sperm don't do anything.
Nor do dead eggs, nor do living sperm and eggs that do not interact
with each other.
>>>>>It's not my opinion, asshole. I look at the laws and social
>>>>>traditions of humanity going back thousands of years and acroos the
>>>>>world. Birth has been and is the even which marks the start of a
>>>>>human being's life.
>>>>>
>>>>>We celebrate BIRTHdays. Not "conceptiondays".
>>>>
>>>>Several times in the Bible individuals curse the moment of their
>>>>conception.
>>>
>>>The Bible also claims that people are create not in a woman's womb but
>>>in the depths of the earth.
>>
>>From dust we come, and to dust we will return.
>
>Non sequitur.
No big surprise there.
>>>And it also says that God knows us BEFORE conception, so is killing
>>>sperm and egg murder?
>>
>>No, because they have not united yet.
>
>You ignore what the Bible says in order to make up your own rules.
What have I ignored? Surely not another one of those sections like you
so asininely quoted before. Still waiting on the answer to the
question about murdering the guy that knocked up your rhetorical gal.
>>>> Seems to me that they knew when they became human, and
>>>>when life began.
>>>
>>>When sperm and egg are created?
>>
>>Ah, but humans are diploid organisms,
>
>No they're not. They're multicellular organisms made up of cells that
>are diploid, haploid, and some without chromosomes at all.
Yes, but for the most part, diploid. Don't see many haploid organisms
walking about, do you?
D
David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On 3 Mar 2005 21:12:42 GMT, "Murdoc" <[email protected]> was
understood to have stated the following:
>
>Matthew 5:39-41 (NIV)
>39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to
>him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak
>as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
>
>What, exactly, does that have to do with abortion, Ray?
He believes it means that if a woman asks for an abortion, you must
provide her with one. Oddly enough, he hasn't seemed to be interested
in answering what action I should take if that same woman asked me to
kill the man that impregnated her.
All he seems to be capable of doing is accusing others of possessing
his faults, and jumping up and down like a two year old throwing a
tantrum. He's a far cry from the father of lies, but he's trying.
understood to have stated the following:
>
>Matthew 5:39-41 (NIV)
>39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to
>him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak
>as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
>
>What, exactly, does that have to do with abortion, Ray?
He believes it means that if a woman asks for an abortion, you must
provide her with one. Oddly enough, he hasn't seemed to be interested
in answering what action I should take if that same woman asked me to
kill the man that impregnated her.
All he seems to be capable of doing is accusing others of possessing
his faults, and jumping up and down like a two year old throwing a
tantrum. He's a far cry from the father of lies, but he's trying.
D
David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:09:04 GMT, [email protected] (Ray
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
>
>And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
>
>> is not talking about
>>anything other than human life.
>
>Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
>laws?
Evidently you just want to skip Exodus 20:13, like it doesn't exist.
Good work! Way to go Ray!
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
>
>And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
>
>> is not talking about
>>anything other than human life.
>
>Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
>laws?
Evidently you just want to skip Exodus 20:13, like it doesn't exist.
Good work! Way to go Ray!
D
David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:07:51 GMT, [email protected] (Ray
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
>
>Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
Where did he stated he had terminated a human life, or are you once
again pulling **** out of your ass and presenting it as "fact?"
Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
>
>Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
Where did he stated he had terminated a human life, or are you once
again pulling **** out of your ass and presenting it as "fact?"
D
David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:19:48 +0000 (UTC), "junegill"
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the following:
>> Ultimately I don't believe that Jesus speaks against abortion, but
>> then again I don't think He believed He had to. Exodus 20:13 condemns
>> killing,
>
>And Exodus 21:22-25 sets the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry as a
>mere fine.
Actually, it's a mere fine if the child is born prematurely, and no
further harm is done. "If the result is death, the offender must be
executed."
>and, as quoted before, John 1:1-4 & 14 proclaim Jesus to be
>> God's word in the flesh. It's just that some, like Mr. Fischer, seem
>> to have difficulty with John 1:5. Also be advised that being deceived
>> is rather easy.
>
>Ray also quoted Numbers 5 to you, but you seem to want to ignore this. Why?
Because Numbers 5 says nothing about abortion; only providing a bitter
drink that causes the woman to swell. I've known several women who
I've seen swell because of digestive track issues, not due to
pregnancy.
Do all liberals have such reading comprehension issues, or is it just
the ones that post on usenet?
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the following:
>> Ultimately I don't believe that Jesus speaks against abortion, but
>> then again I don't think He believed He had to. Exodus 20:13 condemns
>> killing,
>
>And Exodus 21:22-25 sets the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry as a
>mere fine.
Actually, it's a mere fine if the child is born prematurely, and no
further harm is done. "If the result is death, the offender must be
executed."
>and, as quoted before, John 1:1-4 & 14 proclaim Jesus to be
>> God's word in the flesh. It's just that some, like Mr. Fischer, seem
>> to have difficulty with John 1:5. Also be advised that being deceived
>> is rather easy.
>
>Ray also quoted Numbers 5 to you, but you seem to want to ignore this. Why?
Because Numbers 5 says nothing about abortion; only providing a bitter
drink that causes the woman to swell. I've known several women who
I've seen swell because of digestive track issues, not due to
pregnancy.
Do all liberals have such reading comprehension issues, or is it just
the ones that post on usenet?
D
David W. Poole, Jr.
Guest
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:48:50 -0000, Pat Winstanley
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the
following:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> No, I've made the statement numerous times when a human being is
>> created.
>>
>
>The following defines (across pretty much the whole world) when the
>status of 'human being' (or 'person') begins.
>
>Would you like to demonstrate that these laws are all somehow wrong?
So when ****** made it legal to kill the jews, he was in the right?
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the
following:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> No, I've made the statement numerous times when a human being is
>> created.
>>
>
>The following defines (across pretty much the whole world) when the
>status of 'human being' (or 'person') begins.
>
>Would you like to demonstrate that these laws are all somehow wrong?
So when ****** made it legal to kill the jews, he was in the right?
N
Neil Brooks
Guest
"S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Neil Brooks wrote:
>> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Brooks wrote:
>>>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>>>
>>> A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>>>
>>> Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>>>
>>> Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or
>>> something like that.)
>>>
>>> He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>>>
>>
>> This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
>> an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
>> is wrong?"
>>
>> If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
>
>Ah, my newsreader kept it in the same thread; I just wanted some closure on
>that last bit. (I *did* miss the phonetic similarity to the previous topic;
>just assumed you were tripping...again!)
Statistically, a safe bet. After Boyle M. Owl brought back Firesign
Theatre, I just had to . . . .
>> Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
>> and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
>> white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
>> experience....
>
>Story? (And wasn't SCC /extremely/ soft and wet? Sycamore {Santee} usually
>holds up much, much better, and it was NASTY last night. Might just buy a
>whole new bike instead of tackling my drivetrain!)
SCC was a duathlon and I was ill-prepared for the swim portion. Very
glad I wore my cheap shoes. Even the dry land part was brutal. Looks
like they must have dumped sand on the trails since El Nino left its
wake. It just plain sucked.
My old cousin, Dave (looong dead) was notorious for buying a new
Cadillac whenever the old one's ashtrays were full. Cleaning
drivetrains is overrated. Lemme' know: bike shopping on /somebody
else's/ credit card's a hoot!
On my way back home, via Balboa (roads are good for dislodging mud
from the knobbies). Crossed Clairemont when said driver made 30
degree lane change toward curb in front of -- what is that: Salvation
Army? -- to pick up her sidewalk-awaiting friend. Her move was a
direct hit trajectory but for "blind" luck, powerful (and recently
well-adjusted) canti's, and quick reflexes.
I yelled as I passed her by, then pointed upward with a single digit,
letting her know in which direction to look within her car to find her
rear-view mirror. As I came down the (40mph) downhill, she blazed by
and blasted the horn as she passed me.
Bimbo. Car-driving bimbo . . . with two tiny child-seat-bound tots in
the back seat. Where's the foster care system when you need them.
I don't want this to turn into a thread about "how many of you carry
weapons while you ride," but . . . as it turns out . . . the headset
mount for my old Cateye Wireless is nearly a perfect swap for this:
http://snipurl.com/d7w9
>Besides, you can't die yet; you've got a MOOTS to live for! (And since it's
>too big for ME...)
a) You'd still ride it and you know it;
b) They are cutting it annoyingly close for that Solvang Century. I
may have to offer to (GULP!) pay for 2-day air from Steamboat Springs
to ensure that I get it....
>Neil Brooks wrote:
>> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Brooks wrote:
>>>> Slight change of topic. I thought it was time.
>>>
>>> A Porsche's strong...WHAT?!?
>>>
>>> Showing? Smell of cheese? (Or two.) Handling characteristics?
>>>
>>> Edward G. Robinson: "Yeah. So where's your savior now?" (Or
>>> something like that.)
>>>
>>> He's out taking a test drive, Bill S.
>>>
>>
>> This new newsreader started a new thread, though I was responding to
>> an existing thread . . . called "In the Bible, does Jesus say abortion
>> is wrong?"
>>
>> If you say /my/ subject aloud, it does sound rather similar.
>
>Ah, my newsreader kept it in the same thread; I just wanted some closure on
>that last bit. (I *did* miss the phonetic similarity to the previous topic;
>just assumed you were tripping...again!)
Statistically, a safe bet. After Boyle M. Owl brought back Firesign
Theatre, I just had to . . . .
>> Just back from San Clemente Canyon with ye olde tank-bike. Both it
>> and I are now thoroughly wet. If you happen to see a young girl in a
>> white Volvo 2KJK987, would you kindly flip her off for me. Near death
>> experience....
>
>Story? (And wasn't SCC /extremely/ soft and wet? Sycamore {Santee} usually
>holds up much, much better, and it was NASTY last night. Might just buy a
>whole new bike instead of tackling my drivetrain!)
SCC was a duathlon and I was ill-prepared for the swim portion. Very
glad I wore my cheap shoes. Even the dry land part was brutal. Looks
like they must have dumped sand on the trails since El Nino left its
wake. It just plain sucked.
My old cousin, Dave (looong dead) was notorious for buying a new
Cadillac whenever the old one's ashtrays were full. Cleaning
drivetrains is overrated. Lemme' know: bike shopping on /somebody
else's/ credit card's a hoot!
On my way back home, via Balboa (roads are good for dislodging mud
from the knobbies). Crossed Clairemont when said driver made 30
degree lane change toward curb in front of -- what is that: Salvation
Army? -- to pick up her sidewalk-awaiting friend. Her move was a
direct hit trajectory but for "blind" luck, powerful (and recently
well-adjusted) canti's, and quick reflexes.
I yelled as I passed her by, then pointed upward with a single digit,
letting her know in which direction to look within her car to find her
rear-view mirror. As I came down the (40mph) downhill, she blazed by
and blasted the horn as she passed me.
Bimbo. Car-driving bimbo . . . with two tiny child-seat-bound tots in
the back seat. Where's the foster care system when you need them.
I don't want this to turn into a thread about "how many of you carry
weapons while you ride," but . . . as it turns out . . . the headset
mount for my old Cateye Wireless is nearly a perfect swap for this:
http://snipurl.com/d7w9
>Besides, you can't die yet; you've got a MOOTS to live for! (And since it's
>too big for ME...)
a) You'd still ride it and you know it;
b) They are cutting it annoyingly close for that Solvang Century. I
may have to offer to (GULP!) pay for 2-day air from Steamboat Springs
to ensure that I get it....
P
Pat Winstanley
Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:48:50 -0000, Pat Winstanley
> <[email protected]> was understood to have stated the
> following:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] says...
> >>
> >> No, I've made the statement numerous times when a human being is
> >> created.
> >>
> >
> >The following defines (across pretty much the whole world) when the
> >status of 'human being' (or 'person') begins.
> >
> >Would you like to demonstrate that these laws are all somehow wrong?
>
> So when ****** made it legal to kill the jews, he was in the right?
>
>
>
Was he?
That appears to be your suggestion... it certainly wasn't mine! ;-))
(Incidentally the killing of the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals,
physically/mentally disabled etc by the Germans in WWII in their reace-
pruity drive, was illegal according to German law at the time - ie.
****** and his minions broke the law when they did that - they acted
illegally).
[email protected] says...
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:48:50 -0000, Pat Winstanley
> <[email protected]> was understood to have stated the
> following:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] says...
> >>
> >> No, I've made the statement numerous times when a human being is
> >> created.
> >>
> >
> >The following defines (across pretty much the whole world) when the
> >status of 'human being' (or 'person') begins.
> >
> >Would you like to demonstrate that these laws are all somehow wrong?
>
> So when ****** made it legal to kill the jews, he was in the right?
>
>
>
Was he?
That appears to be your suggestion... it certainly wasn't mine! ;-))
(Incidentally the killing of the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals,
physically/mentally disabled etc by the Germans in WWII in their reace-
pruity drive, was illegal according to German law at the time - ie.
****** and his minions broke the law when they did that - they acted
illegally).
R
Ray Fischer
Guest
David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Ray Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>
>>> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>>>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
>>
>>Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
>
>Where did he stated he had terminated a human life, or are you once
>again pulling **** out of your ass and presenting it as "fact?"
Everybody "terminates" human life, from sperm cells to blood cells.
By the pro-liar propaganda even you are guilty of murder when you
refuse to give up your money and freedom to help people live.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
> [email protected] (Ray Fischer) was understood to have stated the following:
>
>>> It doesn't matter how or why or what you want to call
>>>it, terminate a human life and you are guilty of murder! ***
>>
>>Then you are a murderer, damned by your own hate.
>
>Where did he stated he had terminated a human life, or are you once
>again pulling **** out of your ass and presenting it as "fact?"
Everybody "terminates" human life, from sperm cells to blood cells.
By the pro-liar propaganda even you are guilty of murder when you
refuse to give up your money and freedom to help people live.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
R
Ray Fischer
Guest
David W. Poole, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Ray Fischer)
>>Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>>>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
>>
>>And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
>>
>>> is not talking about
>>>anything other than human life.
>>
>>Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
>>laws?
>
>Evidently you just want to skip Exodus 20:13, like it doesn't exist.
Like a typical pro-liar you resort to lies whenever your hate-filled
ideology is challenged. That passage from Exodus says NOTHING that
has anything to do with abortion.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
> [email protected] (Ray Fischer)
>>Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>*** Here you are in a Christian NG putting man's law above that of the
>>>Eternals, Ex. 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL..."
>>
>>And if English was good enough for Moses then it's good enough for you.
>>
>>> is not talking about
>>>anything other than human life.
>>
>>Where does it say that? Or are YOU putting your own rules above God's
>>laws?
>
>Evidently you just want to skip Exodus 20:13, like it doesn't exist.
Like a typical pro-liar you resort to lies whenever your hate-filled
ideology is challenged. That passage from Exodus says NOTHING that
has anything to do with abortion.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
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