Inappropriate AD in Bicycling Magazine

[Lloyd Payne]

Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow suitl

I am a new subscriber. I am 66 years old and a parent of 6 and
grandparent of 33. I have 4 great grandchildren. I am not a prude,
however there is a ad in your marketplace section by LIBERATOR to which
I object. I share my magazines with my grandchildren and hope that they
will be intrested in cycling. However, that ad has nothing to do with
cycling and is extremely suggestive, also possibly suggesting that it is
ordinary fare for cyclists. If you desire to keep publishing that ad or
others like it, please refund my unused subscription amount and cancel
my subscription. Otherwise, I enjoy your magazine and would enjoy
continuing to recieve it. The choice is yours.
Thank you very much for your consideration.
Lloyd Payne

Their response:
Thank you for contacting Bicycling Magazine.
Although you asked us to stop your subscription, our records indicate
that your account is paid for future copies. Since most of our
customers wish to receive any prepaid copies, we will continue service
until your subscription expires. Should you prefer a refund, simply
return this email instructing us.
Thank you
Bicycling Magazine
ji


My last response to them:
Bicycling Magazine,
ji
As I satated in my original message, I do not wish to recieve any more of
your magazines that contain advertisements for LIBERATOR. I asked you to
indicate if you are going to continue those advertisements and instructed
you to refund my subscription price if you are going to continue to carry
them. They have NO PLACE in a cycling magazine. Please do as I instructed
you. The choice is now up to you and I will do what I need to do next
depending on your response.

Very Sincerely
Lloyd V. Payne

 

[Sorni]

Lloyd Payne wrote:
> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
> inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow
> suitl
> I am a new subscriber. I am 66 years old and a parent of 6 and
> grandparent of 33. I have 4 great grandchildren. I am not a prude,
> however there is a ad in your marketplace section by LIBERATOR to
> which I object. I share my magazines with my grandchildren and hope that
> they will be intrested in cycling. However, that ad has nothing to do
> with cycling and is extremely suggestive, also possibly suggesting
> that it is ordinary fare for cyclists. If you desire to keep
> publishing that ad or others like it, please refund my unused
> subscription amount and cancel my subscription. Otherwise, I enjoy your
> magazine and would enjoy
> continuing to recieve it. The choice is yours.
> Thank you very much for your consideration.
> Lloyd Payne
>
> Their response:
> Thank you for contacting Bicycling Magazine.
> Although you asked us to stop your subscription, our records indicate
> that your account is paid for future copies. Since most of our
> customers wish to receive any prepaid copies, we will continue service
> until your subscription expires. Should you prefer a refund, simply
> return this email instructing us.
> Thank you
> Bicycling Magazine
> ji
>
>
> My last response to them:
> Bicycling Magazine,
> ji
> As I satated in my original message, I do not wish to recieve any
> more of your magazines that contain advertisements for LIBERATOR. I
> asked you to indicate if you are going to continue those
> advertisements and instructed you to refund my subscription price if
> you are going to continue to carry them. They have NO PLACE in a
> cycling magazine. Please do as I instructed you. The choice is now up
> to you and I will do what I need to do next depending on your
> response.
> Very Sincerely
> Lloyd V. Payne

So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess and/or
take your word for it?)

Curious Bill

 

[Lloyd Payne]

>
> So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
> What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess and/or
> take your word for it?)
>
> Curious Bill

They advertise http://www.liberator.com in their ad. Their pictures in
their ads were of the same type. Thanks to all for letting me vent.

>
>

 

[oilfreeandhappy]

I didn't see the AD. But I heard it's similar to their website.

www.liberator.com

If that's the case, I'd say it's pretty sleazy for a Bicycle Magazine.

Jim Gagnepain
http://home.comcast.net/~oil_free_and_happy/

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

oilfreeandhappy wrote:
> I didn't see the AD. But I heard it's similar to their website.
>
> www.liberator.com
>
> If that's the case, I'd say it's pretty sleazy for a Bicycle Magazine.
>

Not surprising, really. The couple pictured on the website just want to
do to each other what Buycycling Magazine has been doing to their
readers for years.

 

[Ludmila Borgschatz-Thudpucker, MD]

"Lloyd Payne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
> inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow suit

I read their response to mean that you could have the magazines or a refund
but that they aren't going to react to, and in fact don't care about, your
concerns.

 

[[email protected]]

Lloyd Payne wrote:

> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
> inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow suitl

So much consternation over kids' exposure to sex. Seemingly so little
ado about their ubiquitous exposure to violence.

Sad.

 

[Roger Zoul]

Lloyd Payne wrote:
:: Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
:: inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow
:: suitl
::
:: I am a new subscriber. I am 66 years old and a parent of 6 and
:: grandparent of 33. I have 4 great grandchildren. I am not a prude,
:: however there is a ad in your marketplace section by LIBERATOR to
:: which
:: I object. I share my magazines with my grandchildren and hope that
:: they will be intrested in cycling. However, that ad has nothing to
:: do with cycling and is extremely suggestive, also possibly
:: suggesting that it is ordinary fare for cyclists. If you desire to
:: keep publishing that ad or others like it, please refund my unused
:: subscription amount and cancel
:: my subscription. Otherwise, I enjoy your magazine and would enjoy
:: continuing to recieve it. The choice is yours.
:: Thank you very much for your consideration.
:: Lloyd Payne
::
:: Their response:
:: Thank you for contacting Bicycling Magazine.
:: Although you asked us to stop your subscription, our records indicate
:: that your account is paid for future copies. Since most of our
:: customers wish to receive any prepaid copies, we will continue
:: service until your subscription expires. Should you prefer a refund,
:: simply return this email instructing us.
:: Thank you
:: Bicycling Magazine
:: ji
::
::
:: My last response to them:
:: Bicycling Magazine,
:: ji
:: As I satated in my original message, I do not wish to recieve any
:: more of your magazines that contain advertisements for LIBERATOR. I
:: asked you to indicate if you are going to continue those
:: advertisements and instructed you to refund my subscription price if
:: you are going to continue to carry them. They have NO PLACE in a
:: cycling magazine. Please do as I instructed you. The choice is now
:: up to you and I will do what I need to do next depending on your
:: response.

Lloyd, do you really expect them to do as you instructed? Are you kidding?
Why don't you just cancel your sub and be done with it. You can write them a
letter saying why.

I've seen those ads. They don't bother me. You can't censor the world to
protect your kids and grandkids, Sorry. The best you can do is to teach
them.

 

[[email protected]]

Bicycling has been running suggestive ads like this for years. From
1975: "Grease [seatpost] before inserting."

Why anybody would read that magazine is a mystery to me. Talk about a
waste of paper!

 

[Bill Baka]

Lloyd Payne wrote:
>>So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
>>What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess and/or
>>take your word for it?)
>>
>>Curious Bill
>
>
> They advertise http://www.liberator.com in their ad. Their pictures in
> their ads were of the same type. Thanks to all for letting me vent.
>
>
>>
>
>
I don't know about cycling but haver her at home would make me want to
get home from my rides a whole lot FASTER. Sex furniture? I thought that
was what the dining room table was for??

Taking a moment to re-compose.

Nope, no bicycle stuff there.

Eyes wide open now Bill.

 

[Bill Baka]

catzz66 wrote:
> Lloyd Payne wrote:
>
>> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine ...
>
>
> I don't think you are a regular contributor here, but the only vote you
> have is with your pocketbook. If you don't like what you see, don't buy
> the magazine.

Amen.
The problem is kids in 6th grade on up talk more and nastier about sex
than that ad suggested. Just sneak up on a group of kids in that age
group and your ears will get burned. I am a 57 yo grandparent too, and
tell them they can't ride along with me if they talk like that, but I
have no power over what goes on in school and on the streets.
That level of stuff was not even tolerated in high school in my day and
college students wouldn't lower them selves to it. I do remember at 13
the big deal was sneaking a look at Playboy.
Things have changed, not necessarily for the better.
Bill

 

[catzz66]

Lloyd Payne wrote:
> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine ...

I don't think you are a regular contributor here, but the only vote you
have is with your pocketbook. If you don't like what you see, don't buy
the magazine.

 

[catzz66]

[email protected] wrote:
> Bicycling has been running suggestive ads like this for years. From
> 1975: "Grease [seatpost] before inserting."
>
> Why anybody would read that magazine is a mystery to me. Talk about a
> waste of paper!
>

[joke mode on] I think your email address is suggestive. Please change
it. [joke mode off]

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

[email protected] wrote:
> Bicycling has been running suggestive ads like this for years. From
> 1975: "Grease [seatpost] before inserting."
>
> Why anybody would read that magazine is a mystery to me. Talk about a
> waste of paper!


My guess is that their reader base is mostly relative newbies trying to
"become cyclists". After a year or two, they either move on to new
activities ("Now I'm into Cardio-Tennis! Cycling is so last year.") or,
if they remain cyclists, see Buycycling for the commercial drivel it
is.

As late as the mid-eighties, there was some useful info in Bicycling.
Then it took a sharp nose dive, right around the time Geoff Drake
became editor-in-chief and Frank Berto was given the gate.

 

[Bill Baka]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Bicycling has been running suggestive ads like this for years. From
>>1975: "Grease [seatpost] before inserting."
>>
>>Why anybody would read that magazine is a mystery to me. Talk about a
>>waste of paper!
>
>
>
> My guess is that their reader base is mostly relative newbies trying to
> "become cyclists". After a year or two, they either move on to new
> activities ("Now I'm into Cardio-Tennis! Cycling is so last year.") or,
> if they remain cyclists, see Buycycling for the commercial drivel it
> is.

Cardio-Tennis? I play tennis but can't do it for 2 hours every day.
OK, some people have a short attention span.
Buycycling? I go to my LBS, 2 of them here.
>
> As late as the mid-eighties, there was some useful info in Bicycling.
> Then it took a sharp nose dive, right around the time Geoff Drake
> became editor-in-chief and Frank Berto was given the gate.
>
The magazines might be entertainment for a rainy day, maybe they will
actually have a useful ad for a real new product, but mostly a waste of
time and money. Reading Road and Track won't make me go out and buy a
new Ferrari either.
I wish.
Bill

 

[catzz66]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> My guess is that their reader base is mostly relative newbies trying to
> "become cyclists". After a year or two, they either move on to new
> activities ("Now I'm into Cardio-Tennis! Cycling is so last year.") or,
> if they remain cyclists, see Buycycling for the commercial drivel it
> is.
>

Who knows? A certain percentage may become serious riders and if it
motivates them, that's not bad.

 

[Fred]

"Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Lloyd Payne wrote:
>>>So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
>>>What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess
>>>and/or take your word for it?)
>>>
>>>Curious Bill
>>
>>
>> They advertise http://www.liberator.com in their ad. Their pictures in
>> their ads were of the same type. Thanks to all for letting me vent.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
> I don't know about cycling but haver her at home would make me want to get
> home from my rides a whole lot FASTER. Sex furniture? I thought that was
> what the dining room table was for??
>
> Taking a moment to re-compose.
>
> Nope, no bicycle stuff there.
>
> Eyes wide open now Bill



What on earth do you object too?

Sex?
Sex 'furniture'?
Sex aids?
Advertising?

Doesn't sound like you'll ever find a magazine that you'd be happy with.

 

[Bill Baka]

Fred wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
>
>>Lloyd Payne wrote:
>>
>>>>So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
>>>>What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess
>>>>and/or take your word for it?)
>>>>
>>>>Curious Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>They advertise http://www.liberator.com in their ad. Their pictures in
>>>their ads were of the same type. Thanks to all for letting me vent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I don't know about cycling but haver her at home would make me want to get
>>home from my rides a whole lot FASTER. Sex furniture? I thought that was
>>what the dining room table was for??
>>
>>Taking a moment to re-compose.
>>
>>Nope, no bicycle stuff there.
>>
>>Eyes wide open now Bill
>
>
>
>
> What on earth do you object too?
>
> Sex?
> Sex 'furniture'?
> Sex aids?
> Advertising?
>
> Doesn't sound like you'll ever find a magazine that you'd be happy with.
>
>
He said he was 66. Maybe he forgot. I'm 57 and just drooled.
No problem, but now my wife doesn't look the same.
Sigh.
Bill

 

[SlowRider]

Lloyd Payne wrote:
> Here is correspondence sent to Bicycling Magazine . I think the ad is
> inappropriate for a cycling magazine. Others may also wish to follow suitl

I went to the website -- hmm, I'm going to have to consult with my
sweetie about that furniture...

....but that's not what you were asking. The Liberator ads wouldn't
offend me, but I understand why you'd be reluctant to show them to
young kids. At the least, Rodale's customer service should have
answered your questions. If you've read a couple of issues, you've
probably noticed that the whole magazine is thinly-veiled advertising.
The articles are adolescent at best. I subscribed for a year several
years ago and I was so disappointed I simply tossed the last few issues
rather than waste time reading them. If I were you, I'd just cancel
the subscription and ask for my money back.

You might try VeloNews (velonews.com) instead. Their website articles
are generally better than anything I've seen in Bicycling, but VeloNews
focuses on racing so there isn't a lot there for casual riders.


-JR

 

[Fred]

"Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Fred wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:%[email protected]...
>>
>>>Lloyd Payne wrote:
>>>
>>>>>So was this an ad for a Terry Liberator SADDLE? Or some other product?
>>>>>What did you find objectionable? (Or are we just supposed to guess
>>>>>and/or take your word for it?)
>>>>>
>>>>>Curious Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They advertise http://www.liberator.com in their ad. Their pictures in
>>>>their ads were of the same type. Thanks to all for letting me vent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I don't know about cycling but haver her at home would make me want to
>>>get home from my rides a whole lot FASTER. Sex furniture? I thought that
>>>was what the dining room table was for??
>>>
>>>Taking a moment to re-compose.
>>>
>>>Nope, no bicycle stuff there.
>>>
>>>Eyes wide open now Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What on earth do you object too?
>>
>> Sex?
>> Sex 'furniture'?
>> Sex aids?
>> Advertising?
>>
>> Doesn't sound like you'll ever find a magazine that you'd be happy with.
> He said he was 66. Maybe he forgot. I'm 57 and just drooled.
> No problem, but now my wife doesn't look the same.
> Sigh.
> Bill

Yeah - I'm a 1948 model also, with a wife just like that too! Just as well
the eyesight drops off a bit in later years.
Sigh
Fred.