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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
> I think they're trying to invent a trade-off between "comfort" and
> "performance" -- adds a certain "cachet" to the wheel selection process,
> but unfortunately it's all BS -- creative marketing for a 100 year old
> product.
You're suggesting a 100 year old product cannot be improved upon? That
advances in materials and techniques are irrelevant?
There was a time when spoke quality was so low that we simply had no choice
but to use lots (36, while the hip & trendy & dangerous used 32) of
spokes... and they were still prone to failure. We simply had no choice in
the matter. Sure, some spokes were much better than others (the ugly
Robergel Sport was a wonderful spoke, while the much more often used 3-Star
looked beautiful but failed frequently), but the message then was clear. Use
more spoke and you'll see less breakage.
That simply is not the case now. Spoke failure is a very rare thing compared
to back in the day, even on low spoke count wheels.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> http://www.wheelbuilder.com/tips/Spokes.asp
>> "As the number of spoke crossings increase the angle in which each spoke
>> leaves the hub approaches 90o (tangential). Wheels with 3x or 4x lace
>> patterns will usually transfer power more efficiently than those with 2x
>> patterns. As the number of spoke crossings increase the length of each
>> spoke increases. Longer spokes are more flexible and contribute to
>> decreased radial stiffness, which improves ride quality. Consequently
>> wheels with more spoke crossings have lower lateral stiffness, which is
>> important to cornering stability."
>>
>> #1: Does a difference in spoke length from, say, 288mm to 302mm, which is
>> about 5%, actually contribute to a difference you can feel?
>>
>> #2: How does "lower lateral stiffness" improve cornering stability?
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think they're trying to invent a trade-off between "comfort" and
> "performance" -- adds a certain "cachet" to the wheel selection process,
> but unfortunately it's all BS -- creative marketing for a 100 year old
> product.
> "performance" -- adds a certain "cachet" to the wheel selection process,
> but unfortunately it's all BS -- creative marketing for a 100 year old
> product.
You're suggesting a 100 year old product cannot be improved upon? That
advances in materials and techniques are irrelevant?
There was a time when spoke quality was so low that we simply had no choice
but to use lots (36, while the hip & trendy & dangerous used 32) of
spokes... and they were still prone to failure. We simply had no choice in
the matter. Sure, some spokes were much better than others (the ugly
Robergel Sport was a wonderful spoke, while the much more often used 3-Star
looked beautiful but failed frequently), but the message then was clear. Use
more spoke and you'll see less breakage.
That simply is not the case now. Spoke failure is a very rare thing compared
to back in the day, even on low spoke count wheels.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> http://www.wheelbuilder.com/tips/Spokes.asp
>> "As the number of spoke crossings increase the angle in which each spoke
>> leaves the hub approaches 90o (tangential). Wheels with 3x or 4x lace
>> patterns will usually transfer power more efficiently than those with 2x
>> patterns. As the number of spoke crossings increase the length of each
>> spoke increases. Longer spokes are more flexible and contribute to
>> decreased radial stiffness, which improves ride quality. Consequently
>> wheels with more spoke crossings have lower lateral stiffness, which is
>> important to cornering stability."
>>
>> #1: Does a difference in spoke length from, say, 288mm to 302mm, which is
>> about 5%, actually contribute to a difference you can feel?
>>
>> #2: How does "lower lateral stiffness" improve cornering stability?
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think they're trying to invent a trade-off between "comfort" and
> "performance" -- adds a certain "cachet" to the wheel selection process,
> but unfortunately it's all BS -- creative marketing for a 100 year old
> product.