Is it REALLY over?

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  1. J Jones

    J Jones Guest

    Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why wouldn't
    the guys race?

    Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?

    Just curious... Jeff
     
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  2. "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    > tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    > wouldn't the guys race?

    Because it's tradition.

    It's also tradition to wait for your GC rival after he's crashed.
     
  3. "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    > tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    > wouldn't the guys race?
    >
    > Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?

    Sure, he can try.
    --
    Marty
     
  4. Michael

    Michael Guest

    "Marty Pietruszka" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to
    break-away
    > > tomorrow? I realize the tradition, but the tradition just seems silly
    to
    > > me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why wouldn't the guys race?
    > >
    > > Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?
    >
    > Sure, he can try.
    > --
    > Marty

    Consider one of the best breakaways in recent history by someone high in the GC -- Tyler Hamilton.
    Even though he performed beautifully in a stage
    (16) with mountains (not a flat stage, where a breakaway would have even less a chance of success),
    he could only put 1:55 minutes on the rest of the riders.

    Furthermore, Ullrich no longer has a full team, so even if he tried to turn it into a team time
    trial, the Posties have a decided edge.

    M.
     
  5. Kupa

    Kupa New Member

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    A cross post of mine from Cyclingforums.

    If stage 20 were a "real" stage and the teams were willing to try something crazy....

    ... then Ulrich could be in a fight for the jersey and potentially could succede if he engineered a break, followed with the ride of his life. There is a 2.4 km category 4 climb at the 23.5 km marker. As good as spot as any on this course for a break.

    And a smart rider would work together in that break with another rider that is equally motivated for a betterment of their final standing, riders like Vinokourov, Mayo, Zubeldia or Hamilton would be a good choice to have in that group. Get one of these riders in the break, set up a team time trial and Ulrich could hold onto and make up the 1' 16".

    It would really force USPS to catch the group to return Lance to top position, and it would cost any of the other riders in the top 5 positions nothing if the attempt failed and they did get caught. They don't race Monday, and as long as they finish in the peltoton or the bridging group with Armstrong they basically maintain current standings. What a race that would be.

    If USPS's manager was a chess player though, maybe he'd see this crazy possibility occuring, (it has been one of the craziest, most riveting tours ever) and perhaps devise a counter attack plan.

    Perhaps something along the line of a discussion with Hamilton, who is yearning for a top 3 position, and is one of the strongest time trialers on the tour; combined with his ability to stave off pain like no-one's business... Being a former USPS rider, Tyler's probably easy enough for USPS to get in touch with tonight to discuss such crazy plans...

    Anyway, at that same cat 4 climb, Lance and Tyler attack off the front, with the bulk of the USPS and CSC teams holding the peloton in check. They get into the flats and pull off a killer team time trial (I think they've particed that a few times together); they build a gap better than 5' 16", securing Tyler the number 2 position over Ulrich, cementing Lance's yellow jersey, and Lance being the gentleman and friend of Tyler's that he is, let's Hamilton take a second stage victory.

    With the relationship between Hamilton and Armstrong as it is, and the risk for something else as crazy to happen, maybe a plan like one of these makes sense in a weird sort of way. That said, it's unlikely, as the unwritten rule is that the last stage is a parade.

    What if the crazy could happen though... That would be a suitably amazing finish to the hundredth anniversary of the tour. Now where did I put Tyler's cell phone number ;-)

    Cheers,

    Steve Cooper
     
  6. Joeg

    Joeg Guest

    Besides LA and JU had no need to catch TH during that stage

    Michael wrote:

    > "Marty Pietruszka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>"J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to
    >
    > break-away
    >
    >>>tomorrow? I realize the tradition, but the tradition just seems silly
    >
    > to
    >
    >>>me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why wouldn't the guys race?
    >>>
    >>>Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?
    >>
    >>Sure, he can try.
    >>--
    >>Marty
    >
    >
    >
    > Consider one of the best breakaways in recent history by someone high in the GC -- Tyler Hamilton.
    > Even though he performed beautifully in a stage
    > (16) with mountains (not a flat stage, where a breakaway would have even less a chance of
    > success), he could only put 1:55 minutes on the rest of the riders.
    >
    > Furthermore, Ullrich no longer has a full team, so even if he tried to turn it into a team time
    > trial, the Posties have a decided edge.
    >
    > M.
     
  7. Raptor

    Raptor Guest

    Kupa wrote:
    > Anyway, at that same cat 4 climb, Lance and Tyler attack off the front, with the bulk of the USPS
    > and CSC teams holding the peloton in check. They get into the flats and pull off a killer team
    > time trial (I think they've particed that a few times together); they build a gap better than 5'
    > 16", securing Tyler the number 2 position over Ulrich, cementing Lance's yellow jersey, and Lance
    > being the gentleman and friend of Tyler's that he is, let's Hamilton take a second stage victory.

    I don't see any breakaway holding off the combined efforts of about ten teams with sprinters who
    want to win the final stage.

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  8. Steve

    Steve Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]ail.com> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize
    > > the tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    > > wouldn't the guys race?
    >
    >
    >
    > Because it's tradition.
    >
    > It's also tradition to wait for your GC rival after he's crashed.

    That crash tradition is different, you don't want to win that way but if your close like Ulrich and
    you can attain victory by racing on the last day you do it! Would you hold it against Ulrich for
    racing on the last day and winning? I would'nt. Would Hinault or Merckx or Lemond respect this
    tradition it they were this close?? they would try to win.
     
  9. Harris

    Harris Guest

    "J Jones" wrote:

    > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    > tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    > wouldn't the guys race?

    Unless Lance crashes and breaks a leg, it's over.

    It has nothing to do with tradition. Tomorrow is a flat stage. No way the Postal team would allow
    Ullrich to get any kind of a gap.

    Art Harris
     
  10. Jiyang Chen

    Jiyang Chen Guest

    He can still pedal with one leg can't he? "Harris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "J Jones" wrote:
    >
    > > Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to
    break-away
    > > tomorrow? I realize the tradition, but the tradition just seems silly
    to
    > > me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why wouldn't the guys race?
    >
    > Unless Lance crashes and breaks a leg, it's over.
    >
    > It has nothing to do with tradition. Tomorrow is a flat stage. No way the Postal team would allow
    > Ullrich to get any kind of a gap.
    >
    > Art Harris
     
  11. Shrek

    Shrek Guest

    teammates pulling him along to chance him down. Jeez, I really hate this time of year when all these
    posers invade our cheeky little news group.

    "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    >tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    >wouldn't the guys race?
    >
    >Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?
    >
    >Just curious... Jeff
     
  12. User968758

    User968758 Guest

    >other teammates pulling him along to chance him down. Jeez, I really hate this time of year when
    >all these posers invade our cheeky little news group.
    >

    Get a grip. And grow up.
     
  13. J Jones

    J Jones Guest

    "Shrek" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    other
    > teammates pulling him along to chance him down. Jeez, I really hate this
    time
    > of year when all these posers invade our cheeky little news group.
    If only I could live up to your high standards of excellence, my life would be complete. Thanks for
    setting me straight, oh wise and self-righteous one.

    BTW, if you were to pull your head out of your obviously inflamed gaping asshole, you might realize
    that I didn't suggest that a breakaway would be successful. Jeez, I really hate insecure assholes
    who derive their self-esteem from newsgroup participation. Jeff

    >
    > "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize the
    > >tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    > >wouldn't the guys race?
    > >
    > >Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?
    > >
    > >Just curious... Jeff
    > >
     
  14. Amg

    Amg Guest

    > He can still pedal with one leg can't he?

    Of course. But it's harder to keep the bicycle going in a straight line...
     
  15. G

    G Guest

    AMG <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > He can still pedal with one leg can't he?
    >
    > Of course. But it's harder to keep the bicycle going in a straight line...

    His team will take turns pushing him, and JU wont attack. (Much like Fasa Bortolo pushing Petacchi
    up the hills in the first week)

    GK
     
  16. Shrek

    Shrek Guest

    Sorry.

    "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Shrek" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    >other
    >> teammates pulling him along to chance him down. Jeez, I really hate this
    >time
    >> of year when all these posers invade our cheeky little news group.
    >If only I could live up to your high standards of excellence, my life would be complete. Thanks for
    >setting me straight, oh wise and self-righteous one.
    >
    >BTW, if you were to pull your head out of your obviously inflamed gaping asshole, you might realize
    >that I didn't suggest that a breakaway would be successful. Jeez, I really hate insecure assholes
    >who derive their self-esteem from newsgroup participation. Jeff
    >
    >
    >>
    >> "J Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Is there any chance whatsoever that Jan will attack and try to break-away tomorrow? I realize
    >> >the tradition, but the tradition just seems silly to me - it's a stage for cryin' out loud, why
    >> >wouldn't the guys race?
    >> >
    >> >Would it be unprecedented in Tour history for Jan to try to break-away tomorrow?
    >> >
    >> >Just curious... Jeff
    >> >
    >> >
    >
     
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