Mansmind said:
To answer your question directly....yes, they're considered to be good frames.
Like one of the other poster's said however, if you're ready to invest that many $$ on a good frame/bike, why not take your time? There are manygood frames out there, and some you will like better than others. Try them all and see which one fits YOU the best...looks, feel, and geometry. In the end, it's you that has to be happy with whatever you decide.
Good luck!
Agree with the posts above. Recommend you spend the fall/winter reading and test riding as many bikes as possible. Learn what kind of ride you like, and what fit you need and want, before buying a new bike.
When you start shopping, suggest you walk into an LBS with a metric tape measure (the fabric kind work well). Knowing the dimension range you're looking for on seat tubes and top tubes, and being able to check the frames quickly will cut through a lot
of the BS.
Don't place much value on weight. A pound more on a bike is alot better than having a frame or wheels that break on you in a couple of seasons. And if any salesman quotes bike weight, ask him to put it on the scale. If the LBS doesn't have one, ignore anything he says about weight.
Before you test ride, make sure the tires are all inflated to your favorite pressure, since tire pressures make a huge difference in ride and handling. Depends on your weight of course, but at 170 lbs, I like 100 psi front, 105 back. If the LBS won't take the time to correct the tire pressures before you test ride, go to another dealer.
Last, remember on many mid-priced and higher bikes, you can order a frame and have the LBS build it up with your choice of components and wheels. If you don't like the mix that's on the frame you want, ask about options. Enjoy your shopping.