The weight loss thread, as big as it is, has lots of information on this topic. There is definately a balance to be struck in nutrition; so why eat low carb or low fat, rather include both in the diet.
Originally posted by stevek
Carbs are hard to get without grains. I have been trying to sport gels. I found I need two hours before my ride with them.
I know my diet is not ideal but it is not horrible. I was eating three pieces of fruit because it took so long to give me energy I thought I needed that much. Now that I Know I need to eat 3 hours ahead of time I will try less.
Its unusual that you say you need to eat 3 hours prior to riding; because I find that my energy levels are very stable throughout the day. I can only think that this is because you are not eating enough (hence the weightloss; obviously desirable), not eating frequently enough or not eating enough carbohydrates.
Originally posted by stevek
But the facts of nutrition in the US are a joke. The food pyramid is not based on any medical fact it was based on corporation pressure and control. Look down the cereal isle to know who pushed the hardest.
I disagree (and I do research in nutrition) lots of research is unbias and not funded by co-orporations. The pyramid represents good and simple advice for the general population, that is... too much dietary fat leads to heart disease and refined foods and salt should be avoided most. It is likely and perhaps obvious that every person needs 'their own' food pyramid depending upon their situation. One fault with the pyramid is that it doesn't identify good fats or bad carbohydrates well enough; I don't think this is too great a problem as most western people eat too much fat for health. The link between high fat intake and heart disease is well established by Epidemiology. Finaly the pyramid is not a means for weight loss but a guide for healthy eating that most people can get something from.
Be aware that much of the information and hype around very low carbohydrates is created by companies like Atkins which are perhaps more guided by profit than many of the universities doing nutrition research!
Originally posted by stevek
The low fat idea was never started by doctors but it was a advertising gimmick that doctors fell on the bandwagon. I mean logic dictates eating fat has to make you fat. It hs to clog your arteries.
I doubt any doctor would suggest that eating fat would make you fat, as weight gain/loss is a simple equation of energy used and energy expended. It doesn't matter what source the enrgy comes from.
As for clogging up arteries, the particles that fat is carried in in the blood (the lipoproteins) are linked with the formation of plaque in the arteries. Furthermore, they increase after eating a fatty meal (perhaps as much as 200%) and the magnitude and duration of the increase is related to your risk of developing atherosclerosis (heart disease).
Originally posted by stevek
But low carb diets are starting to prove it wrong. Hell the world eats a lot of fat and is fine. What they don’t eat is a lot of processed carbs and fat.
They are? Atkins has fallen out of public favour very quickly; almost as fast as its rise. Didn't you know people are now on the GI diet!!!
Originally posted by stevek
All we have to look at is all the fast food places to see what causes a bad diet. That and we don’t move.
You've hit the nail on the head - people are eating highly processed foods that are low in nutrients and high in calories. Hence low health and high body weights. With little exercise people don't use that energy they eat.
Originally posted by stevek
Fat is fine if you work it off. It has been a part of human diet since we were humans. But grains and such only since we started cultivating. And since then we are discovering all these new heath problems humans started having and of course our teeth started going bad.
Yes, but we are also omnivours so are designed to eat a variety of foods. Historical data is not very useful for proving that carbohydrates are bad, because people do lots of things they didn't hundreds of years ago like smoking, lifestyle, etc. People also live longer so more diseases and different diseases can be seen. People have cultivated grains for hundreds of years, so these don't explain the recent increase in obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc.
Tooth decay is caused by refined sugars not grains or unrefined foods made from grains. Tooth decay is also less than it was when Humans were first Humans.
Originally posted by stevek
Low carbers have posted on here they have more energy doing it then eating a low fat diet.
And thats great for them... until they start exercising and get the knock (i.e. glycogen depletion) which is a dangerous state to be in!
Originally posted by stevek But as soon as the snow clears I will try less fruit and see.
But what I eat now just keeps me full. If I push harder on my bike I need more. Without fat in the diet you don’t stay full. It’s far easier to eat less fat calories and stay full over carb calories and always feel hungry.
Don't give up the fruit! Its an important source of nutrients, try eating more and spreading them over the course of a day.
Excluding fat from the diet would be bad advice, but high fat consumptions should also be avoided (particularly bad sources of fat - red meats, cheeses, animal fats, etc.). Avoiding carbohydrates is also poor advice, particularly when you are cycling so much.
Perhaps you are a very hungry person, but I am vegetarian and eat a balanced diet but rarely get hungry. (Balanced diet was 28% of calories from fat, 15% from protein and 57% from carbohydrates during a recent dietary analysis).
You probably know all this already and have considered it already; its just I feel what you have written about your diet and your response is extreme and far from ideal for someone who is a regular cyclist. Therefore I think you should consider an altenative view.
If you are so concerned about the effect of coorporations on nutrition information, then you should consider going to primary sources and basic texts on nutrition and dietetics. These at least will be free of bias.
Finaly, when using historical data try to put it in a modern context - most of it you will see is interesting and sometimes amusing, but of very little use!
Eating is easy, everyone knows whats health... they just choose not to eat it!