It's no wonder kids don't cycle



On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:04:18 +0000, Danny Colyer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 30/01/2008 20:28, Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:22:06 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Zog The Undeniable
>>>[email protected] says...
>>>
>>>>We bought the best bike we could for our 4-year old. It still weighs
>>>>more than my commuting bike.
>>>
>>>Islabikes Cnoc 16?

>>
>> Puky bikes are possibly better than Islabikes for children that age.
>> www.amba-marketing.com/products.php?cid=24&pid=147

>
>I would dispute that simply because Puky bikes are significantly heavier.
>
>When I was looking at bikes for my then-4-yo daughter, it came down to a
>choice between the Islabikes CNOC 14 and the Puky Z2. I felt that the
>Islabikes was technically the better bike, but more important as far as
>she was concerned was that the Puky was available in pink and had a flag
>on the front:
><http://www.redpedals.co.uk/jenny/0206-0706.html>


It's things like chainguards, racks and mudguards as standard that
make me feel that Puky might be more appropriate for younger children.

>My soon-to-be-4-yo son has been shown both bikes, including all of the
>colour schemes available from Puky, and much prefers the look of the
>Islabikes. He comes up to me when I'm using the computer and asks to
>see the bike that he's getting for his birthday. So, he'll be getting
>either the CNOC 14 or the CNOC 16, depending on how much he grows over
>the next few weeks (when I measured his inside leg 3 weeks ago he was
>2cm short of the minimum for the CNOC 16).


If you're sticking to the Islabikes range over the years, and are
prepared to stretch the sizes, your choice now could save you the
price of a whole bike!

Cnoc 14 - Beinn 20 small - Beinn 24 - Luath 26 - Luath 700
Cnoc 16 - Beinn 20 large - Beinn 26 - Luath 700

>So, later in the year, I'll be able to make a direct comparison between
>Islabikes and Puky.


Of course, a great advantage with Islabikes is that they can be passed
down from girl to boy or boy to girl without too much fuss over the
colour. But it also helps if families treat bikes as basic
necessities rather than gifts, otherwise it seems unfair that the
older child gets a new bike every two years as a birthday present
while the younger child always gets a hand-me-down and a different
pressie on their birthday.
 
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Danny Colyer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My soon-to-be-4-yo son has been shown both bikes, including all of
> the colour schemes available from Puky, and much prefers the look
> of the Islabikes.


Beware! Beware!

The web shows silver bikes - the one we received was black (midnight
charcoal grey or something).

http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/DSCN1043.JPG
http://www.astounding.org.uk/ian/temp/DSCN1044.JPG

or, in daylight (more useful for colour) but low resolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhHy-RkIWSg

My daughter thought she wanted a pink bike, but got an Islabikes in
next-thing-but-black and was very impressed. It might help that my
commuter bike is also nearly black, so she now has a bike like mine,
but the general reaction from school friends (girls and boys) has been
"wow - a _black_ bike".

regards, Ian SMith
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:28:57 +0000, Tom Crispin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:22:06 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Zog The Undeniable
>>[email protected] says...
>>
>>> We bought the best bike we could for our 4-year old. It still weighs
>>> more than my commuting bike.
>>>

>>Islabikes Cnoc 16?

>
>Puky bikes are possibly better than Islabikes for children that age.
>www.amba-marketing.com/products.php?cid=24&pid=147
>
>
>
>And how about this for a 24" children's bike?
>www.amba-marketing.com/products.php?cid=24&pid=695
>7 hub gears with back pedal brake and hub dynamo.
>
>The price hasn't been released yet, but I reckon it'll be over £300.


So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?

M.
 
On 31/01/2008 08:23, Ian Smith wrote:
> Beware! Beware!
>
> The web shows silver bikes - the one we received was black (midnight
> charcoal grey or something).


That's useful to know, thanks. I'll show Charlie the pictures, and ask
about colours when I order the bike.

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In message <[email protected]>
Tom Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:


> I have just received a £3,800 grant to run two week long cycle
> training programme for up to 24 10/11 year olds in foster care during
> the Spring Holiday - 2 weeks after Easter.


> The course is Monday - Wednesday 9am - 5pm and 9am Thursday to 6pm
> Friday mini cycle tour with an overnight stay in a youth hostel,
> including a 3 hour night ride.


Congratulations - what a wonderful thing to do.

--
Charles
Brompton P6R-Plus; CarryFreedom -YL, in Motspur Park
LCC; CTC.
 
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:20:40 +0000, Danny Colyer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>BTW Tom, what colours are your CNOC 16s? Before reading Ian's post I
>had assumed that they would all be unpainted aluminium, since that's
>what the website appears to show and, apart from the purple colour kit,
>I've never noticed any mention of other colours.


Grey and dark grey. There are some good pictures in the Gallery,
which seem to be in chronological order with most recent first, and it
does look like the colour may have changed.

http://www.islabikes.co.uk/gallery/gallery.html
 
In article <[email protected]>, Mark
[email protected] says...

> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?
>

You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
experience.
 
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:12:11 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>[email protected] says...
>
>> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
>> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?
>>

>You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
>cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
>good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
>couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
>experience.


That's not much good if you haven't got £200 to spare in the first
instance.
 
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:20:31 +0000, Tom Crispin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:04:00 +0000, Mark
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>And how about this for a 24" children's bike?
>>>www.amba-marketing.com/products.php?cid=24&pid=695
>>>7 hub gears with back pedal brake and hub dynamo.
>>>
>>>The price hasn't been released yet, but I reckon it'll be over £300.

>>
>>So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
>>who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
>>bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?

>
>Yes, it's a high price to pay - I expect the Islabikes Beinn 24 for
>children that age is a superiour machine.


I would image it is ;-)

>Both are better value than a Wii and a couple of games.


Why do we keep coming back to games consoles?

>However, the £99 24" Raleigh probably offers the best value for money
>for moderate use.


I would agree, subject to seeing one "in the flesh".

>I now have the following in my fleet of bikes for cycle training use.

--------------------------------^^^^^

I guess your bike needs are not typical, if you have a "fleet" ;-)

[--snip--]

M.
 
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:14:53 +0000, Tom Crispin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:12:11 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>>[email protected] says...
>>
>>> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
>>> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
>>> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?
>>>

>>You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
>>cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
>>good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
>>couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
>>experience.

>
>That's not much good if you haven't got £200 to spare in the first
>instance.


Exactly.

M.
 
On Feb 1, 7:14 am, Tom Crispin <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:12:11 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Mark
> >[email protected] says...

>
> >> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
> >> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
> >> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?

>
> >You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
> >cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
> >good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
> >couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
> >experience.

>
> That's not much good if you haven't got £200 to spare in the first
> instance.


So find a discriminating parent wanting to sell an Islabike. Like
looking for rocking horse excrement..

..d
 
David Martin wrote:
>
> On Feb 1, 7:14 am, Tom Crispin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:12:11 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[email protected]>, Mark
> > >[email protected] says...

> >
> > >> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
> > >> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
> > >> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?

> >
> > >You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
> > >cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
> > >good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
> > >couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
> > >experience.

> >
> > That's not much good if you haven't got £200 to spare in the first
> > instance.

>
> So find a discriminating parent wanting to sell an Islabike. Like
> looking for rocking horse excrement..
>
> ..d


I have seen rocking horse excrement for sale.

A clever wood worker at a craft fair had some rocking horses for sale,
beside them were little bags of rocking horse excrement ( which were
wood shaving like) labelled and priced at £1 a bag, he said he sold
quite alot of it.

A
 
On 01/02/2008 09:21, David Martin wrote:
> So find a discriminating parent wanting to sell an Islabike. Like
> looking for rocking horse excrement..


Or ask Isla if she's got any second-hand bikes for sale. If she does
part exchange, presumably she sells on the bikes that she takes back.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis
 
On 31/01/2008 22:29, Tom Crispin wrote:
> Grey and dark grey. There are some good pictures in the Gallery,
> which seem to be in chronological order with most recent first, and it
> does look like the colour may have changed.
>
> http://www.islabikes.co.uk/gallery/gallery.html


Thanks Tom. I expect Charlie will be happy with either, as long as he
knows in advance what to expect.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Crispin wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:12:11 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>>[email protected] says...
>>
>>> So, even more expensive than Islabikes? I'm sure I'm not the only one
>>> who couldn't possibly afford to spend that sort of money on a kids
>>> bike, unless they had to cycle a long way every day to school?
>>>

>>You have to look at it in terms of depreciation rather than outright
>>cost - buy a £100 bike with minimal resale value, or a £200+ bike with a
>>good chance of selling it on to another discriminating parent after a
>>couple of years, during which time the child has had a better cycling
>>experience.

>
>That's not much good if you haven't got £200 to spare in the first
>instance.


That's where the "buy a not-Islabike second hand bike for its minimal
resale value" option comes in handy. And a lot easier to find than second
hand Islabikes (or at least they were some years ago before Islabikes
had started, but I gather there still aren't many about).
On the other hand if a decent child's bike means the difference between
cycling to school or a bus pass (or running a second family car), it can
easily save £200 immediately.
 
On 31/01/2008 08:23, Ian Smith wrote:
> Beware! Beware!
>
> The web shows silver bikes - the one we received was black (midnight
> charcoal grey or something).


I ordered a CNOC16, which arrived this morning. It's black, and it's
beautiful.

No kitchen pr0n yet. I had it delivered to the office, and didn't have
a trailer with me today to bring it home.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis
 

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