Jaksche will be confessing

[whiteboytrash]

"New" allegations against Stanga:
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id732.html

Thanks CH.... on a whole I'm fairly disappointed by Jaskche download to Der Spiegel...... nothing really knew.... he didn't say a lot about Fuentes.... Stanga is a small fry in world cycling although the only interesting thing of note was team ONCE's systematic doping....... didn’t Bruyneel ride for them ? must have all occurred after he left.... the revelations about Saiz arranging a new medical programme for Vino have some interest but doesn't appear ASO or the UCI have reacted to them...

 

[Serafino]

I think the point is that JJ like Basso said that he wouldn't finger any riders (i.e. the riders always pay the price when it is the team owners, managers, doctors, etc., who often initiate and mandate doping).

Look at the absurd UCI/ASO forced signing of the rider's document where they forfeit their salary.

Why aren't the team owners, managers, doctors, etc., asked (and forced) to sign the same thing.

Hypocrisy!

 

[cyclingheroes]

Thanks CH.... on a whole I'm fairly disappointed by Jaskche download to Der Spiegel...... nothing really knew.... he didn't say a lot about Fuentes.... Stanga is a small fry in world cycling although the only interesting thing of note was team ONCE's systematic doping....... didn’t Bruyneel ride for them ? must have all occurred after he left.... the revelations about Saiz arranging a new medical programme for Vino have some interest but doesn't appear ASO or the UCI have reacted to them...

JJ will tell more to the authorities.

 

[poulidor]

Look at the absurd UCI/ASO forced signing of the rider's document where they forfeit their salary.
Why aren't the team owners, managers, doctors, etc., asked (and forced) to sign the same thing.
Hypocrisy!

No hypocrisy here, just legal.
First in France to help someone to dope is punishable by law with jail! So if a manager, a doctor or a team member (or not) is accomplice, he will be punished by Justice.
Second, everybody can only be punished for his own acts.
So if a rider dope, if it's with a accomplice see first, and if no one can prove that team's member are implicated, so you cannot condemn them for something they have not commit.
Maybe, a sport punishment for the team would be a good solution.

 

[poulidor]

JJ will tell more to the authorities.

Yes, I think so. And his first public statement was certainly to avoid other threats, it's too late to change the play.

 

[limerickman]

No hypocrisy here, just legal.
First in France to help someone to dope is punishable by law with jail! So if a manager, a doctor or a team member (or not) is accomplice, he will be punished by Justice.
Second, everybody can only be punished for his own acts.
So if a rider dope, if it's with a accomplice see first, and if no one can prove that team's member are implicated, so you cannot condemn them for something they have not commit.
Maybe, a sport punishment for the team would be a good solution.

Good post.

 

[cyclingheroes]

McQuaid said to German TV station ZDF tonight that the UCI lawyers are looking if they can sue Jaksche. McQuaid also said it's an old rider who probably wanted to make a little cash....


Well Pat that could be the beginning of your end...

 

[fbircher]

McQuaid said to German TV station ZDF tonight that the UCI lawyers are looking if they can sue Jaksche. McQuaid also said it's an old rider who probably wanted to make a little cash....


Well Pat that could be the beginning of your end...

This is a very surprising and disappointing position for McQuaid to take. If he really wants to clean up cycling, why on Earth would he threaten to sue JJ for exposing the system of doping? It seems he would applaud JJ for breaking the Omerta. Does he belive that JJ completly fabricated this story?

 

[kennf]

McQuaid said to German TV station ZDF tonight that the UCI lawyers are looking if they can sue Jaksche. McQuaid also said it's an old rider who probably wanted to make a little cash....


Well Pat that could be the beginning of your end...

Truly moronic comments by McQuaid. Of course, "lawyers looking into it" is a far cry from actually doing it. How's Lefevre's multimillion-dollar defamation suit coming along, I wonder.

 

[Gregers]

Don't make the mistake of judging these people by your own rational standards. They have very different agendas which distort any attempt to assess their motives by normal criteria.

This is a very surprising and disappointing position for McQuaid to take. If he really wants to clean up cycling, why on Earth would he threaten to sue JJ for exposing the system of doping? It seems he would applaud JJ for breaking the Omerta. Does he belive that JJ completly fabricated this story?

 

[cyclingheroes]

This is a very surprising and disappointing position for McQuaid to take. If he really wants to clean up cycling, why on Earth would he threaten to sue JJ for exposing the system of doping? It seems he would applaud JJ for breaking the Omerta. Does he belive that JJ completly fabricated this story?

To be honest... It doesn't surprise me at all!

 

[limerickman]

McQuaid said to German TV station ZDF tonight that the UCI lawyers are looking if they can sue Jaksche. McQuaid also said it's an old rider who probably wanted to make a little cash....


Well Pat that could be the beginning of your end...

Agreed.

McQuaid has always been a part of the problem.
Nice guy and all the rest of it - but he has been in denial for years about the problem and extent of doping in the professional peloton.

He therefore cannot be part of the solution, given his role as UCI President.
His comment tonight clearly illustrates this.

 

[Doctor.House]

Agreed.

McQuaid has always been a part of the problem.
Nice guy and all the rest of it - but he has been in denial for years about the problem and extent of doping in the professional peloton.

He therefore cannot be part of the solution, given his role as UCI President.
His comment tonight clearly illustrates this.

Pat or Hein are PAID to be in denial. They all know the truth---but are employed to put lipstick on a pig.

Denial = cash flows

 

[Dead Star]

Agreed.

McQuaid has always been a part of the problem.
Nice guy and all the rest of it - but he has been in denial for years about the problem and extent of doping in the professional peloton.

He therefore cannot be part of the solution, given his role as UCI President.
His comment tonight clearly illustrates this.

Lemond for president!

 

[poulidor]

Good post.

I hope. Thanks.

 

[cyclingheroes]

Agreed.

McQuaid has always been a part of the problem.
Nice guy and all the rest of it - but he has been in denial for years about the problem and extent of doping in the professional peloton.

He therefore cannot be part of the solution, given his role as UCI President.
His comment tonight clearly illustrates this.

If cycling will become clean... heads will have to roll.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Agreed.

McQuaid has always been a part of the problem.
Nice guy and all the rest of it - but he has been in denial for years about the problem and extent of doping in the professional peloton.

He therefore cannot be part of the solution, given his role as UCI President.
His comment tonight clearly illustrates this.

The UCI said the same of Mazzarno when he came out with his outlandish claims of a drug laboratory in Madrid run by Fuentes.... the UCI at the time said Mazzarno was trying to being the sport into disrepute and his claims where preposterous to find two years later the Spanish police under cover the same lab with 100+ cyclists involved.

They are ****** at JJ because he mentioned the UCI arrangements for out of competition testing..... they know what he'll tell WADA what they've been up to.... they can sue all they want but JJ which just find another paper to talk to about the UCI’s dirty tricks….. they won’t win this one…

 

[Serafino]

Pat looks like he's running scared and wants to silence JJ.

He's got to go! The sooner the better.

 

[Moller]

Pat looks like he's running scared and wants to silence JJ.

He's got to go! The sooner the better.

Every word out of JJ's mouth for the past 12 months has been a lie.
Why is everyone suddenly so quick to believe everything that he now says?

 

[whiteboytrash]

Every word out of JJ's mouth for the past 12 months has been a lie.
Why is everyone suddenly so quick to believe everything that he now says?

I agree. I believe in Pat.... he's got this doping problem licked !