Jalabert doped?



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Cyclingnews: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

"Jalabert caught up in "Cahors affair" trial

By Hedwig Kröner

On Monday, June 19, the trial on the so-called "Cahors affair" involving 23 persons has begun in Bordeaux. The Belgian-French doping scandal begun in spring 2004 and culminated with the arrests of Belgians Freddy and Monique Sergant, presumed heads of a trafficking network of "pot belge" (a mix of cocaine, caffeine, pain killers, sometimes amphetamine and heroine), as well as former professional Laurent Roux and his brother Fabien, former mountainbike world champion Christophe Dupouey, former pro Laurent Biondi, Dominique Bozzi, Sylvain Bolay, Philippe Koehler and Eddy Lembo, to name but those directly involved in cycling.

The Sergant couple is accused of buying large quantities of "pot belge", produced in the Netherlands, and selling them to the Roux brothers in France since may 2002, who then distributed the drug mix further within French amateur and, to a smaller extent, professional cycling while keeping some for their own consumption. The relationship between Freddy Sergant and Laurent Roux dates back to 1998, when Roux raced with Dutch TVM and Sergant was one of the team's masseurs.

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on the first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things that I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin and underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."

The 33 year-old, who has been detained for eight months already, based his defense on his physical addiction to the drugs. The Sergant couple and the Roux brothers could be sentenced to a maximum of ten years in prison.

Jalabert drug party blamed for addiction

During the first day of hearings in the "Cahors" trial, Laurent Roux's younger brother Fabien testified that it was former professional and current French TV consultant Laurent Jalabert who first introduced him to "pot belge". "I was initiated to using pot belge during a party with Laurent Jalabert in 2001," the 24 year-old said. "Together with other professionals, I've seen him injecting himself in the garage of his house that evening. It was a party organised by his fan club. It's frequent in the cycling world. These parties take place during the off-season. I came with my brother, who was a professional. The whole team of the cyclist who was hosting participated in these parties - from mechanic to soigneur."

Roux said he thus consumed the drug mix for the first time in the presence of Jalabert. "It was offered by the rider who hosted the party," he added. Later during the trial, a former teammate of Laurent Jalabert at CSC-Tiscali, who was heard as a witness, confirmed Roux's accusations."


Has anybody any idea who this former teammate of CSC is? It was reported in sportwereld.be as well ( http://www.sportwereld.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=GNGTTBUI ). In the article on sportwereld.be they ask PVP for a comment (Van Petegem was a teammate of Roux at TVM from 1996-1998) but didn't want to say anything about the case or Roux ("it's history"). Former pro Johan Capiot stated that Roux is a little fish who starts to speak but that the big guys never get caught. Hendrik Redant, now a DS at Davitamon, was Roux his DS at TVM. He stated that he saw Roux winning a stage at the Route Du Sud in the time he was a pro himself and that Roux looked clean to him but now he wouldn't garanty for it anymore.

The Saiz case isn't over yet and the next case started. Another case is still in development (the april arrests in Belgium, state prosecuter is stil working on it and there will be a trial against Johan Museeuw.

Will this never stop ??? :confused:
 
Wow I ................

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cyclingheroes said:
Cyclingnews: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

"Jalabert caught up in "Cahors affair" trial

By Hedwig Kröner

On Monday, June 19, the trial on the so-called "Cahors affair" involving 23 persons has begun in Bordeaux. The Belgian-French doping scandal begun in spring 2004 and culminated with the arrests of Belgians Freddy and Monique Sergant, presumed heads of a trafficking network of "pot belge" (a mix of cocaine, caffeine, pain killers, sometimes amphetamine and heroine), as well as former professional Laurent Roux and his brother Fabien, former mountainbike world champion Christophe Dupouey, former pro Laurent Biondi, Dominique Bozzi, Sylvain Bolay, Philippe Koehler and Eddy Lembo, to name but those directly involved in cycling.

The Sergant couple is accused of buying large quantities of "pot belge", produced in the Netherlands, and selling them to the Roux brothers in France since may 2002, who then distributed the drug mix further within French amateur and, to a smaller extent, professional cycling while keeping some for their own consumption. The relationship between Freddy Sergant and Laurent Roux dates back to 1998, when Roux raced with Dutch TVM and Sergant was one of the team's masseurs.

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on the first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things that I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin and underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."

The 33 year-old, who has been detained for eight months already, based his defense on his physical addiction to the drugs. The Sergant couple and the Roux brothers could be sentenced to a maximum of ten years in prison.

Jalabert drug party blamed for addiction

During the first day of hearings in the "Cahors" trial, Laurent Roux's younger brother Fabien testified that it was former professional and current French TV consultant Laurent Jalabert who first introduced him to "pot belge". "I was initiated to using pot belge during a party with Laurent Jalabert in 2001," the 24 year-old said. "Together with other professionals, I've seen him injecting himself in the garage of his house that evening. It was a party organised by his fan club. It's frequent in the cycling world. These parties take place during the off-season. I came with my brother, who was a professional. The whole team of the cyclist who was hosting participated in these parties - from mechanic to soigneur."

Roux said he thus consumed the drug mix for the first time in the presence of Jalabert. "It was offered by the rider who hosted the party," he added. Later during the trial, a former teammate of Laurent Jalabert at CSC-Tiscali, who was heard as a witness, confirmed Roux's accusations."


Has anybody any idea who this former teammate of CSC is? It was reported in sportwereld.be as well ( http://www.sportwereld.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=GNGTTBUI ). In the article on sportwereld.be they ask PVP for a comment (Van Petegem was a teammate of Roux at TVM from 1996-1998) but didn't want to say anything about the case or Roux ("it's history"). Former pro Johan Capiot stated that Roux is a little fish who starts to speak but that the big guys never get caught. Hendrik Redant, now a DS at Davitamon, was Roux his DS at TVM. He stated that he saw Roux winning a stage at the Route Du Sud in the time he was a pro himself and that Roux looked clean to him but now he wouldn't garanty for it anymore.

The Saiz case isn't over yet and the next case started. Another case is still in development (the april arrests in Belgium, state prosecuter is stil working on it and there will be a trial against Johan Museeuw.

Will this never stop ??? :confused:


Pot Belge was evidenced by ***** Voet in his book "Breaking the Chain" published in 1999.
Specifically, Voet stated in his book that Pot Belge was not only used in the
professional peleton, it was also consumed at the Festina end of year party.
 
I dunno - that Pot Belge story didn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would pro riders be messing with weird mixtures of coke and heroin? I mean, heck that's just a speedball. It's not unusual for someone to have a party where people are drinking Red Bull, popping pain killers and doing speedballs but I just can't see where that'll help you go harder on the bike.

Of course, Roux doesn't say that they were doing it during the season, but rather during the off season party scene. But that makes even less sense. People were somewhat taken aback when Armstrong was puttin' back some beers during the off season, now this guy says these other pros were partying doing speedballs when they had to be on the bike early the next morning and possibly out-of-competition tested? I just can't see it - least not in a wide-spread way. I mean, everyone said what a dumba$$ Ullrich was when he got popped doing ex a couple years back. This is way beyond that!
 
GV27 said:
I dunno - that Pot Belge story didn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would pro riders be messing with weird mixtures of coke and heroin? I mean, heck that's just a speedball. It's not unusual for someone to have a party where people are drinking Red Bull, popping pain killers and doing speedballs but I just can't see where that'll help you go harder on the bike.

Of course, Roux doesn't say that they were doing it during the season, but rather during the off season party scene. But that makes even less sense. People were somewhat taken aback when Armstrong was puttin' back some beers during the off season, now this guy says these other pros were partying doing speedballs when they had to be on the bike early the next morning and possibly out-of-competition tested? I just can't see it - least not in a wide-spread way. I mean, everyone said what a dumba$$ Ullrich was when he got popped doing ex a couple years back. This is way beyond that!
It's not the first time. In the Cofidis case riders took morphine with cocaine (and lots of other stuff) in a mix. The morphine as a pain killer, the heroin (in this case) probebly as well.
 
bobke said:
Wow I ................

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Why was my message moderated.
All I said was I was not surprised.
jalabert rode for Saiz.
They left the Tdf under suspcion in 99.
He started as a sprinte and became TT chapion du monde.
He rode for CSC.
He associated with L Roux an infamous and well known doper.
Lance intentionally passed Roux on the Alpe without acknowledgment in contrast to pat on the back to Chavanel on Luz Ardiden.

Cant handle the heat moderator or just that I pointed out that Jalabert is now implicated in a clear doping ring.

Velonews:
Roux admits to doping
Ex-pro Laurent Roux admitted in a French court Monday that he regularly took banned doping products throughout his career from 1994 to 2003. Roux is one of 27 people facing charges of allegedly providing professional and amateur French racers with banned doping products, including "Pot Belge," a potent mix of amphetamines, cocaine and heroin.

"I took all the basic things people were consuming in those days," said Roux, who raced as a professional from 1994 to 2003. "EPO, human growth hormones, cortisone. The bigger racers took things I couldn't afford. They took things such as synthetic hemoglobin, blood transfusions, things I didn't have access to."

Roux's testimony came before a court in Bordeaux, where the prosecutors allege Roux, and his brother, Fabien, offered 2,000 doses of "Pot Belge" to racers from 2002-05. French police allege that the brother were supplied with the drugs by Freddy Sergant, a former trainer for several pro teams from 1980-2001, The Associated Press reported.

Roux won the Tour de l'Avenir in 1997, wore the race leader's jersey at the 1998 Giro d'Italia and raced with such pro teams as Castorama, TVM, Casino and Jean Delatour. He failed two doping tests during his career, once in 1999 and another in 2002, and ended his racing career in 2003.

Roux was detained last year with more than 20 others as part of an alleged doping ring. More testimony is expected in the coming days.
 
You launched in to another "justify LA" **** as usual, while ignoring the content/context of the thread.

Deliberate attempt to change the subject matter of the thread.
That's why you were moderated.
 
GV27 said:
I dunno - that Pot Belge story didn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would pro riders be messing with weird mixtures of coke and heroin? I mean, heck that's just a speedball. It's not unusual for someone to have a party where people are drinking Red Bull, popping pain killers and doing speedballs but I just can't see where that'll help you go harder on the bike.

Of course, Roux doesn't say that they were doing it during the season, but rather during the off season party scene. But that makes even less sense. People were somewhat taken aback when Armstrong was puttin' back some beers during the off season, now this guy says these other pros were partying doing speedballs when they had to be on the bike early the next morning and possibly out-of-competition tested? I just can't see it - least not in a wide-spread way. I mean, everyone said what a dumba$$ Ullrich was when he got popped doing ex a couple years back. This is way beyond that!

Plenty of riders have tested positive for recreational drugs. Ullrich for Ecstacy in 02. Simioni had a non-negative test for cocaine -- I forget the year. Pantani was addicted to cocaine. And as Lim points out, others mentioned in Voet's book.
 
limerickman said:
You launched in to another "justify LA" **** as usual, while ignoring the content/context of the thread.

Deliberate attempt to change the subject matter of the thread.
That's why you were moderated.

So its now "OK" to make unfavorable comparisons to LA but "NOT OK' to make favorable comparisons!!! And its "NOT OK" to switch the thread content/context to talk about LA favorably, but "OK" to switch the context/ content to talk about LA unfavorably!!! Just who needs to be moderated here???

Because we all know on this forum that any topic relating to doping eventually switches to LA is the root of all evil in cycling.
 
davidbod said:
So its now "OK" to make unfavorable comparisons to LA but "NOT OK' to make favorable comparisons!!! And its "NOT OK" to switch the thread content/context to talk about LA favorably, but "OK" to switch the context/ content to talk about LA unfavorably!!! Just who needs to be moderated here???

Because we all know on this forum that any topic relating to doping eventually switches to LA is the root of all evil in cycling.

The subject matter of this discussion is the evidence given by Didier Roux.

You (and others) are free to create a different thread discussing other subject matter, if you wish.
 
This comes as no surprise to me. Jalabert rode under Saiz and Riis, was one of the greatest French riders in the EPO-times and suddenly became a climber when first he was just a sprinter.

I think it's fair to say bad habits never really go away and if Saiz dopes now he has always done so, so I think we can assume that the whole ONCE team doped, so that's including Jalabert.

What interests me most is that synthetic haemoglobin stuff;
two questions;
does it raise the measurable hematocrite level
and can it be found in urine or blood tests?
 
limerickman said:
The subject matter of this discussion is the evidence given by Didier Roux.

You (and others) are free to create a different thread discussing other subject matter, if you wish.
Geez, good luck trying to effectively moderate threads on these forums. :rolleyes: Every one turns out the same (pro LA/Disco vs. anti LA/Disco). For instance, look at the Leipheimer thread. Barely a third of the posts actually have to do with LL. Where was the moderation there?
 
Deli said:
Geez, good luck trying to effectively moderate threads on these forums. :rolleyes: Every one turns out the same (pro LA/Disco vs. anti LA/Disco). For instance, look at the Leipheimer thread. Barely a third of the posts actually have to do with LL. Where was the moderation there?

Agreed. LL thread started well but then descended in to the usual pro/anti.

That's why I've taken the decision to try to keep the subject matter of recently created threads on line - and on topic.

I will clear out any posts that are off topic in new threads from now on.
 
limerickman said:
Agreed. LL thread started well but then descended in to the usual pro/anti.

That's why I've taken the decision to try to keep the subject matter of recently created threads on line - and on topic.

I will clear out any posts that are off topic in new threads from now on.
That would be a welcome change, and I wish you the best of luck! ;)
 
tcklyde said:
Plenty of riders have tested positive for recreational drugs. Ullrich for Ecstacy in 02. Simioni had a non-negative test for cocaine -- I forget the year. Pantani was addicted to cocaine. And as Lim points out, others mentioned in Voet's book.
Oh sure - it happens. But when you talk about these guys partying at official team functions with this stuff, offering it to guys not on the team......that's a bit bizarre. I mean Ulle wasn't even competing at the time, down with injuries, depressed, just wanted to go out and have a good time......I can see that, and he took it like a man. But these guys gettin' high at these parties, that's a different thing.

Perhaps somebody can explain the mixture to me a bit. Two questions: 1) It appears that this would only help if you were actually on it during a race and once you "came down" you'd crash pretty good and longterm it would be detrimental for your fitness and 2) if you were taking it during a race, wouldn't/shouldn't that sort of mixture light up a doping control like a Christmas tree?

I can see this back before doping controls - I know a lot of guys were popping amphetimines (Tom Simpson obviously comes immediately to mind). But coke, heroin, amphetemines, pain killers today? This stuff is super easy to spot on a **** test. Heck, you certainly couldn't get a job at Home Depot if you were partying like these guys....
 
limerickman said:
You launched in to another "justify LA" **** as usual, while ignoring the content/context of the thread.

Deliberate attempt to change the subject matter of the thread.
That's why you were moderated.
I think there are about a hundred examples of you subverting a thread and talking about cricket, "football" and the like. Fair is fair.

What I added was relevant: which is that when Lance went up Luz Ardiden he patted Chavanel on the back as sign of respect that he had been over many mountain passes as a lone leader and Lance had no choice but to blow by him in order to win the TdF, so he gave him a sign of respect. A nice gesture.

In contrast, when Lance went up Alpe d'Huez 2001, Amrstrong stormed past Laurent Roux, the doper in question who named Jalabert, and not only didnt pat him on the back, didnt look at him, and in fact stormed past him, and Sherwen/Liggett commented at the time, "I've never seen a race leader blow past a rider like tht without the least recognition." The commentary from Sherwen was in fact that Roux looked delirious, now we know in fact why--pot Belge!!
My point was that Arsmtrong certainly knew that Roux was a notorious doper who tested positive in 1999 and then a year later in 2002--thats why no pat on the back.

And finally, a court of law under oath and facing time in jail, not a UCI/WADA/or Olympic drugs investigation, Roux cites that Jalabert was guilty of using serious drugs for performance and recreation. "M. Roux, can you tell the court all the instances in which you used PEDs or illegal supplements."

I think I am allowed to make this comment and draw contrast to recent other doping stories that have come out in tabloids and I am allowed to remain in support of LA and point out the obvious about Jalabert.
Its very sad about Jaja but who really thinks that a sprinter comes back and wins the ITT at the worlds without help?
 
Bobke, Lance Armstrong has got nothing whatsoever got to do with the subject matter of this thread.
Yet you insist on trying to move this thread in that direction.

Based on past experience, I feel that this thread will descend in to pro/anti conjecture.
 
limerickman said:
Bobke, Lance Armstrong has got nothing whatsoever got to do with the subject matter of this thread.
Yet you insist on trying to move this thread in that direction.

Based on past experience, I feel that this thread will descend in to pro/anti conjecture.
It's hard to be an effective moderator when your emotion and bias take control.
 
IndyRider said:
It's hard to be an effective moderator when your emotion and bias take control.

When the subject matter of any thread is deliberately altered - neither bias or emotion inform the decision to moderate.
 
On Cyclingnews ( http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun21news ):

"Former professional Laurent Roux has said that under no circumstances was Laurent Jalabert involved in initiating his younger brother Fabien into the use of the 'pot Belge' drug cocktail.

Speaking on French TV yesterday evening, Laurent Roux, who has been giving evidence in the "Cahors affair" trial, said that Fabien Roux had taken pot Belge at a party in 2001, but that Jalabert was not present, nor did he supply the drugs.

According to Laurent Roux, the story had been exaggerated by the French press for sensationalistic effect."

So what is he truth, yesterday's story or Roux interview on French tv (Jalabert works for French TV)? After all it was said that a witness (a former CSC teammate, i still don't know who it was..) confirmed the allegations against Jalabert. Or wasn't that story correct as well? Did somebody see the interview with Roux ( i will try to search if there is a video version of the interview on the net)


In sportwereld.be an interview with Bart Heirewegh today ( http://www.sportwereld.be/Article/Detail.aspx?ArticleID=GA4TV105 ). Bart is a former pro who retired because of a 4 year long suspension (and he has to do 125 hours of voluntary social work - verdict Belgian court). Bart says that the only thing he regrets his that he stopped lying and told the police investigators the truth (Bart admitted that he used Epo), he also said he was a succesfull junior and U23 and than he didn't get the same results anymore in his first year as a pro. It was impossible to race clean and get some good results about 8 of 10 riders took epo is what he said in the interview....

Bart started to take epo in 1997 and says he always went to Spain to get it, in Spain you could buy epo in every drugstore (not anymore, in the nineties this was the case).

In the Roux case it is expected that the state prosecuter will demand a prison sentence against Belgian soigneur Freddy Sergeant and his wife Monique. The Sergeants where the ones who smuggled the Pot Belge from Belgium to France.

I f you ask me... they (the Sergeants) where part of a network and they where not the big fish, as always the big fish is still swimming out there...