Jeanson...oops

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  1. Jeff Jones

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  2. "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > No sanction, but this is still not good:
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news3

    Ms. Jeanson rarely races against the very best world class competition.

    For years the whispering amongst her competitors is there is a reason why: disparity in doping
    controls at the biggest UCI races vs. most of the N. American circuit.

    Pure speculation of course, since no one has first-hand knowledge, but this will definitely serve to
    'enhance' the chatter.
     
  3. Matabala

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  4. S. Anderson

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  5. Racer X

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    If Jeanson's so-called high hematocrit limit indicates anything, it sure seems funny why this same
    chatter wouldn't be occurring about Jonathan Vaughters, who also is over the 50% limit for men.

    And if it is indicative of doping, then she must be on dope throughout the year since she wins
    throughout the year. And she must be on the dope for the past 3 years as well. Yet she never tested
    positive once? Surely if she were doping at a level and frequency that was so performancing
    enhancing as to have her dominate races, it would be extremely unlikely she never failed a dope
    test once.

    Just exactly what dope would she be on that has such a marked effect, yet doesn't result in a
    positive test?

    If anything, all this means is Jeanson's people should have sought a waiver for a high hematocrit
    like Vaughters did. Outside of that, it means nothing else.

    It's a good thing there's no such chatter about riders such as Amber Neben.

    Racer X

    Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

    > "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > No sanction, but this is still not good:
    > >
    > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news3
    >
    > Ms. Jeanson rarely races against the very best world class competition.
    >
    > For years the whispering amongst her competitors is there is a reason why: disparity in doping
    > controls at the biggest UCI races vs. most of the N. American circuit.
    >
    > Pure speculation of course, since no one has first-hand knowledge, but this will definitely serve
    > to 'enhance' the chatter.
     
  6. On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:40:44 GMT, RACER X <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Surely if she were doping at a level and frequency that was so performancing enhancing as to have
    >her dominate races, it would be extremely unlikely she never failed a dope test once.

    Right, I mean those Festina guys were doping and got caught in tests right?

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  7. Andy Coggan

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    "RACER X" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]r.com...
    > If Jeanson's so-called high hematocrit limit indicates anything, it sure
    seems
    > funny why this same chatter wouldn't be occurring about Jonathan
    Vaughters,
    > who also is over the 50% limit for men.

    Because Vaughters has a waiver?

    > And if it is indicative of doping, then she must be on dope throughout the year since she wins
    > throughout the year. And she must be on the dope for
    the
    > past 3 years as well. Yet she never tested positive once? Surely if she
    were
    > doping at a level and frequency that was so performancing enhancing as to
    have
    > her dominate races, it would be extremely unlikely she never failed a dope test once.

    How many times has she been tested?

    > Just exactly what dope would she be on that has such a marked effect, yet doesn't result in a
    > positive test?
    >
    > If anything, all this means is Jeanson's people should have sought a
    waiver
    > for a high hematocrit like Vaughters did. Outside of that, it means
    nothing
    > else.
    >
    > It's a good thing there's no such chatter about riders such as Amber
    Neben.

    You want chatter? Okay, how about this: why did Neben only get a 6 month suspension (plus 18 months
    probation), while Moninger got a full year?

    Andy Coggan
     
  8. "RACER X" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > If Jeanson's so-called high hematocrit limit indicates anything, it sure
    seems
    > funny why this same chatter wouldn't be occurring about Jonathan Vaughters, who also is over the
    > 50% limit for men.
    >
    > And if it is indicative of doping, then she must be on dope throughout the year since she wins
    > throughout the year. And she must be on the dope for
    the
    > past 3 years as well. Yet she never tested positive once? Surely if she
    were
    > doping at a level and frequency that was so performancing enhancing as to
    have
    > her dominate races, it would be extremely unlikely she never failed a dope test once.

    Moron -

    Goddamm, you are stupid. Go reread my post.

    Then consider that they don't do hematocrit tests at North American races (or any doping control at
    all at most of them).

    Capiche?
     
  9. B. Lafferty

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    Reuters reports that the betrothal of the Prince and Princess of Hematocrit will be formally
    announce this evening. The blissful couple had hoped to make the announcement in Italy after a
    successful world title bid by Jeanson, but Vampires descended on the young cycling star forcing her
    out of competition for two weeks.

    Pantani reacted to the news with outrage accusing the Vampires of attacking him via his true love.
    Pantani defended the honor or his beloved noting that their is a bond of blood that is far thicker
    than water.

    More later.........

    "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > No sanction, but this is still not good:
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news3
    >
    > Jeff
     
  10. Steven Woo

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  11. "S. Anderson" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "Chris version 2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>
    >> does this mean that she will be indicted in Italy for fraud also?
    >
    > Heehee..good one. ;-)
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Scott..
    >
    >

    Anybody wanna bet they say it was in her make-up?

    I seem to remember that's what Jeannie found when she got caught way back

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  12. Suz

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  13. "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> writes:

    > She's already claimed it was because she sleeps in an altitude tent.
    >

    Drat.............

    Anyway, the French language news is gonna be on about an hour from now.

    I'll see what they have to say there about Mademoiselle Lachine
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    Davey Crockett
     
  14. Suz

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    > >
    > Does anyone know what the "accepted limit" is for women? I'm assuming
    it's
    > lower than it is for men.
    >
    > Suz
    >
    Never mind, I found it. It's 47%

    Suz
     
  15. B. Lafferty

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    She's already claimed it was because she sleeps in an altitude tent.

    "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]rs.com...
    > "S. Anderson" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    > > "Chris version 2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >>
    > >> does this mean that she will be indicted in Italy for fraud also?
    > >
    > > Heehee..good one. ;-)
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > >
    > > Scott..
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Anybody wanna bet they say it was in her make-up?
    >
    > I seem to remember that's what Jeannie found when she got caught way back
    >
    > --
    > le vent a Dos
    >
    > Davey Crockett
     
  16. "Suz" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> No sanction, but this is still not good:
    >>
    >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news3
    >>
    >> Jeff
    >>
    > Does anyone know what the "accepted limit" is for women? I'm assuming it's lower than it is
    > for men.
    >
    > Suz
    >
    >

    Normal is 43 for men and women are slightly lower at probably 40 - 41.

    The UCI allows 50 for men and 47 for women and I believe for good measure even turns a blind eye to
    couple of points above that.

    http://www.bloodline.net/stories/storyReader$3144

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    Davey Crockett
     
  17. Jeff Jones

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  18. Dave

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    "Jeff Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > She's already claimed it was because she sleeps in an altitude tent.
    > >
    > Here's her press conference:
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct12news
    >
    > Jeff

    What a travesty that a woman who has won as many races as she has, has only been tested once in
    competition (this time). I agree with the assumption that she juices because she is basically a
    North American racer and never really races the "big girls" of the world to avoid detection. I also
    thought that tents don't give you that much of a spike. Where is Wallace at? Dave
     
  19. Dan Connelly

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    What spike? If she lives in the thing, her hematocrit is probably on the border all the time.
    There's natural fluctutions. Have you ever had yours tested? Mine's been all over the place, from
    around 38 to 43.

    >
    > What a travesty that a woman who has won as many races as she has, has only been tested once in
    > competition (this time). I agree with the assumption that she juices because she is basically a
    > North American racer and never really races the "big girls" of the world to avoid detection. I
    > also thought that tents don't give you that much of a spike. Where is Wallace at? Dave
     
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