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Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> From the times I have been in the shop, I think Andrew likes
>>>>>>> bicycles too much [1] to be a really good capitalist.
>
>>>>> still me who? wrote:
>>>>>> Your implied definition has more to do with a certain lack of
>>>>>> morals combined with greed than it does with a romantic attachment
>>>>>> to the business one is in. I know some CEO's who are passionate
>>>>>> about their business - yet they are still, as an average, a bunch
>>>>>> of greedy bastards that will do anything to anyone to boost the
>>>>>> bottom line....
>
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if Andrew would make more money running a more mainstream
>>>>> TrekSpecializedGiantEtc bike store with a standard inventory,
>>>>> rather than a store with odd specialty bicycles and a large
>>>>> inventory of uncommon parts? Such a store, however, would be much
>>>>> LESS interesting to run (and to shop at).
>
>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> Andrew's shop is exactly the type of bike shop I just love to go
>>>> into. You can spend hours wandering around in there discovering
>>>> things in the nooks and crannies.
>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> I was at one time in the Trek Top Ten, 4 stores, fifty employees.
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> And which is more enjoyable?
>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> That is a completely different business than what I do now.
>>> Choices, Tom. Freedom to Choose.
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> No, there is a limited freedom to choose, since there is a (US) policy
>> of less than full employment. Combine that with most employers having
>> the resources to survive a significant time without (at least some of
>> their) employees, but most employees NOT having the resources to
>> survive long without a job, the playing field is far from equal. The
>> freedom is mostly theoretical for those who are not independently
>> wealthy.
>
> Not sure where you are but in the country in which I live,
Land of beer, butter burgers, bratwurst and black & white dairy cows.
> unemployment is a record lows.
Head east and stop about 10 miles before getting to the lake. Visit
Metcalfe Park or Avenues West. See what the job prospects are.
> Job creation is strong in a growing economy. Heck
> we've absorbed a few million new immigrants while simultaneously keeping
> employment high, inflation low. What do you want beyond perfection????
The decent paying jobs that existed in this country during the more
economically progressive 1950's to 1970's would be a start. As a
professional I earn about what someone could make doing much less
skilled work 40 years ago.
> Friends in the convenience store business complain of labor shortages at
> $9 to start. OK, maybe not as spiritually fulfilling as some jobs but in
> my experience a paycheck is better than *****ing.
$9/hour is less than (US) minimum wage would be if it had been indexed
to inflation from its inception. Try to rent a single bedroom apartment
in Madison and also eat on that income. When I lived in Madison in the
mid-1990's, I made $8/hour at my full time job, and had to work 20+
hours at a second job just to get by. And no, I did not spend ANY money
on entertainment or luxuries, and the places I lived in were old and run
down (though not in the worst neighborhoods, i.e. Allied Drive, Simpson
Street, Badger Road).
> And yes I have worked
> many jobs of that ilk. So-called 'entry level' jobs teach valuable
> skills and more importantly build character.
I learned that many of the manager/owner employers are petty tyrants
that treat employees as fungible at best, and outlets for their temper
at worst. The only low-wage job I ever had where I was treated decently
was at Rayovac.
> Absolutely no excuse for being unemployed unless that is what one
> chooses. For some people crack has more appeal than rent. Choices.
I was talking about living wage jobs where the employees are treated
with some degree of respect.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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>>>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> From the times I have been in the shop, I think Andrew likes
>>>>>>> bicycles too much [1] to be a really good capitalist.
>
>>>>> still me who? wrote:
>>>>>> Your implied definition has more to do with a certain lack of
>>>>>> morals combined with greed than it does with a romantic attachment
>>>>>> to the business one is in. I know some CEO's who are passionate
>>>>>> about their business - yet they are still, as an average, a bunch
>>>>>> of greedy bastards that will do anything to anyone to boost the
>>>>>> bottom line....
>
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if Andrew would make more money running a more mainstream
>>>>> TrekSpecializedGiantEtc bike store with a standard inventory,
>>>>> rather than a store with odd specialty bicycles and a large
>>>>> inventory of uncommon parts? Such a store, however, would be much
>>>>> LESS interesting to run (and to shop at).
>
>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> Andrew's shop is exactly the type of bike shop I just love to go
>>>> into. You can spend hours wandering around in there discovering
>>>> things in the nooks and crannies.
>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> I was at one time in the Trek Top Ten, 4 stores, fifty employees.
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> And which is more enjoyable?
>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> That is a completely different business than what I do now.
>>> Choices, Tom. Freedom to Choose.
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> No, there is a limited freedom to choose, since there is a (US) policy
>> of less than full employment. Combine that with most employers having
>> the resources to survive a significant time without (at least some of
>> their) employees, but most employees NOT having the resources to
>> survive long without a job, the playing field is far from equal. The
>> freedom is mostly theoretical for those who are not independently
>> wealthy.
>
> Not sure where you are but in the country in which I live,
Land of beer, butter burgers, bratwurst and black & white dairy cows.
> unemployment is a record lows.
Head east and stop about 10 miles before getting to the lake. Visit
Metcalfe Park or Avenues West. See what the job prospects are.
> Job creation is strong in a growing economy. Heck
> we've absorbed a few million new immigrants while simultaneously keeping
> employment high, inflation low. What do you want beyond perfection????
The decent paying jobs that existed in this country during the more
economically progressive 1950's to 1970's would be a start. As a
professional I earn about what someone could make doing much less
skilled work 40 years ago.
> Friends in the convenience store business complain of labor shortages at
> $9 to start. OK, maybe not as spiritually fulfilling as some jobs but in
> my experience a paycheck is better than *****ing.
$9/hour is less than (US) minimum wage would be if it had been indexed
to inflation from its inception. Try to rent a single bedroom apartment
in Madison and also eat on that income. When I lived in Madison in the
mid-1990's, I made $8/hour at my full time job, and had to work 20+
hours at a second job just to get by. And no, I did not spend ANY money
on entertainment or luxuries, and the places I lived in were old and run
down (though not in the worst neighborhoods, i.e. Allied Drive, Simpson
Street, Badger Road).
> And yes I have worked
> many jobs of that ilk. So-called 'entry level' jobs teach valuable
> skills and more importantly build character.
I learned that many of the manager/owner employers are petty tyrants
that treat employees as fungible at best, and outlets for their temper
at worst. The only low-wage job I ever had where I was treated decently
was at Rayovac.
> Absolutely no excuse for being unemployed unless that is what one
> chooses. For some people crack has more appeal than rent. Choices.
I was talking about living wage jobs where the employees are treated
with some degree of respect.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com