Jogging vs. walking

new runner said:

why couldn't walking have the same effect?
the fastest i can walk is at a 4.5 mph pace. sometimes, it almost
feels easier to jog at 5.0 mph than to briskly walk at 4.5mph.

It feels easier because it's awkward and artificial to try and walk too
fast. Running is the natural thing to do when you get to a certain speed.
The speed varies with the individual and the terrain.

However, you'll find that you can get your heart rate higher jogging at 5
mph than walking at 4.5. The higher the heart rate, the more the after
burn.

However, don't get sucked into the HIT (high-intensity training) thing --
puts you at major injury risk compared to an easy run.

-- Dan

Sseadoubleyou said:

OK, you said it will add bulk to me but a few posters down said no it

won't.

Quoted message said:

So I don't get it? How does it add bulk to me? I see regular

joggers

Quoted message said:

everyday who I have seen for years out jogging and they thin/lean,

not

Quoted message said:

bulky. If jogging is only cardio without any kind of weights or

whatever,

Quoted message said:

how is going to add bulk to my body? I want to stay thin/lean, not

get

Quoted message said:

bulky.

Well, in general, if you look at runners, they tend toward leanness
rather than bulk. But, *certain* aspects of runners do tend to bulk up
in relation to other parts. For example, after I've been running
awhile, I notice that my calves tend to get bigger. And if you look at
world class runners, they tend toward long and thin with narrower
shoulders and arms, with kinda curvy legs (narrow ankles and knees with
relatively wider calves and thighs). But that doesn't mean that the
calves and things are bulky or big - they still tend to be lean.

So, if you start running, you'll likely notice that your calves get a
little bigger, but they won't get big.

Cathy Weeks

Sseadoubleyou said:

OK, you said it will add bulk to me but a few posters down said no it

won't.

Quoted message said:

So I don't get it? How does it add bulk to me? I see regular

joggers

Quoted message said:

everyday who I have seen for years out jogging and they thin/lean,

not

Quoted message said:

bulky. If jogging is only cardio without any kind of weights or

whatever,

Quoted message said:

how is going to add bulk to my body? I want to stay thin/lean, not

get

Quoted message said:

bulky.

Sseadoubleyou said:

OK, you said it will add bulk to me but a few posters down said no it

won't.

Quoted message said:

So I don't get it? How does it add bulk to me? I see regular

joggers

Quoted message said:

everyday who I have seen for years out jogging and they thin/lean,

not

Quoted message said:

bulky. If jogging is only cardio without any kind of weights or

whatever,

Quoted message said:

how is going to add bulk to my body? I want to stay thin/lean, not

get

Quoted message said:

bulky.

Well, in general, if you look at runners, they tend toward leanness
rather than bulk. But, *certain* aspects of runners do tend to bulk up
in relation to other parts. For example, after I've been running
awhile, I notice that my calves tend to get bigger. And if you look at
world class runners, they tend toward long and thin with narrower
shoulders and arms, with kinda curvy legs (narrow ankles and knees with
relatively wider calves and thighs). But that doesn't mean that the
calves and things are bulky or big - they still tend to be lean.

So, if you start running, you'll likely notice that your calves get a
little bigger, but they won't get big.

Cathy Weeks

"Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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However, you'll find that you can get your heart rate higher jogging
at 5
mph than walking at 4.5. The higher the heart rate, the more the
after
burn.

yes for the new runner but I don't think we get much after burn at our
level.

Quoted message said:

However, don't get sucked into the HIT (high-intensity training)
thing --
puts you at major injury risk compared to an easy run.

Right on! Too many people think running faster gets you skinnier
quicker.Coming out of the gate fast will get you injured faster and you
stop running then get fat again.

-DougF

Somebody said:

Quoted message said:

OK, you said it will add bulk to me but a few posters down
said no it won't.
So I don't get it? How does it add bulk to me? I see
regular joggers everyday who I have seen for years
out jogging and they thin/lean, not bulky.

they're lean because they watch how much they eat
and their calorie intake is kept at maintenance.
probably dipping below sometimes. probably
above other days. skinny people just don't
eat the same way as fat people. when a runner
or jogger puts on a belly, even a little, they can
feel it jiggle when they run. instant feedback.
that day becomes a below maintenance day.
maybe the next couple of days too. no big deal.
fat is gone.

if you want to be and remain slim, eat less.
exercise isn't going to chew up enough calories
to matter if you eat too much. don't worry about
"bulking up" from cardio. if you gain an ounce,
you're eating too much. it's real simple.

now, i'd like to add, that if all you do is cardio,
you'lll be one skinny looking old guy when you
reach fifty or so. however for now, pick a goal and work
towards it. you can always change or modify it
later on.
....thehick

I would not worry too much about the "afterburn" and not base my exercise
choice on that since there are lots of factors.

Walking is excellent exercise; at about 12min/mile (5mph) running becomes
more economical in terms on the oxygen cost per minute. However, someone
who learns to racewalk can walk very fast and probably cover distances
faster than some people on this NG.

Once one gets some fitness, doing some higher intensity running or walking
is a great thing to add especially if there is a day where you do not have
much time.

One can walk to lose weight effectively.

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new runner said:

why couldn't walking have the same effect?
the fastest i can walk is at a 4.5 mph pace. sometimes, it almost
feels easier to jog at 5.0 mph than to briskly walk at 4.5mph.

It feels easier because it's awkward and artificial to try and walk too
fast. Running is the natural thing to do when you get to a certain speed.
The speed varies with the individual and the terrain.

However, you'll find that you can get your heart rate higher jogging at 5
mph than walking at 4.5. The higher the heart rate, the more the after
burn.

However, don't get sucked into the HIT (high-intensity training) thing --
puts you at major injury risk compared to an easy run.

-- Dan

Sam said:

I would not worry too much about the "afterburn" and not base my
exercise choice on that since there are lots of factors.

Walking is excellent exercise; at about 12min/mile (5mph) running
becomes more economical in terms on the oxygen cost per minute.
However, someone who learns to racewalk can walk very fast and
probably cover distances faster than some people on this NG.

I read some years ago that the then mile record for walking was about 5:30.

The 50k walking record is 3:36, which is a 6:39 pace--a 2:54 marathon split.

Also seem to remember that a national class walker occasionally ran a 10k
for cross-training in the 30:xx range.

Clearly the best walkers would be fine competitors at any endurance
sport....

Quoted message said:

Coming out of the gate fast will get you injured faster and you
stop running then get fat again.

Will they get old and stupid (like yourself) too?

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I read some years ago that the then mile record for walking was about 5:30.

The 50k walking record is 3:36, which is a 6:39 pace--a 2:54 marathon split.

Yeah I got a chuckle out of that too! The dumbazz's just keep posting.

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Walking is excellent exercise; at about 12min/mile (5mph) running
becomes more economical in terms on the oxygen cost per minute.
However, someone who learns to racewalk can walk very fast and
probably cover distances faster than some people on this NG.

I saw how true this was last Saturday. I had a racewalker show up for my
winter run last week. Since my runs are mostly hills I thought he would
run with us and not walk. To my surprise he walked, talked, and stayed
close to front of the pack. He did run down the very step sections since
the severe down was too awkward if not injury prone. Most of his races
are reletively flat. Very impressive!

-DougF

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I saw how true this was last Saturday.

Why? Compared to you, a 90 YO quadraplegic is fast.

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Very impressive!

To an old guy like you, maybe.

Doug Freese said:

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Quoted message said:

Walking is excellent exercise; at about 12min/mile (5mph) running
becomes more economical in terms on the oxygen cost per minute.
However, someone who learns to racewalk can walk very fast and
probably cover distances faster than some people on this NG.

I saw how true this was last Saturday. I had a racewalker show up for my
winter run last week. Since my runs are mostly hills I thought he would
run with us and not walk. To my surprise he walked, talked, and stayed
close to front of the pack. He did run down the very step sections since
the severe down was too awkward if not injury prone. Most of his races
are reletively flat. Very impressive!

-DougF

Bob Marshall (pioneer forest ranger and wilderness
advocate) used to walk/hike with a light pack up
to 70 miles per day (in mountain country.) I know
long distance hikers for whom it's not unusual to
hike more miles in a day than I'd care to run.

Though unlike some I'd never do that sort of distance
in a day, I'm never leaner and more fit than when I
walk 100 miles a week.

Sseadoubleyou said:

OK, you said it will add bulk to me but a few posters down said no it

won't.

Quoted message said:

So I don't get it? How does it add bulk to me? I see regular

joggers

Quoted message said:

everyday who I have seen for years out jogging and they thin/lean,

not

Quoted message said:

bulky. If jogging is only cardio without any kind of weights or

whatever,

Quoted message said:

how is going to add bulk to my body? I want to stay thin/lean, not

get

Quoted message said:

bulky.

Well, in general, if you look at runners, they tend toward leanness
rather than bulk. But, *certain* aspects of runners do tend to bulk up
in relation to other parts. For example, after I've been running
awhile, I notice that my calves tend to get bigger. And if you look at
world class runners, they tend toward long and thin with narrower
shoulders and arms, with kinda curvy legs (narrow ankles and knees with
relatively wider calves and thighs). But that doesn't mean that the
calves and things are bulky or big - they still tend to be lean.

So, if you start running, you'll likely notice that your calves get a
little bigger, but they won't get big.

Cathy Weeks

Doug Freese said:

I saw how true this was last Saturday. I had a racewalker show up for my
winter run last week. Since my runs are mostly hills I thought he would
run with us and not walk. To my surprise he walked, talked, and stayed
close to front of the pack. He did run down the very step sections since
the severe down was too awkward if not injury prone.

They have racewalk meets in central park. What they do for these is use a
small loop course on a half-mile flat section of the park -- racewalking simply
is not done on downhill courses.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Quoted message said:

I saw how true this was last Saturday. I had a racewalker show up for
my
winter run last week. Since my runs are mostly hills I thought he
would
run with us and not walk. To my surprise he walked, talked, and
stayed
close to front of the pack. He did run down the very step sections
since
the severe down was too awkward if not injury prone. Most of his
races
are reletively flat. Very impressive!

Quoted message said:

Bob Marshall (pioneer forest ranger and wilderness
advocate) used to walk/hike with a light pack up
to 70 miles per day (in mountain country.) I know
long distance hikers for whom it's not unusual to
hike more miles in a day than I'd care to run.

That's humping if he does all 70 in the daylight. I know I hit 70 miles
in a race just as the sun is going down and that with a 4 am start.

By the way while looking up race walking times I noticed that guy that
came to walk while we ran was in the top 10 for the US. I knew he was
good but not aware that good. 😉

-Doug

Doug Freese said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I saw how true this was last Saturday. I had a racewalker show up for
my
winter run last week. Since my runs are mostly hills I thought he
would
run with us and not walk. To my surprise he walked, talked, and
stayed
close to front of the pack. He did run down the very step sections
since
the severe down was too awkward if not injury prone. Most of his
races
are reletively flat. Very impressive!

Quoted message said:

Bob Marshall (pioneer forest ranger and wilderness
advocate) used to walk/hike with a light pack up
to 70 miles per day (in mountain country.) I know
long distance hikers for whom it's not unusual to
hike more miles in a day than I'd care to run.

That's humping if he does all 70 in the daylight. I know I hit 70 miles
in a race just as the sun is going down and that with a 4 am start.

By the way while looking up race walking times I noticed that guy that
came to walk while we ran was in the top 10 for the US. I knew he was
good but not aware that good. 😉

Fanatics!

My feet get tired after about 20 😉

Blech. Sorry for the triple post - Google told me there was a server
error and to try again later when I posted.

Cathy Weeks

Doug Freese said:

"Tom Phillips" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Bob Marshall (pioneer forest ranger and wilderness
advocate) used to walk/hike with a light pack up
to 70 miles per day (in mountain country.) I know
long distance hikers for whom it's not unusual to
hike more miles in a day than I'd care to run.

That's humping if he does all 70 in the daylight. I know I hit 70 miles
in a race just as the sun is going down and that with a 4 am start.

Some of it was up here - well north of the Arctic Circle 😉 Gates of the
Arctic vicinity, in particular that I'm aware of. I don't remember how
much they did in a day up here, but some was floated (faster) or had
substantial river crossings (slower). (His book Arctic Village was based
in Wiseman and some of his hikes were up near one of my study areas.)

More generally, though, he, as well as a number of surveyors and I'm
sure other biologists, used to do tons of miles and tons of peaks (don't
ask for a precise definition of "ton"😉 in a day. Of course, the
surveyors had to carry all their surveying gear - not the little
handheld GPS units. Oh, yeah, and their ecology studies were a whole lot
more interesting to read than some of the modern ones 😉

Quoted message said:

By the way while looking up race walking times I noticed that guy that
came to walk while we ran was in the top 10 for the US. I knew he was
good but not aware that good. 😉

You always attract the fast ones 😉

Dot

--
The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury.
- John Hardy
http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

Dot said:

Doug Freese said:

"Tom Phillips" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bob Marshall (pioneer forest ranger and wilderness
advocate) used to walk/hike with a light pack up
to 70 miles per day (in mountain country.) I know
long distance hikers for whom it's not unusual to
hike more miles in a day than I'd care to run.

That's humping if he does all 70 in the daylight. I know I hit 70 miles
in a race just as the sun is going down and that with a 4 am start.

Some of it was up here - well north of the Arctic Circle 😉 Gates of the
Arctic vicinity, in particular that I'm aware of. I don't remember how
much they did in a day up here, but some was floated (faster) or had
substantial river crossings (slower). (His book Arctic Village was based
in Wiseman and some of his hikes were up near one of my study areas.)

More generally, though, he, as well as a number of surveyors and I'm
sure other biologists, used to do tons of miles and tons of peaks (don't
ask for a precise definition of "ton"😉 in a day. Of course, the
surveyors had to carry all their surveying gear - not the little
handheld GPS units. Oh, yeah, and their ecology studies were a whole lot
more interesting to read than some of the modern ones 😉

We moderns are such a bunch of wimps, with our
gore tex and ultra light gear 😉

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What "tones" the body is loss of body fat. It makes muscles more
visible.

I dare you to say that in the misc.weight ng. ; )

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Martha