John Kerry at a bike shop (picture)



alorlious

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tamman2000 said:
I am sorry if I am getting too political, but I want to understand this mentality.

Both the canidates are rich, both have expensive bikes.

People always hold this against Kerry, but not Bush. Why?

Is it because Kerry supports people who are not rich? You don't have to be a little guy to like the little guy...

Hell, my starting salary when I got out of college was about twice what the average american family makes, does it make me some kind of hypocrate to feel that I should shoulder a greater tax burden than those who are not as fortunate as myself?
Kerry's wealth is far and away more than Bush. Plus, he got it from his ex-wife and current wife. Who's a whole other topic on a whole other message board herself.

Anyway, if you think the govt owes you something then go ahead, vote for him.
 

Mr_Potatohead

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tamman2000 said:
Does either canidate have any?

People always say a vote for Nader is like a vote for Bush.

I say a vote for either Bush or Kerry is like choosing between execution by firing squad or execution by hanging. The end result is the same, the method may vary. Does having a choice make it better?
 

JohnO

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RC2 said:
Yeah, we shouldn't get political here, this is a bike forum. W/o professing allegiance to either candidate, I think the difference is that Kerry represents himself as the 'common working-class american'. Yeah, right. Honesty and integrity are important qualities these days...

Common, working class American... married to a billionaire. A wise man once told me - when you marry for money, you earn every penny of it.

Well, he rides a Serotta with Campy group, he can't be all bad. No tape on the wheels? I'd say that's more a case of a bad advisor. C'mon, John, appoint a first rate cycle mechanic to your Cabinet.

Bush rides a MTB, but he's friends with Lance so I can forgive him for the off road bike. Maybe he will get one of those gold Madones.

Both candidates have been seen on bikes and with LiveStrong bands on, so cycling definitely seems to be on the upswing in the US. Keeps the upcoming election from being totally depressing. It's a pity - both parties have interesting candidates, they just don't run them for president. McCain versus Gephardt, now that would have been an interesting election.
 

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Mr_Potatohead said:
Uh at least he was in the race, not riding the trainer in the safety of his living room like his...cough, National Guard...opponent.

I just think it's hilarious that the Bush Leaguers have the balls to criticize John Kerry when John Kerry actually served in Vietnam while Bush was protecting hayfields back here stateside.
Kerry does'nt ride - that bike is for his butler. That way, he can get those peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to him quickly!
 

Mr_Potatohead

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anthonyjf said:
Kerry does'nt ride - that bike is for his butler. That way, he can get those peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to him quickly!

over in Europe they call that a "Royale with Jelly"
 

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Mr_Potatohead said:
John McCain versus Hillary Clinton in 2008 is my prediction if Bush is re-elected.
You know how true that is? McCain is by far right now the most popular Republican in the US, while Hilary's popularity is doubling every day. I couldn't stand to see another Clinton in office, but it would be one hell of a race.
 

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Mr_Potatohead said:
Uh at least he was in the race, not riding the trainer in the safety of his living room like his...cough, National Guard...opponent.

I just think it's hilarious that the Bush Leaguers have the balls to criticize John Kerry when John Kerry actually served in Vietnam while Bush was protecting hayfields back here stateside.

I criticize him only becuase he served 4 months, came back then spoke agianst the war. now he acts like he is a HUGE war hero and speaks only of his time (4 months) served in vietnam and not his 19 years in the senate. and you know why, becuase if people judged him by his time in public office he wouldn't stand a chance.
 

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Michael Pisarri said:
I criticize him only becuase he served 4 months, came back then spoke agianst the war. now he acts like he is a HUGE war hero and speaks only of his time (4 months) served in vietnam and not his 19 years in the senate. and you know why, becuase if people judged him by his time in public office he wouldn't stand a chance.

fair enough, maybe he wasn't a hero. Maybe he didn't deserve any medals at all.

But at least he was there in Vietnam while Bush got the fortunate son pass in the National Guard and **** Cheney had "better things to do". I mean if John Kerry exagerates his service, at least he had some.
 

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USMCUglyAngel said:
You know how true that is? McCain is by far right now the most popular Republican in the US, while Hilary's popularity is doubling every day. I couldn't stand to see another Clinton in office, but it would be one hell of a race.

Yeah I don't know who I would bet on in that scenario. I mean John McCain may be a good man and all but Hillary is a dirtier fighter.

That's why they traditionally don't allow women in combat by the way. Because then wars would be much too vicious.
 

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Michael Pisarri said:
I criticize him only becuase he served 4 months, came back then spoke agianst the war. now he acts like he is a HUGE war hero and speaks only of his time (4 months) served in vietnam and not his 19 years in the senate. and you know why, becuase if people judged him by his time in public office he wouldn't stand a chance.
I'm not going to argue politics, but I will argue this war-record thing......

Who is wrong? The man who protests the unjust war after serving in a combat zone with distinction, or the one who neglects to see the value of the cause in the first place and shirks his duty as a citizen so he can stay home?
 

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Mr_Potatohead said:
Yeah I don't know who I would bet on in that scenario. I mean John McCain may be a good man and all but Hillary is a dirtier fighter.

That's why they traditionally don't allow women in combat by the way. Because then wars would be much too vicious.
Thats TOO funny.
 

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tamman2000 said:
Only a dork would judge a cyclist by his clothes rather than his ridding. (Anyway better a tee on someone fast, than postal kit on someone slow.)

BTW. LeMond has ridden with Kerry and gives him a lot of credit for finishing a charity ride they did together under particularly adverse weather conditions.

I was being nice when I referred to him as dork and I know he can not keep up with me at any given day of the week! As the political issue the dork doesn't have a chance. Bike or no bike the dork does not have my vote, period.
 

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RC2 said:
Yeah, we shouldn't get political here, this is a bike forum. W/o professing allegiance to either candidate, I think the difference is that Kerry represents himself as the 'common working-class american'. Yeah, right. Honesty and integrity are important qualities these days...

Please stop by the bloody soap box forum, there is a thread that needs your input. :D
 

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Hi Michael (whoever you are),
That's my photo of Kerry you posted. Have you ever heard of the term COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT?!?!?!
Just kidding.
I'm flattered, but let's set the record straight: It was Portland, not Seattle. Kerry rides Campy gear. Can you blame him for riding in grubbies, with photo geeks like me waiting to pounce? I almost didn't recognize him like that. (But the secret service guys and gals were kind of a giveaway.)
The shop was The Bike Gallery. Stop in next time you're in Portland. Great place.
Please credit: Photograph by Charles Barry, Copyright 2004!
Have fun, but nobody publishes this photo again without permission. (I've got lawyers.)

Chuck
 

Michael127

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Sorry Chuck.

Got the pic from a friend. He just sent me the pic w/o any reference to you, although he told me verbally the story. Thought he said seattle. Whoops.
 

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tsilliman said:
I don't think that his riding is an issue, It is his flip flopping on the issues. Everyone can find a reason to like Kerry because he takes both sides of every issue.

Hey tsilliman - do you actually believe that "bill of goods" the Neo-con's have sold you?? :rolleyes: C'mon, you must be sharper than that?

FYI, here is GWB, the King of Flip-Flopper's "strong and decisive leadership" for ya:

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ?would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists?including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents?issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

11. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

13. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

14. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

15. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

16. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President **** Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

20. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

21. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

23. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

25. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]

Link: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263


BTW, GWB rides a $3000.+ Trek MTB, uses toe clips with sneakers, and crashes more than he rides. Kerry is known for riding centuries on his Serotta, and finishing long charity rides in very rotten weather. So who's the 'Phred' here?

'Nuf said, huh??
 

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