John Kerry: Nice wheels

But what is ENTIRELY uncalled for was Kerry's comment after the President had a mountain bike crash. Its called true character.

Tom Sherman said:

If you believe that Shrub would have been admitted into
Yale and Harvard solely on his academic abilities, you are
obviously rather misguided.

As much as I despise GWB and his policies, think he ought to
be impeached and run out of town, I don't think you have any
proof to back up these assertions. Yale and Harvard are not
going to admit drooling idiots into their schools, no matter
who their parents are. Well, unless they are members of a
secret cabal- that might get you
in.

[email hidden] (Eagle Jackson) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

Ever hear of legacy admissions - one of the primary
reasons Shrub was admitted into Yale?

How do you know that? Do you know what Bush's SAT
scores were?

As shown in another post, his scores were quite low for
Yale. He has never released his prep school grades but for a
person to get in with those SAT scores without Affirmative
Action for Dumbasses, they would have to be extremely high-
probably 4.0 (when 4.0 used to mean something, which it
doesn't that much anymore from a lot of schools).

(The traditional affirmative action recipients are usually
overachievers who have done better than anyone could have
expected given their opportunities in life, compared to the
dumbasses who have screwed around for 12 years or so because
they knew they were going to get a free ride from their
Daddy. Guess which one I think deserves the opportunity to
go to Yale.)

Quoted message said:

Certainly, the admission rate for legacies is higher at
top universities than for non-legacies. No question Bush's
family had some role at Yale. Yet lots of well qualified
students who are legacies and come from prominent families
get denied at Yale (and other top schools)?

Like who?

Quoted message said:

But what about Harvard for his MBA? That is even more
selective and no legacy advantage.

Wrong. What he had was Affirmative Action for Dumbasses: a
wealthy and very powerful father. To its everlasting credit,
the UT law school to which he applied simultaneously had the
guts to reject him. Have you seen his Yale transcript? It
was pathetic- low C average. Any normal person would have a
hard time getting into *any* grad school with those grades,
let alone Harvard Business School. And there is nothing
about his academic career to suggest that his GMAT would
have jumped
1.5-2.0 standard deviations over his SAT score.

Quoted message said:

You may not like Bush. I don't particularly care for him
either. But it's wrong to say he's stupid.

Define stupid. If you define it as average to moderate
intelligence combined with a cruel sociopathic character and
lack of intellectual curiousity, then I think that relative
to his position and advantages in life, Bush qualifies as
stupid, which is not to say that he doesn't have a certain
sociopathic knack for wielding his power to his best
advantage (with the help of one or two crafty people who are
a lot smarter than he is, but just as cruel), sorta like a
Mafia don.

I think Bush probably has significant learning disabilities
exacerbated by years of alcoholism, and comes from a
dysfunctional and tragic family. Get him the help he needs
but for God's sake get him out of the White House.

Quoted message said:

No one who gets elected president is stupid.

Bush was elected president. Bush is stupid. Therefore, at
least one person who gets elected president *is* stupid.

Quoted message said:

He has led a privileged life. So has John Kerry. Big deal.

The question is, what have they done with their privilege?

Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam, and served with honor
and courage despite his opposition to the war, and came home
and led a movement to stop the war and stop any more
Americans from dying there. But only after he had stepped up
and done his duty.

Bush hid from the Vietnam war in the TANG in a slot
obtained through the influence of his father, while
supporting the duty of those sons less fortunate than
himself to go and die there.

Kerry has dedicated his entire adult life to public service;
Bush has spent most of his adult life in a state of
dissapation, going from one failed business venture to the
next on the coattails of his father's power and influence
until Karl Rove decided to prove that it was possible to get
even a cruel, sociopathic dullard elected governor of Texas
and president of the United States by playing on the good
nature of the American people, who simply could not consider
the possibility that they were and are being lied to, time
after time on issue after issue.

There is no question who is the better man. There is no
question who has used his privelege to the benefit of others
instead of himself and his cronies. One person has behaved
as a hero in the truly classic sense of the word, one is
loathsome. More and more of us are finding the courage to
admit this sad truth about our president to ourselves, and
to make the decision to set things right this time.

JP

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jp
[email hidden] (Eagle Jackson) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

...
Blah, blah, blah.

Despite your protracted analysis, why is John Kerry always acting like a spoiled brat? To wit, why was it a Secret Service agent that spoiled his snow boarding and why did John Kerry make that awful comment on GWB's MTB crash?

Kerry is a self-serving, major league AH.

(JP) said:

Hardly anyone ever seems to complain about affirmative
action for dumbasses- the kids that grew up with every
conceivable advantage, accomplished nothing and then went
on to an Ivy League school (where they also accomplished
nothing) based on a preference derived from their parents'
wealth and power.

So, just to make sure I understand how this works...

IF you had been "unlucky" enough to have a famous parent or
two (business tychoon, polititian, poet, artist, bicycle
racer), and you then accomplished whatever it is you've
accomplished in your own life to this point, it should be
ridiculed and minimized... and wouldn't be as valuable as
it is now.

Did I get that right?

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of
the $695 ti frame

Chris Dorn said:

... Last time I checked it was pretty difficult to fly a
fighter jet..... a little more of a brain stretch than
peddling a bike! He has to have some intellligence,
somewhere.

I wonder if Shrub knows the difference between peddling
and pedaling?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

JP said:

... Bush was elected president. Bush is stupid. Therefore,
at least one person who gets elected president *is*
stupid....

Does it count when the margin of victory in the election is
5-4 in the US Supreme Court?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Mark Hickey said:

Spin it as you will, Bush earned a Bachelors in history
from Yale and an MBA from Harvard, getting better
grades along the way than the "intellectual" he ran
against in 2000.

Shrub had everything stacked in his favor by others - not
very impressive.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Tom Sherman said:

JP said:

... Bush was elected president. Bush is stupid.
Therefore, at least one person who gets elected president
*is* stupid....

Does it count when the margin of victory in the election is
5-4 in the US Supreme Court?

Think of the uproar you would be making today had the shoe
been on the other foot (Bush losing Florida by a few hundred
votes), and Bush had succeeded in changing the election laws
AFTER the voting took place, to use unprecedented and
ambiguous standards to "re-count" the ballots to his
advantage. You know, like Gore wanted. Heh. Your knickers
would be so twisted you wouldn't be able to inhale. ;-)

Let's not forget that the Florida circuit judge (a
Democrat, BTW) agreed with the majority in the Supreme
Court that the counting had been done properly (and
properly and properly and...)?

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of
the $695 ti frame

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Weisse Luft said:

This thread is fraught with errors in logic. Please
see this site to learn about these errors and become
better writers:

nizkor.orgfallaciesOpen ↗

Dear Mr. Spock,

I fear that logic is not the issue in this thread. You might
as well suggest that people writing love-letters pay closer
attention to practical matters.

Lewis Carroll

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by carlfogel
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:47:22 GMT, Weisse Luft

Quoted message said:

This thread is fraught with errors in logic. Please
see this site to learn about these errors and become
better writers:

nizkor.orgfallaciesOpen ↗

Dear Mr. Spock,

I fear that logic is not the issue in this thread. You might
as well suggest that people writing love-letters pay closer
attention to practical matters.

Lewis Carroll

Fascinating. You start off with obivious ad hominum attacks, completely ignoring the fact this is rec.bicycles.tech. Possibly you have been drawn into the fray from the extensive length of this thread.

Such is the problem of the neo-socialists. They think with their hearts and feel with their brains.

Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Despite your protracted analysis, why is John Kerry always
acting like a spoiled brat? To wit, why was it a Secret
Service agent that spoiled his snow boarding and why did
John Kerry make that awful comment on GWB's MTB crash?

In what way is he acting like a spoiled brat? He made a
couple of jokes. Anyone ever rib you about crashing your
bike? I don't know for sure because I wasn't there, but the
cracks he made have a similar tone to what we see on any
given group ride.

I guess that's exactly the same as launching smear campaigns
against anyone who criticizes you, or blowing the cover of a
CIA agent to get revenge on her husband. Yeah, the same.

JP

Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Tom Sherman said:

JP said:

... Bush was elected president. Bush is stupid.
Therefore, at least one person who gets elected
president *is* stupid....

Does it count when the margin of victory in the election
is 5-4 in the US Supreme Court?

Think of the uproar you would be making today had the shoe
been on the other foot (Bush losing Florida by a few
hundred votes), and Bush had succeeded in changing the
election laws AFTER the voting took place, to use
unprecedented and ambiguous standards to "re-count" the
ballots to his advantage. You know, like Gore wanted. Heh.
Your knickers would be so twisted you wouldn't be able to
inhale. ;-)

Let's not forget that the Florida circuit judge (a
Democrat, BTW) agreed with the majority in the Supreme
Court that the counting had been done properly (and
properly and properly and...)?

This is a complete load of [censored]. I could go on for several
thousand words but in a nutshell these are the facts:

1. Many legal votes under existing FL law were *never*
counted.
2. Many illegal votes under existing FL law *were* counted
when they came from Bush-leaning counties, and were
discarded if they came from Gore counties.
3. Many FL counties did not recount as required by FL law
but simply recertified the first count.
4. The worst error rates were not on the punched ballots as
most people believe, they were the optical-scanned
ballots. Bush counties had overvote error-feedback turned
on, Gore counties generally had the same protection
turned off. Not surprisingly, the counties with the
overvote protection turned on had low error rates and
those with it turned off had the highest error rates.
5. The SCOTUS did not say the votes had been counted
properly, it said that the recounting procedure was not
consistent from county to county therefore you should
just quit trying, an argument so absurd that no justice
had the courage to put his or her name on the written
decision as the author.

The stuff about "counted and counted" is a lie, but one that
most of the US public believe is true. If all the legal
votes in FL had been counted and all the illegal votes
discarded, Gore would have won Florida. And that's not an
opinion, that's a fact.

It's also a fact that the Bush 2000 campaign was recently
fined for illegal funding of the FL recount effort. Maybe if
they had not had all that illegal money (several times what
was available to the Gore campaign) they would not have been
in a position to hide the truth from the American people
when it could have counted.

JP

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jp
Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Despite your protracted analysis, why is John Kerry always
acting like a spoiled brat? To wit, why was it a Secret
Service agent that spoiled his snow boarding and why did
John Kerry make that awful comment on GWB's MTB crash?

In what way is he acting like a spoiled brat? He made a
couple of jokes. Anyone ever rib you about crashing your
bike? I don't know for sure because I wasn't there, but the
cracks he made have a similar tone to what we see on any
given group ride.

I guess that's exactly the same as launching smear campaigns
against anyone who criticizes you, or blowing the cover of a
CIA agent to get revenge on her husband. Yeah, the same.

JP

Kerry was quite concerned ex post facto over the fact his comments could have been considered on the record. His friends in the media kept them quiet.

Oh, so we know about Valerie Plame? CIA deep cover agents are known only to themselves and their handlers. Even the DD of the CIA does not know who is deep cover. Nor does he need to know. Ms. Plame's cover was blown long before Novack et al made an issue of it and it was released by her husband.

Now, are there any other strawmen you wish to use?

Weisse Luft said:

carlfogel said:

Weisse Luft usenet- said:

This thread is fraught with errors in logic. Please
see this site to learn about these errors and become
better writers:

.org/features/fallacies/nizkor.orgfeatureOpen ↗
s/fallacies/

Dear Mr. Spock, I fear that logic is not the issue in
this thread. You might as well suggest that people
writing love-letters pay closer attention to practical
matters. Lewis Carroll

Fascinating. You start off with obivious ad hominum
attacks, completely ignoring the fact this is
rec.bicycles.tech. Possibly you have been drawn into the
fray from the extensive length of this thread.

Such is the problem of the neo-socialists. They think with
their hearts and feel with their brains.

Dear Mr. Spock,

Whether you meant "obvious" or "oblivious," it's fascinating
to discover that neo-socialists are infesting the area. Do
you have anyone in mind, or was it just something tossed out
at random.

Worf

Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(JP) said:

Hardly anyone ever seems to complain about affirmative
action for dumbasses- the kids that grew up with every
conceivable advantage, accomplished nothing and then went
on to an Ivy League school (where they also accomplished
nothing) based on a preference derived from their
parents' wealth and power.

So, just to make sure I understand how this works...

IF you had been "unlucky" enough to have a famous parent
or two (business tychoon, polititian, poet, artist,
bicycle racer), and you then accomplished whatever it is
you've accomplished in your own life to this point, it
should be ridiculed and minimized... and wouldn't be as
valuable as it is now.

Did I get that right?

Not exactly. Say you're born with a silver spoon: what did
you do with it?

There's no question that Bush could not have gotten into
Yale based on his own accomplishments. He's a dumbass.

At least many of the people who are born with the wealth,
power and educational advantages that Bush had go ahead to
make the best of it- the only things that Bush has
accomplished was to make a mess out of almost everything he
touched, and anything he did that was successful was always
dependent on his Daddy's power to fix things. He has done
NOTHING positive on his own.

It was pretty predictable- he will leave the US just like he
left his businesses and Texas, in a mess.

JP

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jp
Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (JP) wrote:

...

It was pretty predictable- he will leave the US just like he
left his businesses and Texas, in a mess.

JP

Texas enjoyed the excellent leadership of George Bush during his two terms as governor. Look up his success in FINALLY cleaning the brown fields and restoring these areas to their pristine conditions. And you thought he was anti-environment. Despite what the leftists claim, the Texas environment got BETTER, its just the standards became tighter under the Clean Air Act so some areas fell into non-attainment.

Oh yes, the Texas Rangers did just fine.

Get your story straight.

Weisse Luft said:

Jp said:

Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (JP) wrote:

...

It was pretty predictable- he will leave the US just
like he left his businesses and Texas, in a mess. JP

Texas enjoyed the excellent leadership of George Bush
during his two terms as governor. Look up his success in
FINALLY cleaning the brown fields and restoring these
areas to their pristine conditions. And you thought he was
anti-environment. Despite what the leftists claim, the
Texas environment got BETTER, its just the standards
became tighter under the Clean Air Act so some areas fell
into non-attainment.

Oh yes, the Texas Rangers did just fine....

Yes, the value of the Texas Rangers increased greatly when a
new stadium was built with taxpayer subsidies.

Does anyone else think it was a bit odd that Shrub was made
managing partner of the Rangers despite purchasing less than
2% of the team? Even more odd was the other investors
granting Shrub over 10% of the proceeds when the team was
sold, despite his less than 2% investment.

I wish I had investment opportunities like that!

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

JP said:

Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Tom Sherman said:

JP wrote:

>... Bush was elected president. Bush is stupid.
>Therefore, at least one person who gets elected
>president *is* stupid....

Does it count when the margin of victory in the election
is 5-4 in the US Supreme Court?

Think of the uproar you would be making today had the shoe
been on the other foot (Bush losing Florida by a few
hundred votes), and Bush had succeeded in changing the
election laws AFTER the voting took place, to use
unprecedented and ambiguous standards to "re-count" the
ballots to his advantage. You know, like Gore wanted. Heh.
Your knickers would be so twisted you wouldn't be able to
inhale. ;-)

Let's not forget that the Florida circuit judge (a
Democrat, BTW) agreed with the majority in the Supreme
Court that the counting had been done properly (and
properly and properly and...)?

This is a complete load of [censored]. I could go on for several
thousand words but in a nutshell these are the facts:

1. Many legal votes under existing FL law were *never*
counted.
2. Many illegal votes under existing FL law *were* counted
when they came from Bush-leaning counties, and were
discarded if they came from Gore counties.
3. Many FL counties did not recount as required by FL law
but simply recertified the first count.
4. The worst error rates were not on the punched ballots
as most people believe, they were the optical-scanned
ballots. Bush counties had overvote error-feedback
turned on, Gore counties generally had the same
protection turned off. Not surprisingly, the counties
with the overvote protection turned on had low error
rates and those with it turned off had the highest
error rates.
5. The SCOTUS did not say the votes had been counted
properly, it said that the recounting procedure was not
consistent from county to county therefore you should
just quit trying, an argument so absurd that no justice
had the courage to put his or her name on the written
decision as the author.

The stuff about "counted and counted" is a lie, but one
that most of the US public believe is true. If all the
legal votes in FL had been counted and all the illegal
votes discarded, Gore would have won Florida. And that's
not an opinion, that's a fact.

It's also a fact that the Bush 2000 campaign was recently
fined for illegal funding of the FL recount effort. Maybe
if they had not had all that illegal money (several times
what was available to the Gore campaign) they would not
have been in a position to hide the truth from the
American people when it could have counted.

To add to the above, there was the effort made to illegally
prevent as many people as possible from traditionally
Democratic voting districts. Secretary of State Harris and
ChoicePoint removed thousands of potential voters for felony
convictions they did not have. Additionally, the rate of
rejected/spoiled ballots was much higher in traditionally
Democratic voting precincts than in traditionally Republican
voting precincts.

Face it, the 2000 Florida election was stolen for Shrub by
his brother's political appointees, and the US Supreme Court
approved the theft on a purely partisan basis.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area