julich to work for mike jones in '04!

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  1. Hey,

    Just found out the shakedown for 2004 in the US. 7UP merges with Healthnet....Prime Alliance is
    gone......Julich to shag bottles for Mike Jones in Tour de Georgia. Oh, and Mr. Danielson goes to
    Europe. I know more, but can't tell you it yet.

    Thanks, Ronde Chumpion
     
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  2. Fred Marx

    Fred Marx Guest

    ronde chumpion wrote:

    > Hey,
    >
    > Just found out the shakedown for 2004 in the US. 7UP merges with Healthnet....Prime Alliance is
    > gone......Julich to shag bottles for Mike Jones in Tour de Georgia. Oh, and Mr. Danielson goes
    > to Europe. I know more, but can't tell you it yet.
    >
    > Thanks, Ronde Chumpion

    As The Contract is Written, new UCI soap. This weeks installment, will Tyler sign for Phonak? How
    much they pay to get him away from mentor Riis? Will our hero stay upright? Tune in during the first
    weeks of September for all the juicy details.......
     
  3. Fred Marx

    Fred Marx Guest

    ronde chumpion wrote:

    > Hey,
    >
    > Just found out the shakedown for 2004 in the US. 7UP merges with Healthnet....Prime Alliance is
    > gone......Julich to shag bottles for Mike Jones in Tour de Georgia. Oh, and Mr. Danielson goes
    > to Europe. I know more, but can't tell you it yet.
    >
    > Thanks, Ronde Chumpion

    Oh yeah and how will Fassa Bortolo keep Danielson on the road in windy European races?
     
  4. so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so good one year, and never ever
    being even close to that form again? And even more strange is that Rinero and Meir also disappeared
    after super performance at the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year? Casagrande crashed
    out on the first mountain stage, I wonder what he would he would have accomplished?!?!!!
     
  5. Kyle Legate

    Kyle Legate Guest

    Oscar Mannheim wrote:
    > so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so good one year, and never
    > ever being even close to that form again? And even more strange is that Rinero and Meir also
    > disappeared after super performance at the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year?
    >
    Not what was going on at Cofidis...what was going on at the Tour? A great deal of the major players
    went home early, and the Tour was a shadow of a race that year. People seem to think that Bobby had
    a breakthrough Tour when in fact the top half of the results sheet was sent home.
     
  6. > Not what was going on at Cofidis...what was going on at the Tour? A great deal of the major
    > players went home early, and the Tour was a shadow of a race that year. People seem to think that
    > Bobby had a breakthrough Tour
    when
    > in fact the top half of the results sheet was sent home.

    that's not true, the only team that left early was Festina. There was only ONE mountain stage left
    when riders, and teams, choose to leave the Tour, and at that stage Julich, Rinero and Meir were all
    in the top ten GC.
     
  7. "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so good one year, and never
    > ever being even close to that form again? And even
    more
    > strange is that Rinero and Meir also disappeared after super performance
    at
    > the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year?

    I don't know, but have wondered.

    IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries' standards)
    out-of-competition testing.

    That coincides with the 'disappearance' of those 3 riders.

    Coincidence? I don't know. It's not proof.
     
  8. > I don't know, but have wondered.
    >
    >
    > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > standards) out-of-competition testing.

    There was another French team that had a super year 98, and that was Casino. They had amazing
    results with riders like Massi, Elli, Hamburger and Jaermann
     
  9. "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > I don't know, but have wondered.
    > >
    > >
    > > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > > standards) out-of-competition testing.
    >
    > There was another French team that had a super year 98, and that was
    Casino.
    > They had amazing results with riders like Massi, Elli, Hamburger and Jaermann

    Massi won the climber's jersey, right?

    The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff. Was he
    ever heard from again?
     
  10. In article <[email protected]>, "Kurgan Gringioni"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > There was another French team that had a super year 98, and that was
    > Casino.
    > > They had amazing results with riders like Massi, Elli, Hamburger and Jaermann
    >
    >
    >
    > Massi won the climber's jersey, right?

    He was wearing the jersey, but was held by the police after the 18th stage (Aug. 30) and could not
    start the stage the next day.

    > The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff. Was
    > he ever heard from again?

    The fact that there was little protest, if any at all, from the other riders suggests that the
    cops had the right guy, or at least that his colleagues did not care much for him. Of course, this
    happened just after the strike attempt: On Aug. 29, this was the stage where it looked as if the
    Tour would not get to Paris (this is the day when Riis earned forever the gratitude of Leblanc).
    That day the Banesto and Once quit. The next day, the Kelme and Vitalicio. That evening Massi was
    held by the police or gendarmes and not allowed to start the next morning. I suppose the guys who
    were still in the race were more or less committed to finishing it and didn't bother raising a
    fuss anymore.

    jyh.

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  11. Jones

    Jones Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so good one year, and never
    > > ever being even close to that form again? And even
    > more
    > > strange is that Rinero and Meir also disappeared after super performance
    > at
    > > the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I don't know, but have wondered.
    >
    >
    > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > standards) out-of-competition testing.
    >
    >
    > That coincides with the 'disappearance' of those 3 riders.
    >
    >
    > Coincidence? I don't know. It's not proof.

    First of all, Julich hasn't "disappeared" if you've bothered to take notice. Obviously, the guy has
    been working as a domestique for Telekom the last two years. Secondly, only one of the 3 riders
    (Rinero) would have been subjected to the French out-of-competition testing since he was the only
    Frenchman. You'll have to come up with something a lot better than that if you want to make your
    case. I don't think it's a coincidence and obviously it's not even close to proof. Furthermore,
    maybe Julich was lucky to be on the podium that year due to some other major players dropping out
    but it's not like the guy can't ride. Last year he was 2nd in the Tour de Suisse time trial and has
    finished in the top 10 in other time trials or race stages. Seems like inconsistency is his problem
    if you ask me. You guys need to ease up on people since you probably don't have any idea what it's
    like to walk in their shoes, nor do I. I think it's one thing if a guy's been popped for doping,
    then you should rip him to shreds.
     
  12. "jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so
    good
    > > > one year, and never ever being even close to that form again? And even
    > > more
    > > > strange is that Rinero and Meir also disappeared after super
    performance
    > > at
    > > > the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I don't know, but have wondered.
    > >
    > >
    > > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > > standards) out-of-competition testing.
    > >
    > >
    > > That coincides with the 'disappearance' of those 3 riders.
    > >
    > >
    > > Coincidence? I don't know. It's not proof.
    >
    > First of all, Julich hasn't "disappeared" if you've bothered to take notice. Obviously, the guy
    > has been working as a domestique for Telekom the last two years. Secondly, only one of the 3
    > riders (Rinero) would have been subjected to the French out-of-competition testing since he was
    > the only Frenchman. You'll have to come up with something a lot better than that if you want to
    > make your case.

    <snip>

    Dumbass -

    I said:

    "It's not proof"
     
  13. Nev Shea

    Nev Shea Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Massi won the climber's jersey, right?
    >
    > The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff. Was
    > he ever heard from again?

    If you mean heard from as in prominent placings, I dunno, but it did bring back fond memories to see
    him starting the Giro this year for the Colombia- Selle Italia team. Just found this:

    http://www.dewielersite.net/coureurs/massi_r.htm

    so, he's been around.

    NS
     
  14. On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:01:05 GMT, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
    > The rumour on [Massi], even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff.

    His nickname: The Pharmacist.
     
  15. Also interesting that last year he rode for Amore Vita - very strong anti drug stance on that team.

    Mark VandenBerghe

    "Nev Shea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > Massi won the climber's jersey, right?
    > >
    > > The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff.
    > > Was he ever heard from again?
    >
    >
    > If you mean heard from as in prominent placings, I dunno, but it did bring back fond memories to
    > see him starting the Giro this year for the
    Colombia-
    > Selle Italia team. Just found this:
    >
    > http://www.dewielersite.net/coureurs/massi_r.htm
    >
    > so, he's been around.
    >
    > NS
     
  16. Brian Roth

    Brian Roth Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Massi won the climber's jersey, right?
    >
    > The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff. Was
    > he ever heard from again?

    He finished 68th in the Giro this year.
     
  17. Jones

    Jones Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > so Julich will not get a new contract with Telekom. How can one be so
    > good
    > > > > one year, and never ever being even close to that form again? And even
    > more
    > > > > strange is that Rinero and Meir also disappeared after super
    > performance at
    > > > > the Tour 98. What was going on in confidis that year?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I don't know, but have wondered.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > > > standards) out-of-competition testing.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > That coincides with the 'disappearance' of those 3 riders.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Coincidence? I don't know. It's not proof.
    > >
    > > First of all, Julich hasn't "disappeared" if you've bothered to take notice. Obviously, the guy
    > > has been working as a domestique for Telekom the last two years. Secondly, only one of the 3
    > > riders (Rinero) would have been subjected to the French out-of-competition testing since he was
    > > the only Frenchman. You'll have to come up with something a lot better than that if you want to
    > > make your case.
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >
    >
    > Dumbass -
    >
    > I said:
    >
    > "It's not proof"
    >

    You REALLY need to get a life.....
     
  18. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Oscar Mannheim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > I don't know, but have wondered.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > IIRC, after the 1998 debacle, the French instituted their draconian (by other countries'
    > > > standards) out-of-competition testing.
    > >
    > > There was another French team that had a super year 98, and that was
    > Casino.
    > > They had amazing results with riders like Massi, Elli, Hamburger and Jaermann
    >
    >
    >
    > Massi won the climber's jersey, right?
    >
    > The rumour on him, even in the press, was that he was a principle supplier of the good stuff. Was
    > he ever heard from again?

    I'm almost certain that I read he was cleared. The problem is I can't remember where I read it. Does
    anyone else remember this?

    -RJ
     
  19. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Seems like inconsistency is his problem if you ask me. You guys need to ease up on people since
    > you probably don't have any
    idea
    > what it's like to walk in their shoes, nor do I. I think it's one thing if a guy's been popped for
    > doping, then you should rip him to shreds.

    Nah, if they've been found everyone forgives them. It's only if they haven't tested positive that
    the dogs are on the hunt.
     
  20. "jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > "jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote
    in

    > > > >
    > > > > Coincidence? I don't know. It's not proof.
    > > >
    > > > First of all, Julich hasn't "disappeared" if you've bothered to take notice. Obviously, the
    > > > guy has been working as a domestique for Telekom the last two years. Secondly, only one of the
    > > > 3 riders (Rinero) would have been subjected to the French out-of-competition testing since he
    > > > was the only Frenchman. You'll have to come up with something a lot better than that if you
    > > > want to make your case.
    > >
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Dumbass -
    > >
    > > I said:
    > >
    > > "It's not proof"
    > >

    >
    > You REALLY need to get a life.....

    Dumbass -

    What does:

    "It's not proof"

    mean to you?

    thank you very much.
     
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