"Junior" Fatties??



Hunter wrote:

> Not enough, but:
>
> Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
> cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
> kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
> races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.
>
> In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
> podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
> own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
> AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
> cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
> take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
> Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
> vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
> necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
> slow. Or whatever.
>
> I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
> or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
> reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
> kids as tools of that process--that sucks.
>
> If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
> needn't. That's what other kids are for.
>


Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree!

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
 
Hunter wrote:

> Not enough, but:
>
> Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
> cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
> kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
> races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.
>
> In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
> podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
> own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
> AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
> cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
> take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
> Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
> vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
> necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
> slow. Or whatever.
>
> I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
> or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
> reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
> kids as tools of that process--that sucks.
>
> If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
> needn't. That's what other kids are for.
>


Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree!

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
 
Hunter wrote:

> Not enough, but:
>
> Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
> cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
> kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
> races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.
>
> In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
> podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
> own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
> AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
> cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
> take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
> Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
> vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
> necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
> slow. Or whatever.
>
> I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
> or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
> reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
> kids as tools of that process--that sucks.
>
> If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
> needn't. That's what other kids are for.
>


Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree!

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
 
Hunter wrote:

> Not enough, but:
>
> Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
> cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
> kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
> races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.
>
> In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
> podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
> own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
> AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
> cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
> take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
> Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
> vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
> necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
> slow. Or whatever.
>
> I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
> or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
> reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
> kids as tools of that process--that sucks.
>
> If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
> needn't. That's what other kids are for.
>


Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree!

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you ***** out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
> Me wrote:
> > On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
> > [email protected], "Bill C"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Me wrote:
> > >> http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
> > > Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
> > > England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
> > > Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
> > > Bill C
> > >

> >
> > It is from Junior Natz this year!

> That's really sad.
> http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
> That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
> person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
> Bill C
 
Hunter wrote:
> Not enough, but:
>
> Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
> cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
> kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
> races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.
>
> In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
> podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
> own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
> AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
> cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
> take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
> Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
> vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
> necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
> slow. Or whatever.

Yes I think I am a better parent than that kids. Not because my kids
raced and were succesful, but because we have done everything we can to
keep them healthy.
It's no secret that my son who was good enough to be a legitimate
National threat decided that hallucinogenic drugs were more fun than
racing. We spent two years and several ODs dealing with it. He's now
clean and was an honor roll student last quarter, but it took an
incredible effort on our part. Lot's of resentment because we had to
deny the other kids things to pay for his rehab/medical bills.
**** happens, then you try harder. Our other kids ride and race for
fun. We have no expectations and don't push them except to enjoy it.
Each of them has been allowed, and encouraged to find healthy things
that give them satisfaction and accomplishment. Luckily we have great
friends and family who have been more than happy to help out.
If that kid was here I'd be happy to ride with him and help out as
would the rest of us.
The reality is the first step to dealing with a problem is facing it
honestly and committing to making changes. It looks like this kid has
done that and I applaud him for it. If this kid has any kind of support
system his response to any taunts should be " Yep, I'm fat. I wish I
hadn't gotten this way, but now I'm fixing it and will be a lot better
for it." If there's a medical problem I hope he's gotten help for it.
There was a really good scene in one of the MASH books where a NY city
social worker who's doing a study in Maine asks one of the fisherman
why they take the **** from the guy running the fish market. He calls
them Dagos, Wops, etc... The fisherman gets really ****** at the
researcher and says "It's not what he calls us, it's how he treats us.
He buys our fish at market prices even when he has enough. He helps
lots of our families, and he always treats us right. The rest is just
********, and we give it right back"
Don't get hooked on being offended, it blinds you to what's actually
happening a lot of times. I know a guy who comes off as an obnoxious,
loudmouthed, practical joking pinhead. He runs a small family heating
oil business, and is just getting by, but part of the reason he's just
getting by is that he fills a lot of his customers tanks, who are in a
bind or on fixed incomes, during the cold months and says "Pay me when
you can or don't worry about it." The only thing is he doesn't want
anyone talking about it.
What you see isn't always what you get.
Bill C
 

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