Just found out about recumbents..need to know more...

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> James S. Prine wrote:
[...]
>> What is your solution, apart from your notion of returning to a form of
>> isolationism?
>
> Stop propping up corrupt dictatorships in the Arab and Muslim world (and
> everywhere else for that matter), removing US forces from the Middle East,
> and stop shielding Israel in the UN from the consequences of its illegal
> and immoral actions in the occupied territories, and make it clear that
> the US does not support a "Greater Israel" encompassing everything west of
> the Jordan River.

Mr. Sherman has never understood real politik and he never will. He is an
idealist and operates in a world of how things ought to be instead of how
they in fact are. That is just another reason why we do not want to have a
liberal like Kerry in the White House. The times are too precarious for such
foolishness.

Israel is more than capable of looking after it's own interests without any
input from the US.

> After these actions are taken, there will be almost no support for anti-US
> terrorists, so the few remaining fanatics can be dealt with by
> international law enforcement.

Mr. Sherman also does not understand the nature of the Islamic religion
which advocates Jihad (Holy War). Until this religion is reformed, we will
always be in danger from them because they may be able to acquire nuclear
weapons.

> I was not advocating isolationism, and to say so it a deliberate
> distortion, i.e. falsehood.

Mr. Sherman would have this nation interfere abroad in order to further his
liberal agenda. It would be interesting right now for instance to know what
he thinks this country should be doing about the genocide that is presently
occurring in the Sudan.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>The bottom line is that we did not kill nearly enough of them, as
>>>>witness this insurgency which we are now having to put down. These
>>>>insurgents should all have been slaughtered on the battlefield, but
>>>>instead they ran and hid like the cowards they are. No one can stand up
>>>>to U.S. military might. That is the way I like it and that is the way I
>>>>want to keep it....
>>>
>>>Yet all the military might is nearly useless against a few thousand
>>>occupation resistance fighters equipped only with small arms. The US has
>>>won the battles in Iraq, but will lose the war (just like Vietnam).
>>>
>>>Colonialism is dead. Accept it.
>>
>>
>> The US only briefly flirted with colonialism following the
>> Spanish-American War. The US was never a colonial power and we are not
>> now. We are in Iraq as liberators and we have no interest in occupying
>> the country. Our only interest there is that it not fall into the hands
>> of terrorist groups. If it can become a democracy so much the better, but
>> the main thing is that it not be a threat to the safety and security of
>> this country. We are soon perhaps going to have to do something about
>> Iran and for the same reasons.
>>
>> I do not consider what is happening in Iraq now to be much of a war at
>> all. The insurgents will eventually be put down. The war has long since
>> been won, but nobody can say for sure just what the new Iraq is going to
>> look like. We will do our damnedest to make sure that it never again
>> looks like the old Iraq under Sadaam.
>
> No, it is a new form of colonialism that seeks to impose neo-conservative
> values on other countries, using not only the US military, but the IMF,
> World Bank, WTO, all for the greater profit of multi-national
> corporations.
>
> The US guaranteed its defeat in Iraq but having Paul Bremer try to impose
> economic "free market shock therapy" on the Iraqi people without their
> consent (or any basis in international law). Maintaining employment and
> keeping the government bureaucracies intact (removing only the top level
> of Ba'athist appointees) MIGHT have maintained social order. But the
> amateur neo-cons (many of them Republicans in their 20's with no
> experience) ignored the advice of the US State Department and UN and tried
> to impose their ideological vision on Iraq, resulting in disaster.
>
> Allawi is a pretty close Hussein substitute - he is ruthless, brutal and
> has lots of covert connection to the US government. The are other
> similarities. Hussein tortured innocent Iraqis at Abu Ghraib, and the US
> has tortured innocent Iraqi at Abu Ghraib. This in itself is enough for
> the Iraqi to never accept the US as a benevolent liberation, but will
> confirm the US in their minds as an aggressive conqueror.

The US is trying to impose democracy on an area of the world that has never
known it. Why would we do such a thing? Because it is in our interest to do
so. Despicable governments, which is all the Arabs have ever known, breed
terrorists whereas democratic governments do not. The only thing we are
trying to export are our very good American values.

America is the greatest crusader nation the world has ever known. America,
as the sole remaining super power in the world, could impose it's will on
the world if it wanted to by military force, but all we want is for the rest
of the world to enjoy the freedom and liberty that we possess in rich
abundance here in this country. That is the extent of our new colonialism.

Mr. Sherman is a European at heart. He truly does not belong to this
country. France would suit him perfectly. I can just see him sitting at a
cafe on the Champs Elysee in Paris having his liquor and lamenting American
influence in the world.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> James S. Prine wrote:
>
>>>The US has violated or withdrawn from treaties when it felt it was the
>>>correct course of action. This is a rather weak argument for supporting
>>>racist colonialism.
>>
>>
>> You contend that the U.S. sent military forces to South Vietnam simply
>> for
>> purposes of racist colonialism?
>
> That is why the French were there, and why the US supported the French
> instead of the Vietnamese nationalists in the late 1940's and 1950's. The
> Vietnamese turned to "Communism" as a means of national liberation, not
> from ideology.

If in fact that is what the North Vietnamese did, then it was an incredibly
stupid thing for them to do. The Vietnam War was lost because Johnson did
not know how to fight a war. Kerry would be the same sort of loser asshole.
That is why we want Bush to be our president for the next 4 years.

>>>>"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."
>>>
>>>So what?
>>
>>
>> Perhaps because Crockett valued honesty, character, integrity, and moral
>> courage? All virtues sadly absent in Kerry.
>
> And even more absent in **** Cheney and George W. Bush, who didn't even
> have the decency to fight in a war they supported.

Now Mr. Sherman has gone completely bonkers. Why should nice middle class
and upper class kids be in the trenches when there are plenty of lower class
kids who can do that sort of thing. When I was in the Navy I noted that it
was only the lower class kids (usually from the South) who thought the Navy
was a good deal. We middle class types couldn't wait to get out. It has been
ever thus.

>>>As the sign in Baghdad said, "Saddam Gone, Job Done, Go Home". Good
>>>advice.
>>
>>
>> Well, we had Hanoi Jane, so I take it you're attempting to become
>> "Baghdad
>> Tom"?
>>
>> <g>
>
> Putting a "<g>" after such statements does nothing to make them more
> acceptable.

Mr. Sherman is a classic appeaser and an apologist for evil in this world.
He is that because he hates America above all else which he thinks is
nothing but a country for the very rich. In others words, he is nutty as a
fruit cake.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Elhanan Maayan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>... and
>>>>>>a large portion of it objects to our pm's actions on settlemetns
>>>>>>evictions...
>>>>>
>>>>>Removing the post 1967 Jewish settlement from the occupied territories
>>>>>is the LEGAL and MORAL course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If the Palestinians are not going to be forcibly removed from Gaza, then
>>>>it is the PRUDENT course to remove the Jewish settlements from there.
>>>>The West Bank is a totally different story.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>... in USA, both
>>>>>>party have equel voices. one side cannot close the other side's
>>>>>>mouth...
>>>>>
>>>>>If the Bushites get their way, this will no longer be true. They view
>>>>>any dissent as a terrorist act.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Straight from Cuckoo-land! Mr. Sherman needs to get off of all those
>>>>liberal hate Bush web sites.
>>>
>>>The Bushites are the ones who claimed that any opposition to their
>>>policies was supporting terrorism.
>>
>>
>> That is the effect of the liberal nut cases who are the reason Kerry
>> moved so far to the left. The Dems should have gone with Dean. Now you
>> are stuck with Kerry and a bad conscience about the war. We Republicans
>> support Bush and the war wholeheartedly even though it is not going as
>> smoothly now as we thought it would. I look upon the liberal Dems as
>> appeasers. They come across as hating America and all it stands for in
>> the world. Kerry would be right at home in France. Need I say more?
>
> "Not going as smoothly now as we thought it would"? No cakewalk and Iraqis
> throwing flowers at US troops? I guess the Iraqi people prefer hand
> grenades instead. Iraq is a complete disaster, and the best course for the
> US would be to leave as soon as possible.

Mr. Sherman confuses the Iraqi people with the insurgents who are nothing
but Sadaam loyalists. They ought to have all been killed in battle, but
when Turkey did not allow our forces to enter from the West though their
country it created a complexity which meant that we could only come at them
from the South. The Iraqi forces would have been crushed with no escape
possible if the original war plans had gone as expected.

Mr. Sherman is a cut and run sort of guy. He is an appeaser and an apologist
for murderers like Sadaam. He is prime UN material. Thank God we not have
his ilk running things in this country.

> The John Kerry of three decades ago (if only he had the same moral courage
> now) was right when he asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last one to
> die for a mistake?"
>
>>>Bush is not worth hating, since he is merely a puppet controlled by the
>>>real powers in the Republican Party. They do not have too much trouble
>>>fooling him into his thinking he is running the show.
>>
>>
>> Nothing but sour grapes. Everyone knows that Bush is his own man. We do
>> not have puppet presidents in this country. There is too much power and
>> prestige invested in the office for that.
>
> It is fun to get Mr. Dolan to say things he really does not believe. That
> is a problem one can have when they support someone like Bush II out of
> partisanship.

President Bush is the right man in the right job at the right time. Kerry
would be ... well, you get the drift I'm sure.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> James S. Prine wrote:
>
>>>They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
>>>killed by the US
>>
>>
>> Cites, please?...
>
> This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
> Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

I see that Mr. Sherman, the pedant, is falling down on the job badly. He
used to look up this stuff for us and present it as a fact. But of course, I
could always dispute his so-called facts, so maybe he has given up on that
particular liberal tactic. Now he can just have his "common historical
knowledge" and I can just have my "common historical knowledge." I will
leave it to the reader as to who has any intelligence and wisdom when it
comes to common historical knowledge.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>Terrorism is your number one problem in Israel. We Americans are so
>>>>stupid that we don't think it could ever happen to us. That is why 9/11
>>>>is so valuable for us - if only we can learn from it....
>>>
>>>We should learn that the US can not have a monopoly on violence. After
>>>bullying much of the world for over a century with either the US military
>>>or US proxies (like the Shah of Iran, or Pinochet in Chile), someone hit
>>>back.
>>
>>
>> Pure left wing propaganda left over from the Cold War.
>
> There is a significant portion of the US population that believes that
> they are the chosen people and therefore have rights, such as using
> violence to impose their will, that other nations do not. Obviously, the
> other nations do not share this view.

This is what is known as setting up a straw man and then knocking him down.
I know of no groups in the US of any consequence who believe they are a
chosen people. Only orthodox Jews believe that.

>>>>Kerry and the liberal Dems obviously still don't have a clue.
>>>>Fortunately, we have Bush for President who knows that the only way to
>>>>deal with terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them.
>>>
>>>Violence breeds more violence, and the arrogant war crimes of the Cheney
>>>/Bush administration in Iraq and the violation of human rights and
>>>international treaties in US jails [1] and concentration camps [2] will
>>>only lead to more anti-US violence. The "War on Terror" [3] will only
>>>breed more hatred of the US, and make innocent US citizens less safe.
>>
>>
>> I guess we all know who this lefty is going to vote for, don't we?
>
>>>>>u'll be very popular in some right wing factions we have here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would be totally right wing if I were an Israeli. There is nothing to
>>>>talk about with suicide bombers. Your Prime Minister is not nearly tough
>>>>enough on the Arab Muslims. I would wage total war on them and forcibly
>>>>expel them into Jordan, their true Palestinian state.
>>>
>>>Why not just kill them all? This was the way the immigrants to the US
>>>dealt with the indigenous population who rightfully owned the land.
>>
>>
>> If it was necessary to kill them all to remove them, I would. But it
>> would not be necessary. The only ones who would want to die are the
>> suicide bombers and other nut cases and there aren't very many of them.
>> Idi Amin expelled all the Indians from Uganda and that was the end of
>> that particular problem for Uganda and for the world. Violence often
>> works when everything else has failed.
>
> If those Indians had viewed Uganda as their ancestral homeland, they would
> not have gone so easily.

They had no choice. It was either leave or be killed - and they knew it was
no idle threat. That is one way to solve a problem

> And all else has not been tried and failed. The US has yet to try a just
> foreign policy in place of the policy of economic exploitation.
>
>> Anyone here but me notice that it is always a liberal who brings up the
>> subject of killing everyone in order to solve a problem. Just like ******
>> and Stalin, two other notorious liberals.
>
> Playing too stupid to recognize a sarcastic rhetorical question, Mr.
> Dolan?

But you have done this more than once. When sarcasm becomes too stupid, it
needs to be confronted.

>>>>>and if u think kerry is bad, at least YOU have a democracy, in our
>>>>>'plant' our prime minister FIRES ministers becouse he didn't get their
>>>>>vote about his descisons, which btw are in complete contrast to his
>>>>>own party line which got him elected in the first place.
>>>>>he plans to evict thousands of jews from their homes even though he
>>>>>throw a pole in his party, commiting to abide by that pole, but even
>>>>>though pole results were DRASTICALLLY against him, the simply ignored
>>>>>it and moved on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You have a democracy in Israel. It is a parliamentary system as opposed
>>>>to a presidential system, so it functions a bit different. The g.d.
>>>>Arabs have still to prove they are even capable of democracy. The recent
>>>>elections in Afghanistan are a good omen and the upcoming elections in
>>>>Iraq will be very important, not just for Iraq, but for the entire
>>>>Middle East.
>>>
>>>Do you mean the highly fraudulent elections in Afghanistan for a
>>>president who will have no real power and would be killed in short order
>>>except for US protection?
>>
>>
>> We have had US troops in Europe and South Korea like forever. They can
>> now take up residence in the Middle East forever if that is what is
>> required. The Roman Empire had it's troops stationed at the frontiers of
>> the Empire for hundreds of years.
>
> But almost no one was attacking the US troops in Europe and South Korea.
> There is a broad based nationalistic occupation resistance in Iraq which
> is growing with every civilian death, every day the US embezzles money
> from Iraqi oil [1], every day basis services are not restored.

Almost no one would ever be attacking the US troops in the Middle East
either once this short term problem is overcome. Most people, even Arabs, do
not want to die for nothing. I do not mind US troops being stationed all
over the world even if there are some being killed from time to time. That
is the cost of being a world power that is insuring the peace of the world.

>>>>I consider Israel to be the only democracy in the Middle East with the
>>>>possible exception of Turkey. Hopefully, that will change soon as a
>>>>result of American interference in the region.
>>>
>>>ROTFLMFAO!!!! The conquest of Iraq will end up no better than the
>>>imposition of the Shah on the Iranian people worked out in the long run.
>>
>>
>> In the long run we are all of us dead and everything under the sun fails.
>> However, in the short run, which is all most of us ever care about, Iraq
>> could prove to be a big success. If it is, it means the end of terrorist
>> groups. That is how you win the War on Terrorism. You take the war to
>> them, not let it come to us.
>
> There were no anti-US terrorists in Iraq until after the US invaded.
> DUH!!!

The terrorists were in the world all over the place. Now they are
concentrated in Iraq which is where we want them to be. It is better to
fight the War on Terrorism there than in the streets of New York City and
Washington D.C. DUH!!!

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>By the way, from personal experience it is possible to have both Jewish
>>>and Muslim friends at the same time as long as they are both reasonable
>>>people (as are the majority of both Jews and Muslims).
>>
>>
>> That may or may not be true here in the US, but I strongly suspect that
>> it is not true in the Middle East. The majority of Muslims are NOT sane
>> and reasonable. They are possessed of a religion of the Devil that
>> believes in Jihad (holy war against the infidel - that's you and me) and
>> they act on it. If they had atomic weapons, they would be using them
>> against us right now....
>
> Remember, Mr. Dolan, that the majority of Muslims are not Arabs and live
> outside the Middle East. Your prejudiced generalizations are making you
> look foolish again.

The Muslim religion is the same everywhere. It is for primitive people who
have yet come into the modern world. Right now the Arab Muslims are the
problem, but that could change rapidly. Muslims are a problem wherever they
are located in the world. They mostly want to kill Christians or Hindus or
anyone else that is not a Muslim. If there is no on else around for them to
kill, then they turn on each other like Sadaam did. A pox on them all!

>> I am not even a Jew and I hate those bastards all the way to hell and
>> back. You would too if you had any brains. But you will only learn to
>> hate them when they are slitting your throat or beheading you. Too late
>> you will get wise.
>
> Mr. Dolan indicates that he is capable of hatred, but not wisdom.

You bet. I hate anyone who is trying to kill me for no reason except for a
****ed-up religion. This, if not the height of wisdom, is the height of good
common sense - something that Mr. Sherman lacks in every area of his life.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"ItsikH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]

I regret to inform: The greatest threat to cyclers in Israel (and to all
> people on the roads in general) is the Israeli driver. This driver will
> stop at nothing and even kill you (literally speaking) for a better
> position in the next traffic light. He (or she) will not atop at a
> traffic light turning red or a stop sign. He (or she) will zig zag
> through traffic and speed on the shoulders (that's where I am). Did you
> know? car accidents kill more Israelis than suicide bombers!

Let me tell you a little story I read in the newspapers many years ago. It
took place in Nigeria which apparently had a big problem with drunken
drivers running down cyclists and pedestrians on the road and killing them.
The people got so fed up with it that they authorized the police to stop
drunken drivers, haul them out of their cars and shoot them dead on the
spot. I believe that is one way the problem in your country of Israel could
handle it too - if and when you get sufficiently fed up with bad drivers.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Slugger]

> I am assuming that you were merely being insulting and facetious - which I
> continue to believe is the case are since you are still not capitalizing the
> personal pronoun I. If and when you do, I will accord you more respect, but
> as long as you continue to defy the conventions of the language, then so
> shall I treat you as you deserve to be treated, i.e., with contempt.

I don't need your respect dolan.

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> avgrin wrote:
>
>>>Mr. Dolan is again having fun expressing morally bankrupt views.
>>>
>>>There are other weapons more powerful than military force. Israel will
>>>soon exhaust the remainder of the Holocaust sympathy and the collective
>>>guilt of the Europeans will die out with the generation born before 1930.
>>>They will become a pariah state the way South Africa was at the end of
>>>the Apartheid Era.
>>
>>
>> By your name it seems that you are of a Caucasian descent, what are
>> your in the USA, the country where natives were practically
>> exterminated; Africans first enslaved and now are still discriminated;
>> women are discriminated as well; Arabs are wrongfully profiled and
>> oppressed? I derive from your argument that the USA should have been
>> a "pariah state" for the last 200 years. Furthermore, all the
>> immigrants Europeans, Africans, and Asians must leave the North
>> America at once. I agree with you wholeheartedly that everyone who
>> thinks like you should move back the country of his or her ancestors'
>> origin ASAP.
>
> Have I ever defended these actions of the US?

Avgrin is showing you how bankrupt (morally and otherwise) your views are.
None of us can reverse history, something you are constantly trying to do.
No one wants to hear about how we Americans took the land of the New World
away from the savages that were originally in possession of it. It is the
same with the Israeli situation. The Arabs lost all their wars to retain
possession of their lands. Now they should either be expelled or killed.
Losing wars have consequences.

>> For Israel it may not work, because there is a strong archeological
>> and historical – the Bible we as literati don't even take into the
>> account – suggest that Jews actually lived in the region before being
>> disseminated first by Babylonians and later by Romans. The only
>> solution for them is to oblige still "sympathetic" Europeans and
>> offended by their very existence Arabs, is to march into the
>> Mediterranean Sea. No, this is not good, it may disrupt marine life
>> and decomposing Jews may endanger survival of some rare Mediterranean
>> Sea creatures. No, no, no it is not fair to Mediterranean Sea
>> ecology. ******'s solution will not work either – to much pollution. Or
>> may be the green movement will make an exception for the Jews,
>> after all?
>
> If we want to argue this, there should be genetic testing of all Israelis
> to determine if they are actually "Children of Israel". Most of them would
> not pass muster.

Totally irrelevant and immaterial.

>>>There is still time to compromise for peace, but it is getting short.
>>
>>
>> What peace? Arabs stated goal is to purge Jews from the region, just
>> like ******'s goal was to purge them from the planet Earth. Arabs if
>> only could would behead every Jew. This is called peace for Jews
>> according to Tom Sherman. Jews accept this generous offer while it is
>> not too late. Thank you, than you very much Tom for giving Jews this
>> last chance. Thank you, thank you, thank you ...
>
> Do the have a manual for creating straw men for deflecting legitimate
> criticism of Israel's illegal and immoral actions?

Avgrin has a firmer fix on what is going to consitute peace in Israel than
you could ever dream of with your outdated and failed liberal views. Mr.
Sherman fancies himself a member of the cloth as well a member of the bar
apparently with all his caterwauling about "illegal and immoral" actions. It
is a sure sign of a scoundrel when they appeal to law and morality in the
conduct of nations. Sadaam would make short work of Mr. Sherman. He would be
in one of those mass graves which he thinks do not exist out there in the
desert lands of Iraq.

> The accusation of being a "Jew hater" for anyone who criticizes radical
> Zionism is wearing thin to the point it makes anyone whom uses it rather
> ridiculous.

Radical Zionism is dead and gone. There is now only the Jewish State of
Israel to consider.

One who is consistently opposed to the state of Israel is in fact a Jew
hater. Mr Sherman sides with the Arabs on every issue and is unable to
appreciate the Israeli point of view on anything. I do charge him with being
a Jew hater. If he wants to charge me with being an Arab Muslim hater, I
will accept that charge and glory in it.

> "If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It
> is normal, we've taken your country. There has been anti-Semitism, the
> Nazis, ******, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one
> thing, we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they
> accept that?" - David Ben-Gurion

Ben-Gurion was a sad old man when he said that. That is why you do not want
old men running things They become addled and weak. I think Reagan was
almost too old to be president, especially for that second term.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Slugger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[Edward Dolan wrote:]

>> I am assuming that you were merely being insulting and facetious - which
>> I
>> continue to believe is the case are since you are still not capitalizing
>> the
>> personal pronoun I. If and when you do, I will accord you more respect,
>> but
>> as long as you continue to defy the conventions of the language, then so
>> shall I treat you as you deserve to be treated, i.e., with contempt.
>
> I don't need your respect dolan [Dolan].

I sometimes wonder if Slugger and others like him (borderline illiterates)
are aware that the whole world potentially is listening in on our little
conversations. He might want to think about earning some respect with these
others who may be reading his messages besides me regardless of what he
might think of me. When I write, I am not writing only to a single person,
but I am very aware that I am writing to a much larger universe. Unlike
Slugger, I have some consideration and respect for those who may be reading
what I am writing.

I am glad to see that I finally got him to top post. But no attribution and
my name should be capitalized of course.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[BentJay]

Ed,

When you're right, you're right. I have to agree with you. Similar
to Charles Schultz' plan to issue every newborn a banjo to promote
happiness, if we could issue suitable recumbents to everyone in the
mideast, maybe everyone would ride instead of fight... They could
even ride with sandals in the hot sun!

BentJay

 

[James S. Prine]

>This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
>Germany invaded Poland in 1939?

No, the 'facts' about the Vietnamese civilians killed during the Vietnam War
were generated primarily by propaganda-happy the Communists...hardly people I'd
base any serious research on.




James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

 

[James S. Prine]

>Such studies of the state of education are regularly published by the
>mainstream media in the US, so this should be common knowledge for
>literate people.

Interesting that you insinuate that those who differ from your prejudices
aren't literate people. The U.S. mainstream media is hardly unbiased. Of
course I've seen on television programs where befuddled U.S. college students
couldn't locate the U.S. on a globe, but to imply that nearly all Americans are
that ignorant is clearly inaccurate.

>I am sure if you look you can find references for such
>studies.

I'm sure if you look, you can find references to a time when aeronautical
engineers still "proved" that the common bumblebee couldn't fly, due to its
weight/lift ratio.

In short, just because it's a 'reference', it doesn't have to be factual.





James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

 

[James S. Prine]

>That is why the French were there, and why the US supported the French
>instead of the Vietnamese nationalists in the late 1940's and 1950's.

Well, that's one interpretation of the facts. There are others.

>The Vietnamese turned to "Communism" as a means of national liberation,
>not from ideology.

You are speaking of course of the North Vietnamese, not the South Vietnamese.

>And even more absent in **** Cheney and George W. Bush, who didn't even
>have the decency to fight in a war they supported.

That's pretty lame. Bush was an excellent fighter pilot, and his commanders
agreed on that. Flying is fighter aircraft is dangerous, no matter where it's
done. When Bush applied to go to Vietnam, there was already a glut of pilots;
he really wasn't needed as a pilot. He accrued more points than he needed to
earn his Honorable Discharge. He signed off on his Form 180, allowing total
access to his military records (something Kerry still hasn't done; the Navy is
withholding 94 PAGES of documents of Kerry's military records, at Kerry's own
request). Bush didn't travel to Paris to meet Communist agents (as did Kerry),
and Bush didn't lie about "earning" Purple Hearts from minor, self-inflicted
wounds.

>Putting a "<g>" after such statements does nothing to make them more
>acceptable.

Of course not. Like most leftists, you sincerely believe that you alone have
the right to belittle others who disagree with you, and you have no sense of
humor whatsoever.


James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

 

[James S. Prine]

>He's not far from the truth, many unfortunatly can't tell you who the
>current VP or the previous VP is/was

Non sequiter; many people don't *care* about VPs, one way or the other <g>.



James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On 18 Oct 2004 16:04:38 GMT, [email protected]othanks (James S. Prine)
wrote:

>the 'facts' about the Vietnamese civilians killed during the Vietnam War
>were generated primarily by propaganda-happy the Communists...hardly people I'd
>base any serious research on.

OTOH the facts about Laotians still losing limbs to ordnance,
overspill from the Vietnam war, come from respected international
charities...

Guy
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[avgrin]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> avgrin wrote:
>
> >>Mr. Dolan is again having fun expressing morally bankrupt views.
> >>
> >>There are other weapons more powerful than military force. Israel will
> >>soon exhaust the remainder of the Holocaust sympathy and the collective
> >>guilt of the Europeans will die out with the generation born before
> >>1930. They will become a pariah state the way South Africa was at the
> >>end of the Apartheid Era.
> >
> >
> > By your name it seems that you are of a Caucasian descent, what are
> > your in the USA, the country where natives were practically
> > exterminated; Africans first enslaved and now are still discriminated;
> > women are discriminated as well; Arabs are wrongfully profiled and
> > oppressed? I derive from your argument that the USA should have been
> > a "pariah state" for the last 200 years. Furthermore, all the
> > immigrants Europeans, Africans, and Asians must leave the North
> > America at once. I agree with you wholeheartedly that everyone who
> > thinks like you should move back the country of his or her ancestors'
> > origin ASAP.
>
> Have I ever defended these actions of the US?

I don't suggest that you ever defended those actions, I suggest that
it is appropriate for people of your high moral principals in North
America to strike the same peace with the North American Indians as
Arabs want with Israel --jump into the body of water from which your
ancestors arrived: Europeans and Africans into the Atlantic, Asian to
the Pacific, mixed races into the Lake Michigan.
>
> > For Israel it may not work, because there is a strong archeological
> > and historical – the Bible we as literati don't even take into the
> > account – suggest that Jews actually lived in the region before being
> > disseminated first by Babylonians and later by Romans. The only
> > solution for them is to oblige still "sympathetic" Europeans and
> > offended by their very existence Arabs, is to march into the
> > Mediterranean Sea. No, this is not good, it may disrupt marine life
> > and decomposing Jews may endanger survival of some rare Mediterranean
> > Sea creatures. No, no, no it is not fair to Mediterranean Sea
> > ecology. ******'s solution will not work either – to much pollution.
> > Or may be the green movement will make an exception for the Jews,
> > after all?
>
> If we want to argue this, there should be genetic testing of all
> Israelis to determine if they are actually "Children of Israel". Most of
> them would not pass muster.

Firstly, despite constant prosecution many Jewish families have been
living in Israel for the last 2500 years.
Secondly, we are now armed with DNA -- should we use it? it is to
logical -- that can easily determine who are children of Israel.
Currently there is a DNA test that conclusively determines who are
descendent of Aaron the High Priest during the time of Exodus from
Egypt.
Thirdly, one can call in some Europeans and Arabs who can detect Jew
from far away. This is undeniable fact, otherwise how did nazis know
whom to gas, whose skin use for lamp shades, and Arabs whom to behead.

>
> >>There is still time to compromise for peace, but it is getting short.
> >
> >
> > What peace? Arabs stated goal is to purge Jews from the region, just
> > like ******'s goal was to purge them from the planet Earth. Arabs if
> > only could would behead every Jew. This is called peace for Jews
> > according to Tom Sherman. Jews accept this generous offer while it is
> > not too late. Thank you, than you very much Tom for giving Jews this
> > last chance. Thank you, thank you, thank you ...
>
> Do the have a manual for creating straw men for deflecting legitimate
> criticism of Israel's illegal and immoral actions?

What are the illegal and immoral actions?
>
> The accusation of being a "Jew hater" for anyone who criticizes radical
> Zionism is wearing thin to the point it makes anyone whom uses it rather
> ridiculous.

Zionism doesn't represent many Jews. Zionist leader Hertzl was ready
to accept a Jewish state in Uganda, he wanted it to a state for
enlightened Jews -- no religious lunatics, no farmers, shoemakers,
water carriers, etc; only educated literati from the cafés in Vienna
and Paris.

It is easy to be a Jew "lover" like you because Jews don't gas anyone,
don't behead anyone they just try to reason. You are safe Tom.

>
> "If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel.
> It is normal, we've taken your country. There has been anti-Semitism,
> the Nazis, ******, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one
> thing, we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they
> accept that?" - David Ben-Gurion

This was not Ben-Gurion’s opinion; he just expressed Arabs view of the
conflict. There were numerous massacres and pogroms of Jews in Arab
lands and most notably in Israel.

 

[Edward Dolan]

"BentJay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> When you're right, you're right. I have to agree with you. Similar
> to Charles Schultz' plan to issue every newborn a banjo to promote
> happiness, if we could issue suitable recumbents to everyone in the
> mideast, maybe everyone would ride instead of fight... They could
> even ride with sandals in the hot sun!
>
> BentJay

The sandals remain a bad idea as you would burn your tootsies in that hot
Middle Eastern sun. I wear long pants when I cycle on my recumbents in the
sun because I once burned my legs so bad I just about ended up in the
hospital. I also wear long sleeve jerseys for the same reason. Prolonged
exposure to the sun will give me nothing but skin cancer. We of Irish
ancestry (a land where the sun never shines) do not tan well; instead we
burn and get skin cancer. I will take a pass on the sun and those g.d.
sandals.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"avgrin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> I don't suggest that you ever defended those actions, I suggest that
> it is appropriate for people of your high moral principals in North
> America to strike the same peace with the North American Indians as
> Arabs want with Israel --jump into the body of water from which your
> ancestors arrived: Europeans and Africans into the Atlantic, Asian to
> the Pacific, mixed races into the Lake Michigan.

Touché Avgrin! Mr. Sherman, like many other liberals, seems to have a bad
conscience about one people replacing another people via conquest. Yet, that
is mostly all the history books are full of. It has been ever thus and all
the caterwauling by liberals, a truly despicable species of humanity, will
not ever change the way we humans supplant one another on this planet. Wars
matter, damn it -and that is a very good reason for not losing them.
[...]

> It is easy to be a Jew "lover" like you because Jews don't gas anyone,
> don't behead anyone they just try to reason. You are safe Tom.

Mr. Sherman equates the Israeli Defense Force with the Palestinian terrorist
suicide bombers and the Israeli government with the Palestinian Authority.
That is why he is a crazy fool and I refuse to take him seriously on the
subject of the Middle East. That is also why I call him a Jew hater. He is a
liberal ideologue and cannot think straight about anything. He has been
propagandized and brain washed, probably from his earliest youth when he
went off to college and fell into the clutches of pro-labor student groups.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota