just saw an accident.

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  1. Dene Wilby

    Dene Wilby Guest

    Hi,

    can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just pulling
    away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw a body
    fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up the bus
    driver was already off the bus and making a call on his phone and about 10 people were crowding
    around. I know no first aid watsoever so just got back on my bike and started cycling. Trouble is,
    the young lad who looked in his late teens was lying lifeless on his back with lots of blood on the
    road from the back of his head. I don't think the bus was going at a great speed and it hadn't
    actually run over the lad, he was lying directly in front of the bus.

    I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could mean
    there would be large amounts of blood.

    I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic it
    made me quite scared to be out there

    I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.

    Dene
     
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  2. Tony Hogarty

    Tony Hogarty Guest

    Dene Wilby wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just
    > pulling away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw
    > a body fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up
    > the bus driver was already off the bus and making a call on his phone and about 10 people were
    > crowding around. I know no first aid watsoever so just got back on my bike and started cycling.
    > Trouble is, the young lad who looked in his late teens was lying lifeless on his back with lots of
    > blood on the road from the back of his head. I don't think the bus was going at a great speed and
    > it hadn't actually run over the lad, he was lying directly in front of the bus.
    >
    > I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    > necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could
    > mean there would be large amounts of blood.
    >
    > I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic
    > it made me quite scared to be out there
    >
    > I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    > into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.
    >
    > Dene

    Head wounds always bleed a lot so it may not be as bad as it looks at first sight.
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    Regards Tony Hogarty
     
  3. > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just
    > pulling away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw
    > a body fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up
    > the bus driver was already off the bus and making a call on his phone and about 10 people were
    > crowding around. I know no first aid watsoever so just got back on my bike and started cycling.
    > Trouble is, the young lad who looked in his late teens was lying lifeless on his back with lots of
    > blood on the road from the back of his head. I don't think the bus was going at a great speed and
    > it hadn't actually run over the lad, he was lying directly in front of the bus.
    >
    > I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    > necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could
    > mean there would be large amounts of blood.
    >
    > I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic
    > it made me quite scared to be out there
    >
    > I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    > into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.

    Head injuries cause loads of blood - lots and lots and lots. Almost ridiculous amounts. Bleeding is
    no problem - he'd be in hospital ages and ages before it would become a problem, and even then
    they'd just pour a load more back in. You did the right thing carrying on - if there's bugger all
    you can doo there's no point getting in peoples way. Good one starting to phone the ambulance tho -
    it's you'd be amazed at the amount of people that just stand and stare.

    Perhaps this is the time to go for a bit of first aid training. An evening is all it takes and a
    basic course will probably be free - ask St. Johns ambulance/Red Cross - if they do charge the
    money'll go to a good cause anyway!

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  4. > Head injuries cause loads of blood - lots and lots and lots. Almost
    ridiculous
    > amounts. Bleeding is no problem - he'd be in hospital ages and ages before it would become a
    > problem, and even then they'd just pour a load more back in.
    You
    > did the right thing carrying on - if there's bugger all you can doo there's no point getting in
    > peoples way. Good one starting to phone the ambulance tho - it's you'd be amazed at the amount of
    > people that just stand and stare.

    It's a sad indictment of my reading skills that I'd proof read that lot before I posted it.

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  5. On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:21:46 +0000 (UTC), Dene Wilby
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Hi,
    >
    >can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just pulling
    >away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw a body
    >fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up the bus
    >driver was already off the bus and making a call on his phone and about 10 people were crowding
    >around. I know no first aid watsoever so just got back on my bike and started cycling. Trouble is,
    >the young lad who looked in his late teens was lying lifeless on his back with lots of blood on the
    >road from the back of his head. I don't think the bus was going at a great speed and it hadn't
    >actually run over the lad, he was lying directly in front of the bus.
    >
    >I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    >necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could
    >mean there would be large amounts of blood.
    >
    >I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic it
    >made me quite scared to be out there
    >
    >I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    >into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.
    >
    >Dene

    As other posters have said, blood in its own right is nothing to get overly worried about. I'm not
    sure the same reassurances can really be offered regarding what the effects might be of getting
    hit by a bus.

    If you are feeling civically virtuous you ought to contact the police and let them know you
    witnessed it.

    As someone else has pointed out, might be worth getting first aid trained. Having someone on the
    scene when things like this happen can make a real difference. In most cases the difference is
    likely to be someone purely having the confidence to 'manage' the incident and *not* do certain
    things while ensuring the pros are summoned and directed pdq.
     
  6. Elyob

    Elyob Guest

    "Dene Wilby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi,
    >
    > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just
    > pulling away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw
    > a body fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up
    > the bus driver was already off the bus and making a call on his phone and about 10 people were
    > crowding around. I know no first aid watsoever so just got back on my bike and started cycling.
    > Trouble is, the young lad who looked in his late teens was lying lifeless on his back with lots of
    > blood on the road from the back of his head. I don't think the bus was going at a great speed and
    > it hadn't actually run over the lad, he was lying directly in front of the bus.
    >
    > I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    > necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could
    > mean there would be large amounts of blood.
    >
    > I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic
    > it made me quite scared to be out there
    >
    > I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    > into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.
    >
    > Dene

    If you can give any witness accounts to the police, then do so too. Otherwise, as already mentioned,
    you did the right thing. Reminds me to do a first aid course too.
     
  7. Mseries

    Mseries Guest

    Dene Wilby wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up.

    It doesn't half shake one up doesn't it. I arrived at the scene of RTA in Bradford a few weeks ago,
    a young cyclist had been hit by a car, he was sitting up with a blanket around his legs with several
    other motorists in attendence.

    Regarding the blood, one of my earliest memories of my childhood was being hit by a car, a Morris
    Traveller actually, green & wood, I was OK, got a scare still, 35 years later but you should have
    seen the blood !
     
  8. Dene Wilby

    Dene Wilby Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > Dene Wilby wrote:
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up.

    Thanks guys for putting my mind at rest somewhat. Just checked the local teletext news and
    nothing so hopefully he's OK. Terrible sound though of the brakes and thud noise, would hate to
    see that again.

    As for witnessing, I was cycling behind the bus and didn't really see that much, there are a lot of
    people around there who must have seen the impact (it was 5:30pm). Thing is, I left work, shut the
    door and locked up and realised i'd left my trip computer inside, so went back inside. would have
    missed the whole thing if I hadn't :-(

    On a lighter note, these dry days we are having have enabled me to get the road bike out for the
    first time since October and it feels great. 4 months of rain and the mountain bike will soon be a
    distant memory as we head for a fabulous spring/summer (hopefully)

    OK, thanks again,

    Dene
     
  9. Johnb

    Johnb Guest

    Dene Wilby wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up. I was just
    > pulling away from work on my bike and saw the bus in front of me brake and there was a thud, I saw
    > a body fall to the ground. I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile.
    >
    > I cannot even remember my 10 mile ride home, it was a blur and I was so conscious of the traffic
    > it made me quite scared to be out there
    >
    > I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this but I know many of you have done research
    > into head injuries by all the helmet threads that go on.

    Nothing to do with helmets. So long as you phoned 999 your conscience will be clear. You did,
    didn't you.

    John B
     
  10. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    Dene Wilby <[email protected]> writes:

    > I have never seen anything like that and I just wanted someone to assure me that that doesn't
    > necessarily mean it was a fatal accident and that if you cut your head open in such a way could
    > mean there would be large amounts of blood.

    Scalp wounds, even small ones, bleed copiously. There are a lot of blood vessels just under your
    scalp - that's why you lose so much heat through your head in cold weather.

    Of course, this doesn't mean it was a trivial injury. But lots of blood does not necessarily mean a
    fatal one, either.

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    ;; in faecibus sapiens rheum propagabit
     
  11. David Hansen

    David Hansen Guest

    On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:51:45 -0000 someone who may be "Tony Raven"
    <[email protected]> wrote this:-

    >I can tell you a little blood goes an unbelievably long way.

    Yes. What looks like an axe murder can turn out to be fairly minor. A few thimbles worth of blood
    spread out in an amazing fashion and can often look far worse than they are. Human bodies are
    remarkably tough in many ways, though obviously I have no idea about this incident.

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  12. James Hodson

    James Hodson Guest

    On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:28:07 +0000, Tony Hogarty
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Head wounds always bleed a lot so it may not be as bad as it looks at first sight.

    Too right, Tony

    Many years I was lifted my bonnet (Missus!) with the intention of checking my lubricants (also
    Missus). I hit my forehead on the clip that held the hood in place. The result was blood, blood and
    more blood all over the place.

    Fortunately, no serious damage was done; but there was one helluva mess.

    James
     
  13. Tim Hall

    Tim Hall Guest

    On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:51:45 -0000, "Tony Raven"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I can't reassure you on how bad it might actually be but I can tell you a little blood goes an
    >unbelievably long way.

    Get a pint of milk. Drop it on the kitchen floor. That's a big mess, right? You can lose that amount
    of blood no problem - how else would blood donating work?

    > A period of unconciousness would not be unusual either. Just have to keep your fingers crossed
    > that it turns out OK.
    >

    Wot 'e sed.

    Tim
     
  14. Elyob

    Elyob Guest

    "Dene Wilby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > >
    > > > can someone please put my mind at rest on this because it's really shaken me up.
    >
    > Thanks guys for putting my mind at rest somewhat.

    If you call the police and offer yourself as a potential witness, you may then may find out what the
    outcome was. Personally, I would like to just take the view that he was probably okay, and get on a
    first aid course ASAP. Not sure that a first aid course can do a lot in a cycle/motor accident
    except for not moving the cyclist, clearing the airway and stemming any flow of claret.

    Am looking into courses in my area right now (I said I'd do this last summer too).

    Having just started my commute I have had one major moment (day two), and I'm an experienced urban
    cyclist IMO. However I did not realise that the car would go so far to the wrong side of the road to
    'jump the traffic', and that's with 35W of lumicycle coming up on the outside. Glad to be on a
    bicycle than a motorcycle as it meant I could really manouveur.

    I do listen to a radio on my nearside plughole, and know it's a risk, but it's just too fun
    listening to all the traffic jams in my area. :) The carjacking on Kingston bridge on Tuesday made
    my cycle a joy. I past 100 cars down one main road alone.
     
  15. Elyob

    Elyob Guest

    "David Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:51:45 -0000 someone who may be "Tony Raven" <[email protected]>
    > wrote this:-
    >
    > >I can tell you a little blood goes an unbelievably long way.
    >
    > Yes. What looks like an axe murder can turn out to be fairly minor. A few thimbles worth of blood
    > spread out in an amazing fashion and can often look far worse than they are. Human bodies are
    > remarkably tough in many ways, though obviously I have no idea about this incident.
    >

    Last time I cut my head I just dumped the towel that had been used to keep the pressure on. It was
    bloodsoaked, and I just needed 5 stitches ... and a haircut. I was out for a few seconds as well.
    The fact that he wasn't moving was probably advice from everyone around. "Don't move until the
    ambulance arrives." Good advice. Also "don't remove any helmet unless absolutely neccesary."
     
  16. paradox

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    damn i hate when things like that happens. =( poor lad.. hop he's gonna be fine
     
  17. Jack Ouzzi

    Jack Ouzzi Guest

    On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:39:02 +0000, "[Not Responding]"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:21:46 +0000 (UTC), Dene Wilby <[email protected]> wrote:

    >As other posters have said, blood in its own right is nothing to get overly worried about. I'm not
    >sure the same reassurances can really be offered regarding what the effects might be of getting hit
    >by a bus.
    >

    Of all the vehicles to pick, buses are not the best ............ big, heavy, and low to the
    roadway !!

    >
    >As someone else has pointed out, might be worth getting first aid trained. Having someone on the
    >scene when things like this happen can make a real difference. In most cases the difference is
    >likely to be someone purely having the confidence to 'manage' the incident and *not* do certain
    >things while ensuring the pros are summoned and directed pdq.

    Trouble is of course in this stupid litigious world we live in, if you do have to put someone into
    the recovery position to obviously save life, but in doing so aggravate a spinal injury, with its
    possible consequences, you leave yourself wide open to being sued!!! It's happened ..............

    I do appreciate there are 'other ways' to you 'trained medical persons out there, but the above is
    just an example !!!

    Better off just to manage the scene as 'not responding' suggests

    Sad but very true .............
     
  18. > Nothing to do with helmets. So long as you phoned 999 your conscience will be clear. You did,
    > didn't you.

    "I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up the bus driver was already
    off the bus and making a call"

    Two calls don't get the ambulance there any quicker!

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  19. > you leave yourself wide open to being sued!!! It's happened ..............

    AFAIK it hasn't happened in this country yet, but then I was told that several years ago! I was told
    it has happened in America - has it come over here too?

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  20. Johnb

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    Mark Thompson wrote:
    >
    > > Nothing to do with helmets. So long as you phoned 999 your conscience will be clear. You did,
    > > didn't you.
    >
    > "I carried on cycling and reached for my mobile. By the time I pulled up the bus driver was
    > already off the bus and making a call"
    >
    > Two calls don't get the ambulance there any quicker!

    So long as you knew he was calling the ambulance rather than his solicitor or wife.

    Two calls to the ambulance are better than none.

    John B
     
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