Kiddy Trailers

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  1. LotteBum

    LotteBum New Member

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    All Danish people know about those. They're wicked, aren't they?

    Car.... blergh. That's what I'd like to avoid.

    That can't be right. Kids don't walk to school these days ;-)

    Hadn't thought of bearings.... definitely something to keep in mind. Your wife sounds like a hard core chick. I like it.

    LH
     


  2. ghostgum

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    I'm not sure "hard core chick" is the right description. More appropriate would be "As cheap as I am". Why drive a car and turn in a fat slob, when you can walk instead and get the exercise while you travel, for only a little extra time? Why drive 4km to the gym to sit on a excercise bike when you can ride there? We've always made do with one car, and if we need to go separate directions then you either ride or ask for a lift from someone else. My wife also rode 4km to work for about 3 years (definitely not the norm amongst her colleagues), including until she was about 6 months pregnant.

    My wife was commenting last night about the children who walk to school. The stereotype seems to be that Chinese kids get driven to school, and the Indian kids walk to school with their family, then the mothers continue
    their social walk afterwards. We are in the white ethnic minority.

    Are you allowed to attach a kiddie trailer to a scooter? :)
     
  3. On Sep 11, 12:09 pm, ghostgum <ghos[email protected]
    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
    > Are you allowed to attach a kiddie trailer to a scooter? :)


    You could probably attach a registered motorcycle trailer provided the
    scooter was large enough and the trailer was small enough. Of course
    then you couldn't transport humans in it :)
     
  4. LotteBum

    LotteBum New Member

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    That's pretty cool. My mum rode 10km each way until the Friday before she had me (I was born on a Sunday), and this was in December, when it's frigging cold over there. I plan to ride for as long as I can. I'm only 14 weeks now, so obviously I'm not at all uncomfortable, but I'll see how I go. I'm not sure how easy it is on a road bike...?

    Trust me, I would if it was legal! Nah, Paulie inherits the red rocket next year, and I'll take over the Corolla. Might buy a Prado though - I hear they're useful when you have kids.

    LH
     
  5. LotteBum wrote:
    >
    > Theo Bekkers Wrote:
    > > It was the standard method of travel when I was a kid in Holland. I
    > > remember going on family outings to my great uncle Frans place, where
    > > us kids would climb up the huge cherry tree and eat cherries all day.
    > > Dad with the twin girls, one seat on the crossbar and another on the
    > > back. Mum the same with the twin boys, except for the crossbar. My
    > > older brother with my younger brother on the back, and my sister and I
    > > on our own bikes. My older brother was 12, older sister 9, I 7, younger
    > > brother 6, twin girls 3 1/2, twin boys
    > > 18 months. This was the only way we ever travelled, no heros, no medals
    > > needed.

    > That's awesome! Way to go Team Bekkers!
    >
    > --
    > LotteBum


    Back in Ancient Times during the 1950s when I was a youngster, the idea
    of my mum or my father pedling around
    Sydney Roads with child trailers behind push bikes would have been
    utterly impractical and
    entirely irresponsible because of the dangers of riding on the crowded
    narrow roads.

    I lived about 17km away from the fabulous Sydney beaches where my
    sisters and I were taken on many weekends
    but most certainly not by means of bicycles. The round trip would have
    been utterly exhausting
    and dangerous due to large hills and steep descents, and the bloody
    traffic.
    From an early age we walked a mile to primary schools, then later caught
    buses.
    I cannot recall a single student riding a bike to school in the 11 years
    at St Leo's.
    But a couple of kids who were sons of Dutch immigrants and a couple of
    Italians were interested in bikes,
    and raced on weekends, and at 15 or 17, I used my earned pocket money to
    buy a second hand beat up
    old push bike which I gradually restored,
    and unlike most of the rest of my car driving peer group I rode to the
    beach and back quite often,
    or rode to Gosford and back with the Dutch Comrades, who I found to be
    brilliant company.
    The two Dutch guys were utter dunces in class, except that their picture
    painting efforts were excellent, but despite their
    dismal marks elsewhere they were quite successful after leaving school,
    showing much more panache than most aussie kids.
    But once I completed school, and work and night school study began, I
    ceased cycling completely, and got around only by
    motorcycle, which allowed me time to travel all around Sydney and for
    work, study and to socialise
    without turning up exhausted in a lather of sweat. I refused to buy a
    car, or marry the dopey sheila living next door.
    It was expected that i do that asap, but I let them all down.
    Mum and Dad most certainly did not have the time, inclination, or
    capabilities for cycle travel it seemed.
    And nor did I, in all my 20s, and half my 30s.

    When young we always went around by car, and usually in a Morris Oxford,
    or a Willy's Jeep stationwagon.
    My dad was a vet, always rushed off his feet, and also a local alderman,
    and never cycled anywhere
    while I knew him. ( But he cycled in his youth, riding to Cairns and
    back to Sydney in 1927.)
    My grandma and a great aunt lived with us, and they sure were never to
    ever turn a crank with a foot.
    There were hardly any cars on the road in '27, but by '55, Sydney's
    roads were already choked.
    Road widening and re-building has never kept pace with car ownership and
    use.
    There were no cycle paths. My mum rode a lot in her youth, but only on
    horses in Centennial Park,
    as she enjoyed life in Paddington with its airs and graces methinks. She
    just wasn't even slightly
    ever interested in bicycles, like about 90% of those around her. My
    sisters never rode anything
    that wasn't a horse or at least a moped. Providing leg power just wasn't
    on!

    Here in Canberra, a network of cycle paths allows ppl to cycle if they
    want to
    without any fear of being run over by motorists.
    The hills tend to be gentle and short compared to many other places,
    and if ones life expecations do not include being a busy professional
    person,
    or living expensively in a bigger city like Sydney, then a humble simple
    life
    of frugality in a cycle friendly town may suit some folks exceedingly
    well.
    I own a small car though, and use it constantly for shopping and its a
    luxury I allow myself
    even while on very low wages. The $1,400 per annun to run a 1986 Ford
    Laser seems good value to me,
    as well as the cost of the cycling, maybe $500 per annum in costs, and
    $1,000 in time spent cycling and cost of
    earning during that time. The bicycle could provide all my travel needs,
    but I like the diversity of operation,
    and don't much like riding into town when its -10C on winter evenings to
    play chess.

    The idea of borrowing money to buy a new car seems utterly wasteful, and
    I never ever have.
    the depreciation on a new car is a waste. But I did once buy a brand new
    utility for my building work.
    22 years later I got a very nice price of $4,000 for this Holden One
    Tonner.
    It was impossible for me to be a working tradesman without a motor
    vehicle.

    I did such a fine job of buying and renovating my house in distant past
    years that I don't need the huge income
    or time to now maintain what I own. Other folks seem to need to work a
    lot more than i do.
    Young folks buying their own house now are having to pay much more in
    real terms than I did,
    and so often their work schedules don't permit the time to cycling with
    kids in tow
    as a priniciple means of transport. There is only so much money anyone
    can save by refusing to buy a car.
    Judging by my own economics of the issue, it really isn't much of a
    saving, a couple of grand a year at most
    if one can settle for a cheap to run small four cylinder car.
    I chose the building trade as my trade because I knew one of the biggest
    purchases I'd ever make
    would be to buy a house and land. I came easily to the idea of being a
    settled down person,
    and this boring dull attitude saves me a huge amount because I don't pay
    rent.
    Being a builder meant I could buy a tiny run down house
    cheaply, and invest my time and skills directly to rebuild it without
    paying profits to another builder to house me,
    and have to earn high wages to pay that builder, and pay tax on top of
    all that.
    So I managed easily to provide a very adequate house with moderate
    luxuries of two bathrooms and an inground pool
    all paid for by age 37, and all without the help of any "partner", as a
    wife is called these days.
    The point I make is that ones life decisions and choices have a large
    effect on how you
    get on later in life, and the more you avoid the larger massive expenses
    of housing by being
    self reliant, the better. If you have any time left over to avoid
    motoring costs by cycling,
    its an additional winfall.

    I don't need a wealthy lifestyle, do not have to do parenting duties and
    chores so i can spend a wednesday and sunday
    on a bicycle for 4 hours each day and then rest up.
    I don't even bother to ride the 1km to the local shop to shop, where
    each bag of groceries is $20 average,
    and heavy, because there are no packaged "Fake Supermarket Food
    Products" within.
    Three times a week it seems a weight of vegetable expense is difficult
    to avoid. The land I own combined with the
    local climate prevents me growing my own food.

    Compared to many, I'm bone lazy and quite inconsistant, but I couldn't
    care less; my greenhouse footprint on This PLanet
    is tiny compared to busy people whose average weekly earnings are 7
    times my earnings, and spend every darn thing i don't want or need
    and it all ends up CO2. Most ppl today cannot be frugal and happy, or
    even just happy.

    Relying on buses to get around Canberra would mean long waits especially
    on weekends,
    and a car makes sense to me, and I don't like riding when its wet.

    But overall, I've always found it cheaper to live in Canberra than
    living in Sydney.
    I have come to terms that Canberra is viewed by those living elsewhere
    that is THE MOST BORING PLACE ON EARTH.
    Hmm, sounds wonderful to me, no bugger takin a quid off me each time I
    do anything at all.
    Beautiful dull boring empty country scenery is only 5 minutes away by
    bicycle. No seeemingly endless tracts
    of deprssing urban landscapes.
    I sure don't miss the Sydney beaches, and I don't need a pretentious
    McMansion.
    People who say Canberra is boring are usually very boring themselves,
    and have less ability to be self sufficient.
    For those defiant and rebellious enough to reject the peer group imposed
    straightjacket like conformity
    of being addicted to cars and wealthy pretense more than I do, they sure
    can do it well in Canberra, and only have a bicycle for
    all their family travel. For such healthy rebellions, I'd hand out
    medals if I could, but alas I have not
    quite the right relationship with people running The Mint.

    Patrick Turner.
     
  6. Graeme Dods

    Graeme Dods Guest

    On Sep 11, 8:52 am, "Theo Bekkers" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > After the first trimester the nauseousness passes,


    My wife would definitely take issue with that statement, as would many
    others I've spoken to recently. With our recent addition (now 6 weeks
    old) my wife was puking up at all times of the day ("morning"
    sickness? HA!) from within a few days of conception to the day of
    delivery. In fact, the anaesthetist was kept busy holding a bowl for
    her to puke in during the delivery.

    But to bring it back on topic, our daughter's first present for her
    big brother was a brand new bicycle! :)

    Graeme
     
  7. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    Theo Bekkers wrote:

    >>Yes. Contrary to popular belief, I am not a virgin.

    >
    >
    > <applause> Great response Lotte.


    Sex traitor. You haven't enquired whether the sperm donor survived the
    encounter {:).
     
  8. On Sep 11, 12:19 pm, LotteBum <[email protected]
    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
    >
    >Might buy a Prado


    Sacrilege!!
     
  9. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    Dave wrote:
    > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:16:11 +1000, LotteBum wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Does anyone have any advice regarding this?

    >
    >
    > I think we were using a standard style trailer from around 9 months,
    > though very carefully. The problem is that the kids are quite upright, so
    > need to have pretty good neck muscles. That doesn't come until 9-12 months
    > for most kids.
    >
    > Ideally it'd be possible to get something where a car style capsule would
    > clip in, preferably with some kind of roll cage just in case.


    Are you saying this is what you'd need (car capsule) for a less than
    9-12 months baby?

    My understanding is that the capsule stops the head rockig around.


    > I haven't seen anything like that around.


    That was why I suggested mounting a capsule in a standard two wheel
    bicycle trailer on multiple layers of foam.
     
  10. Duracell Bunny

    Duracell Bunny New Member

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    Now that you mention it, we haven't seen a post from Paulie for at least 3 months :eek:

    DB
     
  11. LotteBum

    LotteBum New Member

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    Not to worry - Paulie is ok. I need him around to finance my retirement and to fill the Prado. We've just been busy renovating the sh!tbox house in time for Peanut's arrival.

    LH
     
  12. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    LotteBum wrote:

    > Thanks for the links - hadn't seen the Burley one as yet and they look
    > quite good.
    >
    > I think that once the Peanut is too old for the trailer, maybe I can
    > put my dog(s) in - they'll be old and frail by then. And hopefully
    > capable of sitting still.


    With this in mind, log into tribe.net and go to the bicycle touring
    discussion area(tribe) and read the excellent reply by Sass to the post
    on taking your dog bicycle touring. the information on adapting a
    bicycle trailer to dogs is excellent (aka she has done it and learnt
    from it).
     
  13. LotteBum

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    Wow, I do consider myself lucky then. So far, everything has been very text book (except for the conception), including what I could have sworn was Peanut flipping us the bird at the first scan last Thursday. That was when it hit home, that this poor foetus really is a Paulie-Lotte cross.

    Lotte
     
  14. Bugbear

    Bugbear Guest

  15. In aus.bicycle on Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:19:04 +1000
    LotteBum <[email protected]> wrote:
    > it's frigging cold over there. I plan to ride for as long as I can. I'm
    > only 14 weeks now, so obviously I'm not at all uncomfortable, but I'll
    > see how I go. I'm not sure how easy it is on a road bike...?


    You need a recumbent you do! Nice back support.

    Zebee
     
  16. Graeme Dods

    Graeme Dods Guest

    On Sep 11, 10:44 am, LotteBum <[email protected]
    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
    > Wow, I do consider myself lucky then. So far, everything has been very
    > text book (except for the conception), including what I could have sworn
    > was Peanut flipping us the bird at the first scan last Thursday.


    On Isabella's first scan where she was recognisable as a baby my wife
    was yabbering away nervously to the doctor. Isabella had clearly had
    enough of the noise and could be seen on the scan waving her arms
    around until her hands covered her ears. She takes after me! :)

    Graeme
     
  17. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    Patrick Turner wrote:

    > Here in Canberra, a network of cycle paths allows ppl to cycle if they
    > want to without any fear of being run over by motorists.



    > $1,000 in time spent cycling

    What a load of stupidity.


    > and don't much like riding into town when its -10C on winter evenings to
    > play chess.


    You would probably be better at it.

    > I don't need a wealthy lifestyle, do not have to do parenting duties and
    > chores so i can spend a wednesday and sunday
    > on a bicycle for 4 hours each day and then rest up.


    Yawn, what a load of bullshit. If you are any good as a builder, then
    you could easily whip up a small bicycle trailer to carry your shopping.

    > I don't even bother to ride the 1km to the local shop to shop, where
    > each bag of groceries is $20 average, and heavy, because there are no
    > packaged "Fake Supermarket Food Products" within.


    So you are just another fat arse?


    > Three times a week it seems a weight of vegetable expense is difficult
    > to avoid. The land I own combined with the
    > local climate prevents me growing my own food.


    Yawn. you really do need to exercise your brain more. Perhaps if you
    pumped some of your hot air into a hot house, you would be pleasently
    surprised.

    Oh, you might like to read Desiderata. It has something about comparing
    oneself to others.
     
  18. Graeme Dods

    Graeme Dods Guest

    On Sep 11, 10:44 am, LotteBum <[email protected]
    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
    >
    > Wow, I do consider myself lucky then. So far, everything has been very
    > text book (except for the conception)


    I don't know, depends on which section of the library you're browsing.
    There are some very unusual text books out there!

    Graeme
     
  19. LotteBum

    LotteBum New Member

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    That reminds me of the pregnancy book Paulie's mum got us. It's very focused on getting you in the bedroom - almost to the point of wanting you to shag like the clappers during labour.

    LH
     
  20. Liz

    Liz Guest

    "Terryc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Dave wrote:
    >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:16:11 +1000, LotteBum wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Does anyone have any advice regarding this?

    >>
    >>
    >> I think we were using a standard style trailer from around 9 months,
    >> though very carefully. The problem is that the kids are quite upright, so
    >> need to have pretty good neck muscles. That doesn't come until 9-12
    >> months
    >> for most kids.
    >>
    >> Ideally it'd be possible to get something where a car style capsule would
    >> clip in, preferably with some kind of roll cage just in case.

    >
    > Are you saying this is what you'd need (car capsule) for a less than 9-12
    > months baby?
    >
    > My understanding is that the capsule stops the head rockig around.
    >
    >
    >> I haven't seen anything like that around.

    >
    > That was why I suggested mounting a capsule in a standard two wheel
    > bicycle trailer on multiple layers of foam.


    I never did this myself (bought a front-mounted child seat when Louka was 12
    months instead) but a woman who lives around Chatswood, Sydney, used to
    carry her babes around in a capsule in a trailer from when they were very
    young. She said she didn't know if it was legal, but it worked for her. I
    never asked her how she mounted the capsule though.

    Liz
     
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