Kivilev dies

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  1. Robert Chung

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    French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
     
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  3. Ronald

    Ronald Guest

    It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
    http://195.146.194.200/francais/equipe2002/coureur1.asp?coureur_id=78

    Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
    the front of the skull and braintrauma which let to a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet
    at the time.

    "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
     
  4. Robert Chung

    Robert Chung Guest

    "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote
    > > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    >
    > Cyclingnews also has the story: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/mar03/mar12news2

    From French Eurosport:
    http://www.eurosport.fr/home/pages/V3/L3/S18/sport_Lng3_Spo18_Sto405994.shtm l

    My rough translation: A terrible leaden mantle has come over Paris-Nice. Andrei Kivilev, victim of a
    fall during the 2nd stage, died Wednesday morning in the hospital in St. Etienne. Fourth in the Tour
    de France in 2001, Cofidis' Kazakh climber was 29 years old.

    In St. Chamond, 40 km from the end of the stage in St. Etienne, he fell along with two other riders,
    his teammate Marek Rutkiewicz and Volker Ordowshi, who were not seriously injured. Kivilev fell face
    down and fell immediately into a coma.

    Hospitalized at first in St. Chamond, Kivilev was transferred to St. Etienne where there is a
    neurosurgery service. Tuesday night the chief medical officer of the Paris-Nice race had, however,
    initially released a slightly optimistic communique. Unfortunately, Wednesday morning pessimism
    returned. "His state worsened during the night," said the doctor for the Cofidis team. Then, a
    little after 10am, Kivilev died.

    After arriving in France, he took up residence in St. Etienne like his countryman Alexander
    Vinokourov. He spent his professional career in French teams (Festina, Casino, and Cofidis). A pure
    climber, he had achieved his greatest feat with a 4th place in the 2001 Tour de France. He had only
    two victories in his palmares, but he regularly finished within the top 5 during stage races.

    Kivilev's fatal accident is the first among professional riders in 4 years. In 1999, the Spaniard
    Manuel Sanroma died from a fall during the Tour of Catalonia. Four years earlier, the Italian Fabio
    Casartelli died during the Tour de France on the terrible descent of the Portet d'Aspet.

    In consultation with the riders and other members of the team, Cofidis has decided to continue the
    race. "It's better to stay together after this terrible event," declared one of the team officials.
     
  5. John Stevenson wrote:
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    > :(
    >

    ditto :(
     
  6. Bart

    Bart Guest

    3rd stage P-N will be a farewell defile....

    "Une minute de silence en hommage au coureur kazakh a été observée au Puy-en-Velay au départ de la
    troisième étape de la course cycliste Paris-Nice qui sera transformée en défilé. Les coureurs, très
    émus sur le lieu de rassemblement, ont prévu de ne pas disputer la course comme ils l'avaient fait
    au lendemain du décès du coureur italien Fabio Casartelli dans le Tour de France 1995.

    La troisième étape de Paris-Nice, qui est partie peu avant 12 heures, est longue de 192,5 kilomètres
    du Puy-en-Velay jusqu'au Pont-du-Gard (Gard). Les coureurs, qui avaient envisagé de rejoindre le
    ravitaillement de la mi-course à bord de leurs voitures d'équipe, ont finalement décidé de parcourir
    toute la distance à vélo.

    Le Belge Nico Mattan, coéquipier de Kivilev dans le groupe Cofidis, a annoncé ce souhait aux
    organisateurs de l'épreuve. "L'étape sera parcourue à une allure d'environ 33-35 km/h", a déclaré
    Jean-Marie Leblanc, directeur de la société organisatrice, en remerciant les coureurs."
     
  7. Stan Cox

    Stan Cox Guest

    Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

    Stan Cox

    "Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
    > http://195.146.194.200/francais/equipe2002/coureur1.asp?coureur_id=78
    >
    > Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to the
    > front of the skull and braintrauma which let to
    a
    > coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.
    >
    > "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    > >
    > >
    >
     
  8. Danny Callen

    Danny Callen Guest

    "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    >
    >
    >

    Oh man...:-(
     
  9. Bart

    Bart Guest

    Stan Cox wrote:
    >
    > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

    idd please
     
  10. First, there's a short video on the story at http://www.eurosport.com/ .

    Stan Cox wrote:
    > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.
    >
    > Stan Cox

    If it is appropriate that professional bike racing, like virtually all wheeled sports, requires head
    protection, then if this event inspires such a change it only shows respect for Kivelev's memory. To
    me, that issue is quite relevent.

    It's important to try and draw lessons from tragedies. If the issues associated with the
    circumstances of the tragedy can't be discussed, this becomes less likely. The issue here,
    obviously, is head injury, and how it can be reduced among professional racing.

    If people start debating MHL's among the general population, Australia yada yada, that's completely
    inappropriate, as it has nothing to do with racing. The situations are completely different.

    If the argument is helmets are too hot, that the compensating risk of heat stroke nullifies the
    advantage of head protection, well I just see no evidence for that.

    If the argument is "where will one draw the line? What about body armor?" I draw the line at
    helmets. At least for now. Head injuries are the obvious target.

    Dan
     
  11. "Stan Cox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
    > > http://195.146.194.200/francais/equipe2002/coureur1.asp?coureur_id=78
    > >
    > > Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
    > > the front of the skull and braintrauma which let
    to
    >> a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.
    > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too
    sad
    > for that.

    Too late for that now. The subject has, unfortunately, been brought up.
    --
    Marty
     
  12. Miller

    Miller Guest

    from L'Equipe: http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/cofidis_kiv.html

    The "Alta Vista" translation:

    Andrei Kivilev fell face against ground, Tuesday, in the second stage, to forty kilometers of the
    arrival with Saint-Etienne, before the crossing of Saint-Chamond. The runner kazakh, which lost
    consciousness immediately, was hospitalized in Saint-Chamond, then transferred in a service
    specialized from neurosurgery to Saint-Etienne. Plunged in the coma since its fall, its health
    worsened in the night. The operation of last chance tried in the night of Tuesday to Wednesday did
    not give a result, according to the precise details brought by Dr. Jean-Jacques Menuet, doctor of
    the team Cofidis. cyclist "Following his fall, the state of Andrei was gravissime with fracture of
    the frontal bone, of the air and of blood in the brain", the doctor declared "This night, in regular
    contact with Pr Zeni of the CHU of Saint-Etienne, one decided to try a surgical decompression which
    did not succeed" According to contradictory testimonys' on the precise circumstances of the
    accident, Kivilev fell at the same time as its Polish fellow-member Marek Rutkiewicz and the German
    Volker Ordowski. Would this fall have been caused either by the stop of a runner (Ordowski?) for a
    mechanical reason, that is to say by touching the wheel of another competitor. At the time of the
    accident, Kivilev did not carry a helmet of protection. According to Dr. Jean-Jacques Minuet: "the
    port of the helmet would have most probably decreased the lesions of Andrei Kivilev. The
    localization of the fracture of the skull corresponds to a place protected by the helmet ",
    underlines T-it "It runner is free to carry it or not, even if the doctors advise it" Recall that
    the helmet, obligatory for the other categories of runners, is only advised by the international
    Union cyclist (UCI) for the runners of the group elite.

    "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote
    > > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    >
    > Cyclingnews also has the story: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/mar03/mar12news2
     
  13. Omc

    Omc Guest

    "Stan Cox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.
    >
    > Stan Cox
    >
    Your right, very sad day for pro cycling losing a major talent. Let's just pretend the helmet debate
    doesn't exist until the next cyclist dies. Just when do you decide that wearing a helmet is
    mandatory in all UCI races ? Do you wait for week, a month, a year to discuss it ? Six months from
    now will anyone give a shit ? It will all be forgotten until it happens again. You never want to see
    this happen, you don't want to be cold hearted, but to ignore it especially now is would be a
    greater tragedy. Stan, what is truly sad, is that it didn't generate into a helmet debate with the
    UCI rules committee and generate some changes.

    OMC
     
  14. Mike S.

    Mike S. Guest

    "OMC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Stan Cox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too
    sad
    > > for that.
    > >
    > > Stan Cox
    > >
    > Your right, very sad day for pro cycling losing a major talent. Let's just pretend the helmet
    > debate doesn't exist until the next cyclist dies. Just when do you decide that wearing a helmet is
    > mandatory in all UCI races ? Do you wait for week, a month, a year to discuss it ? Six months from
    > now will anyone give a shit ? It will all be forgotten until it happens again. You never want to
    > see this happen, you don't want to be cold hearted, but to ignore it especially now is would be a
    > greater tragedy. Stan, what is truly sad, is that it didn't generate into a helmet debate with the
    > UCI rules committee and generate some changes.
    >
    > OMC

    Till all of us have a say in what the UCI does, what difference does debating helmet use on usenet
    make? US debating helmets being required is a waste of time and energy. Until the pros get the
    picture themselves, or the UCI grows a pair and actually makes, then enforces the rules this time,
    its a moot point.

    If you wear a helmet, great. If you don't, great. It is your choice.

    Don't waste my time with useless debates on the internet, save that energy for training!

    Mike
     
  15. That's a drag. The last one that really caught my attention was Casartelli obviously because it was
    in the TDF, and that really affected me. Not long after that I got hit head on by a car, and went
    flying over the top of the car and landed in the dirt. I wasn't wearing a helmet and didn't get
    hurt. I don't always wear helmets for different reasons. I am Pro-choice. I think the Pros should
    have the right to choose when and where they want to wear them. Deaths in Pro cycling are rare but
    tragic. I am assuming the majority of the Pros in cycling favor the right to choose.

    Bruce
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    "Stan Cox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too
    sad
    > for that.
    >
    > Stan Cox
    >
    > "Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
    > > http://195.146.194.200/francais/equipe2002/coureur1.asp?coureur_id=78
    > >
    > > Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
    > > the front of the skull and braintrauma which let
    to
    > a
    > > coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.
    > >
    > > "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > > > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  16. In article <[email protected]>, "Ronald"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
    > http://195.146.194.200/francais/equipe2002/coureur1.asp?coureur_id=78
    >
    > Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
    > the front of the skull and braintrauma which let to a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet
    > at the time.
    >
    > "Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
    > > yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    I heard about it this morning on TV5, a french language channel that broadcasts french programming
    from france, switzerland, Belgium, luxembourg. They showed the start with the cofidis guys looking
    all traumatized. Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that bad when it happened,
    so it was really a bit of a shock.
     
  17. "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    > I am Pro-choice. I think the Pros should have the right to choose

    Let's not start the pro-choice thing. We already have a helmet debate.
     
  18. "Marlene Blanshay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that
    > bad when it happened, so it was really a bit of a shock.

    Fractured skull and coma usually sound pretty bad to me. What sounds worse? Instant death,
    I suppose.

    Perhaps you've been battle-hardened. Work in a M*A*S*H unit?
     
  19. Robert Chung

    Robert Chung Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > "Marlene Blanshay" <[email protected]> wrote
    > >
    > > Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that
    > > bad when it happened, so it was really a bit of a shock.
    >
    > Fractured skull and coma usually sound pretty bad to me. What sounds worse? Instant death, I
    > suppose.
    >
    > Perhaps you've been battle-hardened. Work in a M*A*S*H unit?

    Henry, give her a break. I was watching it live and although it was clear he had lost conciousness,
    it was completely unclear how severe the injury was. The guys standing around him didn't appear
    frantic, and the director switched back to live race action after a minute or two. I didn't know
    about the skull fracture until 11pm CET.
     
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