knee problem- links?

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by Dan Daniel, Feb 22, 2004.

  1. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would also
    be helpful.

    I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is basic
    degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what makes
    things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good orientation to
    the basic issues.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Top Sirloin

    Top Sirloin Guest

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:16:44 -0800, Dan Daniel <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    >that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would also
    >be helpful.
    >
    >I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    >basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    >positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what makes
    >things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good orientation to
    >the basic issues.

    Your problem is likely having cycling as your only form of leg exercise.

    You're either a)only using your knees through the upper portion of their range of motion, and the
    resulting muscular imbalance is likely pulling your patella to the outside, or b) have really weak
    hamstrings, because cycling for most people emphasizes quadricep development. The solution for a) is
    deep back and front squats in good form to strengthen your vastus lateralus, and for b) some leg
    curls, time on the glute-ham raise (with weight), and some romanian or stiff-legged deadlifts.

    --

    Scott Johnson "be a man ,stop looking for handouts , eat ,lift and shut your mouth" -John Carlo
     
  3. Badger_South

    Badger_South Guest

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:57:43 GMT, Top Sirloin
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Your problem is likely having cycling as your only form of leg exercise.
    >
    >You're either a)only using your knees through the upper portion of their range of motion, and the
    >resulting muscular imbalance is likely pulling your patella to the outside, or b) have really weak
    >hamstrings, because cycling for most people emphasizes quadricep development. The solution for a)
    >is deep back and front squats in good form to strengthen your vastus lateralus, and for b) some

    But with the pink dumbells, right? You don't wanna get muscle-bound, or too toned?

    >leg curls, time on the glute-ham raise (with weight), and some romanian or stiff-legged deadlifts.

    Actually at the end of each ride, which is near a wooden bridge near my house, I do a bunch of BW
    squats, calf raises, and holding onto the rail, stretch out to a full 'good morning' start position,
    arms straight, and then a ham stretch. Makes good sense about the imbalance. This is in addition to
    my workouts at the gym, by the way... ;-)

    I'd suggest that this is not too common, b/c lots of ppl do mostly bike for their legs. But if you
    have symptoms, good place to look. Most ppl immediately think the clips are torquing the lower leg
    or overuse.

    I might add...Do NOT believe the docs who say you have arthritis.

    <rant> All orthopods are morons. Orthopedic surgeons only want to replace your joints or cut on you
    to buy themselves big screen TVs and Benzes.

    The diagnosis of arthritis is _meaningless_ from a simple x-ray. You need -at least- two xrays, one
    from your younger, normal knee, and the one they take at diagnosis. And you need an MRI, and at
    least 3-4 alternate/additional opinions, especially if you're young and normally active. See an
    arthritis specialist, a sports med doc, and a physical therapist. Here, Scott gave you a valuable
    opinion, and one that a good physical therapist might give. They actually see and work with people
    and often know more 'real-world' advise than a guy who spends his days in the OR.

    All it takes is a thinner than normal cartilage layer for them to pigeon-hole you and say it's
    arthritis for them, that's the -definition- of arthritis.

    In addition, they will only tell you -after- you get your joint replaced that such surgery doesn't
    guarantee you relief, recovery, or any freaking thing at all. In fact if they make a mistake and
    replace your hip, but the problem was a pinched nerve or some spondylosis in your spine, they just
    say 'oh, well, too bad for you'. <\rant>

    Thx Scott.

    -B

    PS, someone else will chip in with the glucosamine - chondroiton info. ;-)
     
  4. > I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    > basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    > positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    > makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    > orientation to the basic issues.

    First, try something really simple and free. Assuming you're using clipless pedals, move your cleats
    *back* (towards the rear of the shoe). This reduces the leverage that can be exerted on your tendons
    & ligaments and can sometimes yield miraculous results. Absolutely nothing to lose for trying, and
    it's worked for a lot of our customers (as well as myself, many years ago).

    Second, you need to be aware that very few doctors have a clue about cycling. You need to find one
    of the few that actually ride a bike... they *do* exist, ask around. Don't worry about finding a
    "sports specialist." You want somebody who actually rides and understand what bikes are all about.
    You ought to hear the stories some of our cycling Doctor customers tell... pretty amazing stuff.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
     
  5. In article <[email protected]>, Dan Daniel
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    > that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would also
    > be helpful.
    >
    > I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    > basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    > positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    > makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    > orientation to the basic issues.
    >
    > Thanks.

    try the Knee guru- kneeguru.co.uk They discuss knee problems of all kinds and I found it to be very
    informative.
     
  6. Top Sirloin

    Top Sirloin Guest

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:40:42 -0500, Badger_South <[email protected]> wrote:

    >But with the pink dumbells, right? You don't wanna get muscle-bound, or too toned?

    I like to bite chunks out of the pink dumbbells to scare away the thousand rep tricep extension
    weenies. :)

    >Actually at the end of each ride, which is near a wooden bridge near my house, I do a bunch of BW
    >squats, calf raises, and holding onto the rail, stretch out to a full 'good morning' start
    >position, arms straight, and then a ham stretch. Makes good sense about the imbalance. This is in
    >addition to my workouts at the gym, by the way... ;-)
    >
    >I'd suggest that this is not too common, b/c lots of ppl do mostly bike for their legs. But if you
    >have symptoms, good place to look. Most ppl immediately think the clips are torquing the lower leg
    >or overuse.

    The muscular imbalance problem is more prevalent in people who push themselves to go faster,
    because they're actually pushing down hard enough on the pedal to develop strength and
    hypertrophyin their quads.

    <snip excellent rant about medical professionals>

    >PS, someone else will chip in with the glucosamine - chondroiton info. ;-)

    Don't forget the fish oil - that did more for my joints than those two.

    --
    Scott Johnson "Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are why they only open the
    top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen
     
  7. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:57:43 GMT, Top Sirloin
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:16:44 -0800, Dan Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    >>that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would also
    >>be helpful.
    >>
    >>I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    >>basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    >>positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    >>makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    >>orientation to the basic issues.
    >
    >Your problem is likely having cycling as your only form of leg exercise.
    >
    >You're either a)only using your knees through the upper portion of their range of motion, and the
    >resulting muscular imbalance is likely pulling your patella to the outside, or b) have really weak
    >hamstrings, because cycling for most people emphasizes quadricep development. The solution for a)
    >is deep back and front squats in good form to strengthen your vastus lateralus, and for b) some leg
    >curls, time on the glute-ham raise (with weight), and some romanian or stiff-legged deadlifts.

    Ok, thanks. You're right. It's what the doctors have told me over the years- strengthen the
    supporting muscles and the complete leg, and the stress on the joint will be less. Time to do these
    exercises seriously.
     
  8. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:40:42 -0500, Badger_South <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:57:43 GMT, Top Sirloin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >

    >
    >I might add...Do NOT believe the docs who say you have arthritis.
    >

    Actually, I am not certain if that was the doctor's term. I might have heard her explain things in a
    lot of words, gave a blank look, and mumble something like, 'Sort of like arthritis?" and she took
    the easy way out.

    ><rant>

    Luckily I haven't had any doctor push any surgical methods on me. The basic answers I have
    gotten over the years haven't ever mentioned surgery- position, other leg exercises, rest, ice,
    but no surgery.
     
  9. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:06:05 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    >> basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    >> positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    >> makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    >> orientation to the basic issues.
    >
    >First, try something really simple and free. Assuming you're using clipless pedals, move your
    >cleats *back* (towards the rear of the shoe). This reduces the leverage that can be exerted on your
    >tendons & ligaments and can sometimes yield miraculous results. Absolutely nothing to lose for
    >trying, and it's worked for a lot of our customers (as well as myself, many years ago).
    >

    Sounds worth trying. Thanks.

    >Second, you need to be aware that very few doctors have a clue about cycling. You need to find one
    >of the few that actually ride a bike... they *do* exist, ask around. Don't worry about finding a
    >"sports specialist." You want somebody who actually rides and understand what bikes are all about.
    >You ought to hear the stories some of our cycling Doctor customers tell... pretty amazing stuff.
    >
    >--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
    >

    I am not looking to doctors for the knee pain. I've been lucky maybe, but the few doctors who have
    looked at it over the years have all been pretty consistent and sane. I see it as some position
    tweaks and some off-bike exercises to be done.

    If a few months of exercises and position changes don't do much, I'll find a physical therapist or
    other 'specialist' to get things evaluated. The problem is annoying but not debilitating.
     
  10. Rick Onanian

    Rick Onanian Guest

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:40:42 -0500, Badger_South <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    ><\rant>

    <pedant> That's supposed to be '/', not '\'. </pedant>
    --
    Rick Onanian
     
  11. Badger_South

    Badger_South Guest

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:12:07 -0800, Dan Daniel <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >>Second, you need to be aware that very few doctors have a clue about cycling. You need to find one
    >>of the few that actually ride a bike... they *do* exist, ask around. Don't worry about finding a
    >>"sports specialist." You want somebody who actually rides and understand what bikes are all about.
    >>You ought to hear the stories some of our cycling Doctor customers tell... pretty amazing stuff.
    >>
    >>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
    >>
    >
    >I am not looking to doctors for the knee pain. I've been lucky maybe, but the few doctors who have
    >looked at it over the years have all been pretty consistent and sane. I see it as some position
    >tweaks and some off-bike exercises to be done.
    >
    >If a few months of exercises and position changes don't do much, I'll find a physical therapist or
    >other 'specialist' to get things evaluated. The problem is annoying but not debilitating.

    Dan, the important thing to realize is that if you have an overuse problem, it will only get worse.
    You may be wearing away parts of the joint structure, and if that happens, buddy, you will be in a
    world of hurt. I'm trying to look out for ya, man, not be pushing anything.

    If you ride clips, then take the other advice. You do not want to fsk around with your knees hips or
    ankles. You need to find the root cause and fix it, not go that route. Please be careful. I messed
    up my hip, and didn't heed the signs and I'm payin' for it in my 50s. If it were not for this
    injury, I'd be out skiing and running and going nuts, b/c I have the body of a 35 year old,
    otherwise.

    Fortunately the biking his helping as is the Glu-Chond. Two days ago for the first time, after the
    biking I was actually able to run up the steps from my basement. Back in August, I was limping up
    and holding on to the wall! (yay, me)

    -B
     
  12. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:24:47 GMT, [email protected] (Marlene
    Blanshay) wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Dan Daniel
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    >> that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would
    >> also be helpful.
    >>
    >> I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    >> basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    >> positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    >> makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    >> orientation to the basic issues.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >
    >try the Knee guru- kneeguru.co.uk They discuss knee problems of all kinds and I found it to be very
    >informative.

    Great site! Thanks. Going to take awhile to dig trough it....
     
  13. Dan Daniel

    Dan Daniel Guest

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:50:27 -0500, Badger_South <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:12:07 -0800, Dan Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>>Second, you need to be aware that very few doctors have a clue about cycling. You need to find
    >>>one of the few that actually ride a bike... they *do* exist, ask around. Don't worry about
    >>>finding a "sports specialist." You want somebody who actually rides and understand what bikes are
    >>>all about. You ought to hear the stories some of our cycling Doctor customers tell... pretty
    >>>amazing stuff.
    >>>
    >>>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
    >>>
    >>
    >>I am not looking to doctors for the knee pain. I've been lucky maybe, but the few doctors who have
    >>looked at it over the years have all been pretty consistent and sane. I see it as some position
    >>tweaks and some off-bike exercises to be done.
    >>
    >>If a few months of exercises and position changes don't do much, I'll find a physical therapist or
    >>other 'specialist' to get things evaluated. The problem is annoying but not debilitating.
    >
    >Dan, the important thing to realize is that if you have an overuse problem, it will only get worse.
    >You may be wearing away parts of the joint structure, and if that happens, buddy, you will be in a
    >world of hurt. I'm trying to look out for ya, man, not be pushing anything.
    >

    I get you. I'm listening and thinking about all you (and others) have said.

    >If you ride clips, then take the other advice. You do not want to fsk around with your knees hips
    >or ankles. You need to find the root cause and fix it, not go that route. Please be careful. I
    >messed up my hip, and didn't heed the signs and I'm payin' for it in my 50s. If it were not for
    >this injury, I'd be out skiing and running and going nuts, b/c I have the body of a 35 year old,
    >otherwise.
    >

    Yep, hitting 45 I am more and more aware of permanent damage. If I don't take it seriously now, it
    won't give me any choice later.

    >Fortunately the biking his helping as is the Glu-Chond. Two days ago for the first time, after the
    >biking I was actually able to run up the steps from my basement. Back in August, I was limping up
    >and holding on to the wall! (yay, me)
    >
    >-B
    >

    Definitely YAY you. Congratulations. Thanks for taking the time and hopefully save me and others
    some of the pain you have gone through. Glad to know that the biking has helped your hip
    problems so well!
     
  14. Peter Cole

    Peter Cole Guest

    "Dan Daniel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    > that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would also
    > be helpful.
    >
    > I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    > basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    > positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    > makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    > orientation to the basic issues.

    I do a lot of long distance riding and I'm over 50. I've found that my knees (fortunately pretty
    injury free) are extremely sensitive to toe-in(out) settings on my cleats. I've also found they're
    somewhat less sensitive to cleat forward/back (like cleat back) and saddle height (that more affects
    lower back). Occasionally, I get the classic "under the kneecap" twinges. When that happens, I do
    the straight leg lifts that the sports med doc suggested 20+ years ago (patella tracking problem -->
    tendonitis) when I had similar pains from running (which he suggested I stop, & I did). Although I
    use pedals with relatively little float (SPD, ~4 deg), if I keep the cleats back (last position) and
    toe in the maximum amount, my knees remain happy, even though I put a substantial (~2,500 mi/yr)
    amount of riding on a fixed gear. Another thing to be careful about is to keep your knees warm, I
    did a double century not long ago with bare knees and temps in the 40's, and my knees got very
    unhappy. I'm also a believer in "vitamin I" (Ibuprofen), I think it's useful to prevent
    inflammation, I take some before most long rides.
     
  15. Badger_South

    Badger_South Guest

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:44:02 -0800, Dan Daniel <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >Yep, hitting 45 I am more and more aware of permanent damage. If I don't take it seriously now, it
    >won't give me any choice later.
    >
    >>Fortunately the biking his helping as is the Glu-Chond. Two days ago for the first time, after the
    >>biking I was actually able to run up the steps from my basement. Back in August, I was limping up
    >>and holding on to the wall! (yay, me)
    >>
    >>-B
    >>
    >
    >Definitely YAY you. Congratulations. Thanks for taking the time and hopefully save me and others
    >some of the pain you have gone through. Glad to know that the biking has helped your hip
    >problems so well!

    Well, let me moderate my response, b/c it's most likely that you have an easy problem to fix. Just
    investigate and try to fix it is all I'm saying. Don't just be satisfied with 'it's minor, I'll live
    with it'. <smile>

    Just for you, mind you, one near geezer to another...here's a pix of me in late 2002 over 50! <bg>

    http://www.pbase.com/image/18847396/medium

    Thanks for the 'yay'. ;-)

    -B
     
  16. Badger_South

    Badger_South Guest

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:53:05 GMT, "Peter Cole"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Dan Daniel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> I am looking for web sites that discuss knee problems for bicyclists and some of the adjustments
    >> that can be made in seat position and height. Anything on the general physiology/forces would
    >> also be helpful.
    >>
    >> I have a recurring knee pain, localized lower inside knee cap. Doctors have told me that it is
    >> basic degeneration (arthritis?). It seems to come and go, but is definitely aggravated by certain
    >> positions. I am about to start a series of position changes to study what is at work and what
    >> makes things better. Rather than just start randomly moving things around, I'd like a good
    >> orientation to the basic issues.
    >
    >I do a lot of long distance riding and I'm over 50. I've found that my knees (fortunately pretty
    >injury free) are extremely sensitive to toe-in(out) settings on my cleats. I've also found they're
    >somewhat less sensitive to cleat forward/back (like cleat back) and saddle height (that more
    >affects lower back). Occasionally, I get the classic "under the kneecap" twinges. When that
    >happens, I do the straight leg lifts that the sports med doc suggested 20+ years ago (patella
    >tracking problem --> tendonitis) when I had similar pains from running (which he suggested I stop,
    >& I did). Although I use pedals with relatively little float (SPD, ~4 deg), if I keep the cleats
    >back (last position) and toe in the maximum amount, my knees remain happy, even though I put a
    >substantial (~2,500 mi/yr) amount of riding on a fixed gear. Another thing to be careful about is
    >to keep your knees warm, I did a double century not long ago with bare knees and temps in the 40's,
    >and my knees got very unhappy. I'm also a believer in "vitamin I" (Ibuprofen), I think it's useful
    >to prevent inflammation, I take some before most long rides.
    >

    Peter. You are one awesome and lucky guy. Kudos to the MAX, man.

    What are your vitals (weight, height, etc.) Heh, I was gonna put VO2Max to tease you, but then
    didn't think you'd know that. (I could be rong!) hehe.

    -B
     
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  18. Peter Cole

    Peter Cole Guest

    "Badger_South" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > Peter. You are one awesome and lucky guy. Kudos to the MAX, man.
    >
    > What are your vitals (weight, height, etc.) Heh, I was gonna put VO2Max to tease you, but then
    > didn't think you'd know that. (I could be rong!) hehe.

    Thanks. I guess I am pretty lucky health-wise. I'm 6'10", 235 lb (not a typo). I belong to a large
    road club ( www.crw.org) in the Boston area, with ~1,000 members. We recently celebrated our 350th
    consecutive Saturday morning "fitness" ride. These are done on 30-50 mile rolling courses where we
    average anywhere from high teens to low 20's, depending on season. We had our coldest ride ever this
    winter, -2 F at the start:(http://home.comcast.net/~peter_cole/P2190003.JPG). Most of the riders on
    that ride were over 50, the woman on the far right just turned 60, and she completed the Paris-Brest-
    Paris last year. So far my longest event has been 400K (250 mi), but I keep pushing the limits at
    our local brevet series (http://www.gis.net/~ingle/bbs/). Our club also has a member who was the
    first woman to finish the last P-B-P. It's a great club, a great area for cycling, and I have
    Sheldon Brown right down the street, so no excuses. I got back into cycling 8-9 years ago, after a
    long hiatus, and it's completely changed my ideas about age & fitness. Remarkably, I'm still
    improving, I expect to set a new time trial PR this year. I'm not alone, the people in my age-group
    seem to mostly still be improving also. One of the (over 50) guys rides several on & off road rides
    every week, teaches 3 spinning classes, and is looking to beat the cross-state TT record. Another
    guy completed the Boston-Montreal-Boston (750 mi, 35K' of climb, in <90 hr) 6 months after hip
    replacement. Now that's hard core! My goal is to be the first 80 year old to do the BMB, heck, I've
    got more than 25 years to train.
     
  19. Badger_South

    Badger_South Guest

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:36:25 GMT, "Peter Cole"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Badger_South" <[email protected]> wrote
    >>
    >> Peter. You are one awesome and lucky guy. Kudos to the MAX, man.
    >>
    >> What are your vitals (weight, height, etc.) Heh, I was gonna put VO2Max to tease you, but then
    >> didn't think you'd know that. (I could be rong!) hehe.
    >
    >Thanks. I guess I am pretty lucky health-wise. I'm 6'10", 235 lb (not a typo). I belong to a large
    >road club ( www.crw.org) in the Boston area, with ~1,000
    ......................^^^^ Was that a pun? All basketball players? <hehe>

    >members. We recently celebrated our 350th consecutive Saturday morning "fitness" ride. These are
    >done on 30-50 mile rolling courses where we average anywhere from high teens to low 20's, depending
    >on season. We had our coldest ride ever this winter, -2 F at the
    >start:(http://home.comcast.net/~peter_cole/P2190003.JPG). Most of the riders on that ride were over
    >50, the woman on the far right just turned 60, and she completed the Paris-Brest-Paris last year.
    >So far my longest event has been 400K (250 mi), but I keep pushing the limits at our local brevet
    >series (http://www.gis.net/~ingle/bbs/). Our club also has a member who was the first woman to
    >finish the last P-B-P. It's a great club, a great area for cycling, and I have Sheldon Brown right
    >down the street, so no excuses. I got back into cycling 8-9 years ago, after a long hiatus, and
    >it's completely changed my ideas about age & fitness. Remarkably, I'm still improving, I expect to
    >set a new time trial PR this year. I'm not alone, the people in my age-group seem to mostly still
    >be improving also. One of the (over 50) guys rides several on & off road rides every week, teaches
    >3 spinning classes, and is looking to beat the cross-state TT record.

    >Another guy completed the Boston-Montreal-Boston (750 mi, 35K' of climb, in <90 hr) 6 months after
    >hip replacement. Now that's hard core!

    <BONK!> <- sound of my jaw dropping on the floor! (not glucose deficiency)

    > My goal is to be the first 80 year old to do the BMB, heck, I've got more than 25 years to train.

    What's the oldest rider? That's not an easy course - we're talking 15degree grade and some
    10degree, right?

    Would you say that's comparable to the Iron Man, or harder? (I'm talking relative effort to the
    whole course, not just the 112mi bike in windy, hot-box conditions)

    -B
     
  20. Rick Onanian

    Rick Onanian Guest

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:36:25 GMT, "Peter Cole"
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Thanks. I guess I am pretty lucky health-wise. I'm 6'10", 235 lb (not a typo). I belong to a large
    >road club ( www.crw.org) in the Boston area

    Well, at that size, you certainly couldn't belong to a "small" road club. <G>
    --
    Rick Onanian
     
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