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Kool-Stop MTB Salmon brake pad weakness

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  1. The stupid "angled tip and plow" on the leading edge of the brake pad is
    positively uesless. I put them on the front expecting them to increase
    power over my old ones. The result was mushy, weak braking, and lots of
    squeal. I figured the plow only served to keep a large portion of the pad
    away from the rim, so I ground only the plow portion off. Lo and behold, no
    squeal and excellent brake power now. I wonder why they would implement
    this marketing gimmick if it didn't help at all and actually created squeal.

    Grind off the plow if you get these pads.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  2. Phil said:

    The stupid "angled tip and plow" on the leading edge of the brake pad is
    positively uesless. I put them on the front expecting them to increase
    power over my old ones. The result was mushy, weak braking, and lots of
    squeal. I figured the plow only served to keep a large portion of the pad
    away from the rim, so I ground only the plow portion off. Lo and behold, no
    squeal and excellent brake power now. I wonder why they would implement
    this marketing gimmick if it didn't help at all and actually created squeal.

    Grind off the plow if you get these pads.

    Can you post pictures of the modified pads?

    P.S. How long until you graduate to full squidness? 😉

    --
    Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

  3. Phil said:

    The stupid "angled tip and plow" on the leading edge of the brake pad is
    positively uesless. I put them on the front expecting them to increase
    power over my old ones. The result was mushy, weak braking, and lots of
    squeal. I figured the plow only served to keep a large portion of the pad
    away from the rim, so I ground only the plow portion off. Lo and behold, no
    squeal and excellent brake power now. I wonder why they would implement
    this marketing gimmick if it didn't help at all and actually created squeal.

    Grind off the plow if you get these pads.

    trouble is, the plow is what stops the grit getting under the pad &
    embedded - the /only/ reason to buy these pads. agreed, they can be
    mushy and squeal like mad, but the plow /does/ work in foul weather.

    are you using shimano or campy calipers? if they're the fixed toe
    shimano's, you're going to have mushy brakes anyway. campy are great
    because pad mountings are orbital and you can adjust to parallel to get
    very positive brakes /and/ minimal grit. haven't gotten around to
    installing them yet, but i recently bought a set of orbiting pad holders
    for shimano. i'm interested to see if they address this issue.

    http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=9812897582&d=single&c=Repair%20Parts&sc=Brake&tc=Pads-Road&item_id=KS-RHD

  4. Quoted message said:

    trouble is, the plow is what stops the grit getting under the pad &
    embedded - the /only/ reason to buy these pads. agreed, they can be mushy
    and squeal like mad, but the plow /does/ work in foul weather.

    Grit getting embedded is no problem for me at all. I actually smear mud on
    my rims to clean off the brake pads after a long dry spell... my brakes work
    wonderfully after these treatments. Granted, I DO have 2 or 3 long, deep
    gouge marks the diameter of sand grains clean through the pad fore and aft
    with *no permanent embedding*, but the braking is predictable, strong,
    linear, and nearly silent. Having said that, I would rather have permanent
    good performance than longer pad life.

    The pad life is actually rather surprising, especially after maybe 10 muddy
    MTB rides and 300 dry miles with a previous set of silent black Kool-stops
    in Avid cartridge holders. I'll take a picture of them with their gouges
    when I get the chance.

    Quoted message said:

    are you using shimano or campy calipers? if they're the fixed toe
    shimano's, you're going to have mushy brakes anyway. campy are great
    because pad mountings are orbital and you can adjust to parallel to get
    very positive brakes /and/ minimal grit. haven't gotten around to
    installing them yet, but i recently bought a set of orbiting pad holders
    for shimano. i'm interested to see if they address this issue.

    I wrote "MTB" in the subject... unless you were thinking that I might
    actually have some old Campy MTB stuff: ha! On my road bike with original
    old champagne-finish 105 brakes and pads, I get very good squeal-free and
    wet-performance braking with fixed toe mountings. When I bought them, I
    thought I would have to replace the pads, but their performance surprised me
    and I kept them on.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  5. Quoted message said:

    The pad life is actually rather surprising, especially after maybe 10
    muddy MTB rides and 300 dry miles with a previous set of silent black
    Kool-stops in Avid cartridge holders. I'll take a picture of them with
    their gouges when I get the chance.

    http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/brk.jpg

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

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