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Matt O'Toole
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:09:05 -0500, Peter Cole wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>>
>> Matt: There's an alternative explanation. Our shop sells both Salmon and
>> Black, but for vanity reasons, it seems a lot of our customers prefer the
>> black. But here's the kicker- as much as I read about the differences
>> between the black and salmon pads, well, I've gone through quite a few of
>> each on my road bike (I don't avoid riding in the rain) and... forgive me
>> for saying this... but... I don't find a difference. Actually, I *think*
>> it's possible that the black ones wear faster, but I'm not going to be
>> convinced of anything until I see some actual testing.
At least you make the effort to offer the well-reputed model.
> It's more of an issue of how much the pads wear the rims than how fast
> the pads wear. When I ride with a group in the rain I can often hear a
> distinct difference in brake noise (you know *that* noise) when we brake
> multiple times in quick succession. Other pads seem to be still making
> that "grit" noise long after mine stopped.
>
> I had some original Shimano black cantilever pads that were about the
> worst. I would take them off and find lots of aluminum shavings embedded
> in them, often with a little hard piece of grit in the middle.
They're awful. The sound they make is scary, like your rims are being
shaved at an alarming rate -- which they are. I went through a set of MTB
rims in 18 months with original Shimano pads, then five years from the
next set w/ KS salmon, under the same riding conditions.
> I think hard pads like KS salmons tend to squeal more, but I'll take
> that over rim eating.
Maybe, but any change in regular braking habit and wear pattern can cause
squeal -- just like with a car or motorcycle. The black KS pads on my MTB
can squeal like crazy after a couple of months of nothing but short trips.
A dry spell after a lot of wet winter conditions will do it too. I
haven't noticed the salmon ones to be any worse (or better). Play on the
brake studs seems to make a difference too though.
Matt O.
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>>
>> Matt: There's an alternative explanation. Our shop sells both Salmon and
>> Black, but for vanity reasons, it seems a lot of our customers prefer the
>> black. But here's the kicker- as much as I read about the differences
>> between the black and salmon pads, well, I've gone through quite a few of
>> each on my road bike (I don't avoid riding in the rain) and... forgive me
>> for saying this... but... I don't find a difference. Actually, I *think*
>> it's possible that the black ones wear faster, but I'm not going to be
>> convinced of anything until I see some actual testing.
At least you make the effort to offer the well-reputed model.
> It's more of an issue of how much the pads wear the rims than how fast
> the pads wear. When I ride with a group in the rain I can often hear a
> distinct difference in brake noise (you know *that* noise) when we brake
> multiple times in quick succession. Other pads seem to be still making
> that "grit" noise long after mine stopped.
>
> I had some original Shimano black cantilever pads that were about the
> worst. I would take them off and find lots of aluminum shavings embedded
> in them, often with a little hard piece of grit in the middle.
They're awful. The sound they make is scary, like your rims are being
shaved at an alarming rate -- which they are. I went through a set of MTB
rims in 18 months with original Shimano pads, then five years from the
next set w/ KS salmon, under the same riding conditions.
> I think hard pads like KS salmons tend to squeal more, but I'll take
> that over rim eating.
Maybe, but any change in regular braking habit and wear pattern can cause
squeal -- just like with a car or motorcycle. The black KS pads on my MTB
can squeal like crazy after a couple of months of nothing but short trips.
A dry spell after a lot of wet winter conditions will do it too. I
haven't noticed the salmon ones to be any worse (or better). Play on the
brake studs seems to make a difference too though.
Matt O.