on sca, yes. i can see that case being filed. sca seem to be keeping their powder dry, though, waiting for the affair to go through the vetting.Originally Posted by alienator .
I'll bet at least SCA promotions will try to get their money back.
In other news, here's a good post refuting the "everyone does it so it should be legal" argument.
It's not a tragedy for justice.Originally Posted by nonns .
Like I said I have no idea whether LA has doped or not. I am still reading the report. Nothing I've read so far impresses me that much but then I probably haven't got to the juicy bits.
Anyway hang em high Slovak guy enjoy the sight of someone being publicly flogged. You appear to get off on the sight of it. Personally I find the whole thing tragic. Its tragic for cycling. Its tragic for justice. Its tragic for LA (if he is guilty of the things he's being accused of I wonder at what state of his life he went off the rails thinking wise/If he isn't guilty then its a travesty of justice). Its tragic for everyone involved and its tragic for the fans. Its put me right off watching the sport anymore especially whilst known dopers are going to carry on competing at the highest levels.
The evidence has been assembled.Originally Posted by nonns .
No you misunderstood what I was saying. The whole doping thing coupled with the whole way in which the investigation has been conducted and counter behaviour by the LA camp and the ongoing approach of Bruyneel and Vebruggen and others is a tragedy. The whole thing is an ungodly mess.
Exposing cheating is of course good. Exposing crimes is good. I support cheating being exposed. I question whether this report does that (not as far as I've got in the document so far IMHO). I've seen a lot of he said she said type stuff but not a lot else thus far. Perhaps I'll see it later on in the doc or in the appendices. If the document does not provide hard evidence then it proves nothing and that will be a tragedy for justice and for cycling.
Very concise, Limerickman. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Unfortunately, you can't reason with unreasonable people.Originally Posted by limerickman .
The evidence has been assembled.
His own team mates confirmed the evidence.
The verdict's been delivered.
The onus is now on the guilty party, Armstrong, to prove that he didn't dope.
I know in a court of law, the testimony of one witness should have no more weight than the testimony of another. But this is the real world.Originally Posted by nonns .
No you misunderstood what I was saying. The whole doping thing coupled with the whole way in which the investigation has been conducted and counter behaviour by the LA camp and the ongoing approach of Bruyneel and Vebruggen and others is a tragedy. The whole thing is an ungodly mess.
Exposing cheating is of course good. Exposing crimes is good. I support cheating being exposed. I question whether this report does that (not as far as I've got in the document so far IMHO). I've seen a lot of he said she said type stuff but not a lot else thus far. Perhaps I'll see it later on in the doc or in the appendices. If the document does not provide hard evidence then it proves nothing and that will be a tragedy for justice and for cycling.
Ditto. From the start, for reasons rational or not, the thing that I was waiting for through all of this was what Hincapie had to say.Originally Posted by jpwkeeper .
If George says you doped, that's a completely different ball of wax.... That testimony, more than the biological passport findings, which I still think are being overstated, is to me the smoking gun.
If George does make contact implicating Alienator about doping I'm sure Steve will take the ban hammer to Alienator /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gifOriginally Posted by jpwkeeper .
If George came out and said Alienator doped, it would not surprise me if Cycling Forums banned him.
with that i will agree. in the main, though, you seem to whirl about, both seeing the usada point and defending armstrong with only the scantest argument--mostly your gut feeling and an uninformed opinion of what sparks stated in his dismissal of armstrong's case to cast aspersions on usada's motive and investigation. on that point (and given that i've read judge sparks decision), if the usada had not performed as they stated they would do to judge sparks (their commitment to do so elicited judge sparks' admonition that were they to do otherwise, usada would not enjoy seeing him again.), then why has armstrong and his legal team not dragged this affair back into his courtroom? most likely because they would be laughed out of the building.Originally Posted by nonns .
The reality therefore is that USADA has won and LA is guilty. I hope to god that he really did it because if he didn't then they've hung the wrong man!
forgot to address this earlier.Originally Posted by nonns .
Anyway hang em high Slovak guy enjoy the sight of someone being publicly flogged. You appear to get off on the sight of it. Personally I find the whole thing tragic. Its tragic for cycling. Its tragic for justice. Its tragic for LA (if he is guilty of the things he's being accused of I wonder at what state of his life he went off the rails thinking wise/If he isn't guilty then its a travesty of justice). Its tragic for everyone involved and its tragic for the fans. Its put me right off watching the sport anymore especially whilst known dopers are going to carry on competing at the highest levels.
Heh!limerickman said:If George does make contact implicating Alienator about doping I'm sure Steve will take the ban hammer to Alienator (only joking Alienator).
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