Armstrong should have admitted his guilt 13 years ago when his cheating was first detected, Pearson.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth
Lance Armstrong Won't Fight Usada Charges
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Armstrong should have admitted his guilt 13 years ago when his cheating was first detected, Pearson.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth
I assume you have never lied or cheated and are not self serving. Let me stop you before you reply, I am sure your next line is going to be "well mine are not that bad though" right. Then again your a moderator on a thread and your lies don't really impact much do they. It is all relative.
This is astonishing!
You are unexplored!
LOL - nobody has even seen it and you are preparing you case to be right by calling it a mockery. Hey, if it is a shame I will be the first on here to say he isn't there yet.
Besides his contrition is not an event but a process and it will take time to mend things, I hope he has the courage to complete that process.
Pearson, this isn't about anyone never telling lies.
13 years ago evidence was produced that directly challenged Armstrong's lies.
Armstrong continued to lie then.
Armstrong continued to lie throughout the following 13 years.
13 years of lies, obfuscation and deflection.
These are the plain and simple facts, Pearson.
The stage has now been reached whereby even if Armstrong now tells the truth, he will not be believed.
That's the way with liars.
Not bringing God or the gods into a conversation is not atheistic, it's just a conversation absent any divinity. In any case I was always under the impression one's relationship to their deity was a personal one.
This is a privately owned forum. As such moderators are allowed to set whatever boundaries they may. You are entirely free to say what you will, and they are entirely free to exercise their domain.
Well apparently he is a cheat and as a supporter I have to say I was wrong ... pah willies (am V disappointed). Whatever happened to ... all the heroes???? There weren't any and there aren't any.
Rumour has it that Cheatstrong has decided to confess so he can compete in Triathlon. What sport would willingly let him compete now?
Rumour has it that Cheatstrong has decided to confess so he can compete in Triathlon. What sport would willingly let him compete now?
Agree this isn't a sad day for cycling - it's a sad day for those individuals who had their sense of self (ego) wrapped around LA's unit.
Those who took pride in his accomplishments because they apparently had none of their own. LA has always simply been a human being in my book, and never approached hero status. His downfall is like watching Wall Street, with Lance playing Gordon Gecko and Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, etc. in the role of Bud Fox.
He's an entertainer, period. Then and now. He has learned very well how to manipulate situations and people to use them to his sole advantage - if a person or situation fails to advance his cause (or his bank account) in some manner, he has no use for it/them.
There are millions of Lance-types in the US and Canada, and around the world. I'd say be on guard for them.
Those who took pride in his accomplishments because they apparently had none of their own. LA has always simply been a human being in my book, and never approached hero status. His downfall is like watching Wall Street, with Lance playing Gordon Gecko and Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, etc. in the role of Bud Fox.
He's an entertainer, period. Then and now. He has learned very well how to manipulate situations and people to use them to his sole advantage - if a person or situation fails to advance his cause (or his bank account) in some manner, he has no use for it/them.
There are millions of Lance-types in the US and Canada, and around the world. I'd say be on guard for them.
i watched the movie again after many years, Gecko had a good plan for the airline to start making profits again, it was the syndicates who stopped him and that lead to the disaster, Fox reaction was juvenile, so Gecko was not a total monster and neither Armstrong is one,tonyzackery said:
LOL! Good spin. ****** had some good ideals too - it all depends on perspective and which side of the fence you're on.
Looks like his admission may be hollow.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/15/oprah-says-lance-armstrong-did-not-come-clean-like-thought-would/
Just saw the article that the NY Times said Nike paid Verbuggen $500K to cover the Lance positive test.
I must have missed that. That will go splat on Nike!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/15/oprah-says-lance-armstrong-did-not-come-clean-like-thought-would/
Just saw the article that the NY Times said Nike paid Verbuggen $500K to cover the Lance positive test.
I must have missed that. That will go splat on Nike!!!
there are indeed people who saw this--winfrey, armstrong and the crew, i.e., the source for the numerous leaks to the media about the content of the interview. my personal view is that these leaks are ordained by the show in order to drum up/dumb up interest in this "confession." now, one also has to look at how it is being positioned, both by the media and the show, which is as a confession. a confession is an admission of having done wrong as one accepts responsibility for one's actions and the consequences attendant upon that confession. while in our legal world, one offers an admission of guilt. in the end, it is still and acceptance of personal responsibility for the acts. if we are to believe the reports of armstrong's appearance before his foundation's workers, armstrong offered an apology. etymologically, an apology (apologia) is to offer an explanation. one may offer, and armstrong has probably offered, an explanation without ever accepting culpability (mea culpa, mea maxima culpa was the phrase often stated in the confessional). while you and others may think some of us revel in his downfall or are too harsh in criticising his efforts at image rehabilitation, i wonder at your speed in proclaiming him on the path to whatever redemption you see for him.
in the end, this may simply be armstrong exploring new ways of keeping his career as an athlete going. i think it no coincidence that this interview will be broadcast at night after the closing of the courts. significance of that is the usps will have until the close of business thursday to decide whether they join landis' suit against armstrong. curious timing, no? one might also ask why someone so brassy with his twitter account would skulk off to denver to meet secretly with tygart. where was that vaunted armstrong courage then? in final analysis, armstrong continues to be calculating and manipulative. the trick is trying to figure out what he's after.
The underlined bit is probably the most accurate summation that I've ever read in my 9 years on CF.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/armstrong-benefactor-is-holding-his-breath/
I hope evidence is found of that $500k payment Nike allegedly made to the UCI to hush-up that positive in 1999. That'll blow the lid off the UCI.
I hope evidence is found of that $500k payment Nike allegedly made to the UCI to hush-up that positive in 1999. That'll blow the lid off the UCI.
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