Lance disses AC!

jackhammer111 said:

this is from...

Holy Moly. Is this the real jackhammer? The guy from Ohio who PMs people and says he wants to fight them, giving them his address in Ohio. When he really gets mad, he vows to track posters down and rape their wives. That Jack? The nutter?

Which one of you cards is masquerading as Jack? Fess up.

jackhammer111 said:

Lance day after day answered question from the press, sometime until they ran out of questions while Albert made brief little comments or in some cases said nothing at all. For a leader and favorite he wasn't very generous with the press.

What a complete load. Armstrong's "answering" the press took this form: After a stage, while other riders were being interviewed, Armstrong's spokesperson would come to the press, yell, "Lance Armstrong," and would play a soundbite from Armstrong on a laptop. The press would fight to get near enough to hear the recording. Later on Armstrong would send out a thought or two via Twitter. He refused to do anything but those poweder puff interviews with Andreu. I would not call that generous.

Contador on the other hand was The Man. He let his legs do the talking. Even on a course my granny could have ridden, he was still able to take advantage of the moderate amounts of climbing available to prove he was the strongest man in the race.

Bro Deal said:

Contador on the other hand was The Man. He let his legs do the talking. Even on a course my granny could have ridden, he was still able to take advantage of the moderate amounts of climbing available to prove he was the strongest man in the race.

Get Granny off the dope!!!

thebluetrain said:

For everyones viewing

Thats a classic stage finish 🙂

thebluetrain said:

Passes on his celebration party, basically tells him F Off. Poor AC.

Armstrong skips party honoring Contador - VeloNews

So basically you are saying that lance hasnt changed. Me me me... So much for being a team player this year.

thebluetrain said:

No, because LA only attacked when race tactics dictated he needed to. A perfect example of this is in the 2004 TdF Stage 17. You know the one where it was LA, Landis, Kloden, and Ullrich together up to the last 2km. Landis attacked, Kloden attacked and closed the gap, and LA the took the stage after Landis could not respond.
In that stage, the 4 were together and LA had a +5 minute lead on Kloden on GC , and +8 minute lead on Ullrich on GC and was clearly the better climber and time trialer as was AC. LA didnt attack because there was no need to. He could have easily attacked the group and distanced himself from Kloden and Ullrich but race tactics said he didnt need to. Just like JB told AC "you dont need to attack today to win the TdF."
In fact, Armstrong tried to give the stage to his teammate, but Landis was overtaken by Kloden.

so, let me see if i understand this point. it is o.k. for lance to drop his teammate (landis) when his teammate is knackered, but contador should not do this to his teammate (kloden) even though contador is riding a difficult stage where his closest competitor and that competitor's brother are riding beside contador and klodi is knackered? one more question from a simpleton. if lance couldn't get past andy for second on this stage, how was kloden going to slot into third? strikes me as you lance fans wanting to have it both ways, as usual.

slovakguy said:

so, let me see if i understand this point. it is o.k. for lance to drop his teammate (landis) when his teammate is knackered, but contador should not do this to his teammate (kloden) even though contador is riding a difficult stage where his closest competitor and that competitor's brother are riding beside contador and klodi is knackered? one more question from a simpleton. if lance couldn't get past andy for second on this stage, how was kloden going to slot into third? strikes me as you lance fans wanting to have it both ways, as usual.

Dude, LA dropped Landis 300m from the finish, not 17km. After he offered Landis the stage win, after Landis was pulled back by Ullrich, after Kloden counter attacked for the stage win, after it was obvious Landis didnt have the legs to get the stage win. I tried to spell it out for you. I even linked you to the vid. How can you not see the difference?

Did AC offer Kloden the stage win? Did AC wait till the last 300m to go for the stage win? No, he sold out Kloden at 17km and then sold the stage to the Schlecks. And you call yourself a simpleton? Nice try.

now you have contador selling out kloden. are you lance's mom?

thebluetrain said:

Dude, LA dropped Landis 300m from the finish, not 17km.

sort of like how armstrong dropped kloden when nibali went forward that same stage? seems lance was interested in his own position on gc at that moment and not kloden's fortunes.

slovakguy said:

sort of like how armstrong dropped kloden when nibali went forward that same stage? seems lance was interested in his own position on gc at that moment and not kloden's fortunes.

LOL, Red Herring!!!!!!:eek:

slovakguy said:

now you have contador selling out kloden. are you lance's mom?

Yep he sold him out. then regretted his mistake.

thebluetrain said:

Yep he sold him out. then regretted his mistake.

about the only mistake contador made this tour was letting bruyneel place armstrong on the roster. you should take the time and read that nyvelocity translation (or the original in spanish, if you like) to see your boy lancey doing his backstage backstabbing. at least contador isn't afraid of taking the yellow jersey.

by the bye, at least we know that we've reached the end of armstrong's season since he has never bothered to race a full season like the great champions.

slovakguy said:

about the only mistake contador made this tour was letting bruyneel place armstrong on the roster. you should take the time and read that nyvelocity translation (or the original in spanish, if you like) to see your boy lancey doing his backstage backstabbing. at least contador isn't afraid of taking the yellow jersey.

by the bye, at least we know that we've reached the end of armstrong's season since he has never bothered to race a full season like the great champions.

Lance Armstrong is scared of the yellow jersy? How do you work that one out?

No he is appearing in other tours for the remainer of the year.

Contador made more than one mistake. He should have feigned bad form on at least one stage so suspicion wouldn't be aroused.

considering a champion like anquetil vowed to wear the yellow jersey from start to finish and backed it up, not just when it suited his needs (it's too early to defend the yellow jersey, says the hog. kay, you bet, says lance). considering how hinault and lemond fought hammers and tongs over it while on the same team. how fignon and lemond traded it back and forth (and lemond's team wasn't nearly as strong as fignon's) for three weeks, armstrong's fear of wearing it at the front pales before those champions. and that's not even bringing merckx or coppi or bartali or bobet in on the conversation. yes, lancey has seven tour victories, but the manner in which he took them doesn't put him above the greats. lance feared the responsibility of being out in front with the yellow.

as for the other tours, one might point out how he is reaping the appearance fee/charity windfall.

how do you know he didn't have bad form when the break opened up before him in the first week?

slovakguy said:

considering a champion like anquetil vowed to wear the yellow jersey from start to finish and backed it up, not just when it suited his needs (it's too early to defend the yellow jersey, says the hog. kay, you bet, says lance). considering how hinault and lemond fought hammers and tongs over it while on the same team. how fignon and lemond traded it back and forth (and lemond's team wasn't nearly as strong as fignon's) for three weeks, armstrong's fear of wearing it at the front pales before those champions. and that's not even bringing merckx or coppi or bartali or bobet in on the conversation. yes, lancey has seven tour victories, but the manner in which he took them doesn't put him above the greats. lance feared the responsibility of being out in front with the yellow.

as for the other tours, one might point out how he is reaping the appearance fee/charity windfall.

how do you know he didn't have bad form when the break opened up before him in the first week?

Those other champions weren't as dominant as Armstrong and therefore could not play tactics. But this year Armstrong went hell for leather to get the yellow jersy. If Contador wanted it so badly then he should have gone round him in the time trial. Seems he didn't have the bottle.

TheDangerMan said:

Those other champions weren't as dominant as Armstrong and therefore could not play tactics. .

The history of the sport, suggests otherwise.

[quote="TheDangerMan"][U] If Contador wanted it so badly then he should have gone round him in the time trial. Seems he didn't have the bottle.[/quote]

Contador did not look to be in trouble at any stage during the 2009 TDF.

slovakguy said:

about the only mistake contador made this tour was letting bruyneel place armstrong on the roster. you should take the time and read that nyvelocity translation (or the original in spanish, if you like) to see your boy lancey doing his backstage backstabbing. at least contador isn't afraid of taking the yellow jersey.

by the bye, at least we know that we've reached the end of armstrong's season since he has never bothered to race a full season like the great champions.

Typical Red Herring. Lost his argument and has to change the subject and start taking rips at Armstrong.

So Armstrong is an Ahole. So what. Personally I find it funny cause it gets people like you to get their panties in a wad. I think everyone came to that conclusion about 8-10 years ago. In case you didnt realize it, you are not breaking news.

limerickman said:

The history of the sport, suggests otherwise..

No it does not.

limerickman said:

Contador did not look to be in trouble at any stage during the 2009 TDF.

Then you agree he must have bottled it, going from the other fellas logic on Armstrong.

TheDangerMan said:

Those other champions weren't as dominant as Armstrong and therefore could not play tactics.

Limerickman said:

The history of the sport suggest otherwise

TheDangerMan said:

No it doesn't

The history of the sport does suggest that other champions were a lot more dominant.
To try to suggest that they were more dominant, is incorrect.

TheDangerMan said:

Then you agree he must have bottled it, going from the other fellas logic on Armstrong.

If Contador "bottled it" this year - by your definition, your man bottled it from 1999-2005.

limerickman said:

To try to suggest that they were more dominant, is incorrect.

I wasn't. That was your point. I think it's quite clear that nobody in the history of this event has been as dominant as Armstrong - seven in a row speaks for itself. That's why slovacguy is wrong to claim Armstrong was scared of getting the yellow jersy - he wasn't. He was simply dominant enough to play games during those years. In the 2009 tour he wasn't dominant, and you saw him desperately try to get the yellow jersy in the first week in the same vein has the Lemond and other riders. If he claims Armstrong was scared, then so must Contador have been this year.

limerickman said:

If Contador "bottled it" this year - by your definition, your man bottled it from 1999-2005.

It's not my logic of course. I'm sure you are not silly enough to respond to someone's post without reading the post they were responding to. It says you have been using this forum for many years so I'm sure you have not made that school boy error. Have you? Do keep up.