Lance dumping Sheryl or Cofidis dumping Lance? Which is worse??

[crit PRO]

Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.

Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.

Which act is MORE despicaple? Or are both correct, and just looking out
for number #1.

Talk amongst yourselves.

crit PRO

 

[Andre]

No she dumped him cause he wants to go kill people in Iraq. Let's get
the facts straight ok?


Andre

 

[RicodJour]

crit PRO wrote:
>
> Which act is MORE despicaple?

Your spelling.

R

 

[Callistus Valerius]

> Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
> anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>
> Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
> dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.
>
> Which act is MORE despicaple? Or are both correct, and just looking out
> for number #1.
>
> Talk amongst yourselves.
>
> crit PRO

Something most rbr participants will never know, people of the moneyed
class, which Lance finds himself in, make all their decisions as business
decisions, even personal ones. Crow simply became a liability.

 

[benjo maso]

"crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
> anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>
> Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
> dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.

Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.

Benjo

 

[RicodJour]

benjo maso wrote:
> "crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
> > anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
> >
> > Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
> > dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.
>
> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.

If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.

R

 

[Sandy]

Dans le message de
news:[email protected],
RicodJour <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> benjo maso wrote:
>> "crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
>>> anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>>>
>>> Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the
>>> million dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was
>>> looking.
>>
>> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
>
> If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
> relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
> calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.
>
> R

Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new PR
firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
conclusions.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

 

[RicodJour]

Sandy wrote:
> Dans le message de
>
> RicodJour <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

I've done no such thing!

> > benjo maso wrote:
> >>
> >> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
> >
> > If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
> > relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
> > calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.
> >
> > R
>
> Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new PR
> firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
> conclusions.

Shouldn't the acronym have been capitalized? SOB stories...

As I understand it, Lance refused to have a medical examination as
required by his contract, reached an agreement to race in four races in
lieu of the examination as proof of his recovery, did not in fact race
in four races and was let go by Cofidis.

Benjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way. The people who made
that decision, and acted "completely correctly", probably don't
highlight the story in cocktail conversations as it was probably the
single biggest mistake Cofidis has made (relying once again on my
admittedly limited knowledge).

R

 

[B. Lafferty]

"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dans le message de
> news:[email protected],
> RicodJour <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> benjo maso wrote:
>>> "crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
>>>> anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>>>>
>>>> Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the
>>>> million dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was
>>>> looking.
>>>
>>> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
>>
>> If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
>> relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
>> calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.
>>
>> R
>
> Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new PR
> firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
> conclusions.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

IIRC, Cofidis aske to see his complete medical record and was refused.

 

[Bob Schwartz]

RicodJour wrote:
> benjo maso wrote:
>
>>"crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
>>>anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>>>
>>>Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
>>>dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.
>>
>>Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
>
>
> If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
> relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
> calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.

I believe Cofidis paid the first year of that contract, or close
to it. It's been a while since we've seen a 'Cofidis screwed LANCE'
flame war, but my recollection was that they were pretty reasonable.

Bob Schwartz

 

[benjo maso]

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> benjo maso wrote:
>> "crit PRO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Lance felt a lump feeling her up three weeks ago, and didn't say
>> > anything to her. He just dumped his fiancee'.
>> >
>> > Cofidis claimed they'd stand by their man, only to rip up the million
>> > dollar contract at his hospital bedside when no one was looking.
>>
>> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
>
> If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
> relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
> calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.


When Armstrong's testicular cancer was diagnosed, he had already signed with
Cofidis, but because he hadn't yet medically examined, Cofidis had the right
to drop him, but it did not. When in februari 1997 Armstrong declared to be
cured, Cofidis asked him to be examined by its doctors, which Armstrong
refused. Instead he promised to ride at least four races in 1997. If he
wouldn't, Cofidis would have a right to terminate the contract. And although
Armstriong didn't keep his promise, Cofidis payed him nevertheless a salary
of $ 676.630. IMO pretty decent (although Armstrong wanted a million).

Benjo

 

[Davey Crockett]

"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> writes:


> > Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new PR
> > firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
> > conclusions.
> > --
> > Bonne route !
> >
> > Sandy
> > Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> IIRC, Cofidis aske to see his complete medical record and was refused.
>

Cofidis, being a Capitalist Corporation, also has a bunch of Wankers
called Shareholders to keep happy

Whether from an humanitarian point of view the directors agreed with the
decision is immaterial

I'm pretty sure that the directors would have conducted a fast
telephone poll of at least a few major shareholders before handing
him the pinksklip

It was just business, like The GodFather said

--
Le Vent à Dos
Davey Crockett
Libérez Ingrid Betancourt, Clara Rojas et les autres
http://www.ingridbetancourt-idf.com/base/

 

[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sandy wrote:
> > Dans le message de
> >
> > RicodJour <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>
> I've done no such thing!
>
> > > benjo maso wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
> > >
> > > If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a (business)
> > > relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
> > > calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.
> > >
> > > R
> >
> > Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new PR
> > firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
> > conclusions.
>
> Shouldn't the acronym have been capitalized? SOB stories...
>
> As I understand it, Lance refused to have a medical examination as
> required by his contract, reached an agreement to race in four races in
> lieu of the examination as proof of his recovery, did not in fact race
> in four races and was let go by Cofidis.
>
> Benjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
> behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
> Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way. The people who made
> that decision, and acted "completely correctly", probably don't
> highlight the story in cocktail conversations as it was probably the
> single biggest mistake Cofidis has made (relying once again on my
> admittedly limited knowledge).

Armstrong could have been operating under the same
business model as Cofidis. The success of his business
suggests as much. The history as you relate it can be
construed as `Armstrong wanted out of the contract;
Armstrong designed and executed a business strategy to get
out of the contract.'

--
Michael Press

 

[benjo maso]

"Michael Press" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sandy wrote:
>> > Dans le message de
>> >
>> > RicodJour <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>>
>> I've done no such thing!
>>
>> > > benjo maso wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Cofidis never did such a thing, but behaved completely correctly.
>> > >
>> > > If you mean behave with respect to the people involved in a
>> > > (business)
>> > > relationship, I don't know if I can agree. If you mean behave as in
>> > > calculating the odds vs. fiscal liabilities, well of course.
>> > >
>> > > R
>> >
>> > Sob stories make much more attractive reading. That, and a good, new
>> > PR
>> > firm. I'd like to know the exact facts you rely on to come to your
>> > conclusions.
>>
>> Shouldn't the acronym have been capitalized? SOB stories...
>>
>> As I understand it, Lance refused to have a medical examination as
>> required by his contract, reached an agreement to race in four races in
>> lieu of the examination as proof of his recovery, did not in fact race
>> in four races and was let go by Cofidis.
>>
>> Benjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
>> behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
>> Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way. The people who made
>> that decision, and acted "completely correctly", probably don't
>> highlight the story in cocktail conversations as it was probably the
>> single biggest mistake Cofidis has made (relying once again on my
>> admittedly limited knowledge).
>
> Armstrong could have been operating under the same
> business model as Cofidis. The success of his business
> suggests as much. The history as you relate it can be
> construed as `Armstrong wanted out of the contract;
> Armstrong designed and executed a business strategy to get
> out of the contract.'

..... which is probably exactly what was happening. Cofidis offered Armstrong
a new contract (for less money), but with Casagrande and Julich he would
never have been the unquestioned boss the way he was in U.S.Postal.

Benjo

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On 26 Feb 2006 13:10:24 -0800, "RicodJour" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>enjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
>behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
>Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way.

More likely, there were several factions within Confidis, some wanting
to let him go and some that wanted to keep him: failure to make good
on terms would undercut those that supported Lance.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

crit PRO wrote:


<snip>





Jesus Christ.

LANCE has retired and all you Lance-o-phile losers still have nothing
better to discuss.

Cofidis? Next thing we know you'll be bagging on Steve Bauer for his 60
degree seat tube.

On second thought, nevermind. It doesn't have anything to do with
LANCE.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[Kyle Legate]

RicodJour wrote:
>
> Benjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
> behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
> Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way. The people who made
> that decision, and acted "completely correctly", probably don't
> highlight the story in cocktail conversations as it was probably the
> single biggest mistake Cofidis has made (relying once again on my
> admittedly limited knowledge).
>
I don't know about that last part. Knowing what we know about Lance's
personality, I'm not sure if he would have worked so hard to come back
so successfully if he didn't have Cofidis as a source of ****** off
motivation. His twisted drive to "prove those bastards wrong" may have
played a big part in shaping his future success.

 

[benjo maso]

"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RicodJour wrote:
>>
>> Benjo's "behaved completely correctly" is open to interpretation as
>> behavior is relative. That is what I was pointing out. As a company,
>> Cofidis behaved in a logical and predictable way. The people who made
>> that decision, and acted "completely correctly", probably don't
>> highlight the story in cocktail conversations as it was probably the
>> single biggest mistake Cofidis has made (relying once again on my
>> admittedly limited knowledge).
>>
> I don't know about that last part. Knowing what we know about Lance's
> personality, I'm not sure if he would have worked so hard to come back so
> successfully if he didn't have Cofidis as a source of ****** off
> motivation. His twisted drive to "prove those bastards wrong" may have
> played a big part in shaping his future success.

He probably would have found another source. As Floyd Landis said: "...
lasting motivation doesn't come from a set of circumstances. If nothing
happened at all - if there were no fights, he'd [Armstrong] would still be
motivated. Whatever it is that's driving him, it doesn't have anything to do
with daily stuff. It's deep, and it's always there."

Benjo

 

[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote:

> crit PRO wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Christ.
>
> LANCE has retired and all you Lance-o-phile losers still have nothing
> better to discuss.
>
> Cofidis? Next thing we know you'll be bagging on Steve Bauer for his 60
> degree seat tube.
>
> On second thought, nevermind. It doesn't have anything to do with
> LANCE.

Who?

--
Michael Press