LANCE worried about team safety during TdF

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  1. Robert Chung <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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    << "I don't represent one side or the other, but I do represent a sponsor'' of the war, the
    Texan added. >>

    That doesn't make sense. If he believes that his sponsor will somehow attract agression in Spain, he
    should not ride there. There is no point for a sponsor to be in the spotlight in a country where
    that sponsor apparently has such a negative image. Sponsors put their brand names on the shirts of
    cyclists to come across as sympathetic companies, not to provoke riots. US Postal Service should not
    make Armstrong ride races in countries where their brand name will be viewed so negatively that it
    would actually endanger Armstrong.

    His fears don't seem to be in touch with reality. I think Armstrong just wants some publicity.
    Perhaps he hopes that by posing as a victim, people will actually start liking him.

    Jonathan.
     
  2. Tom Paterson

    Tom Paterson Guest

    >From: "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"

    >His fears don't seem to be in touch with reality. I think Armstrong just wants some publicity.
    >Perhaps he hopes that by posing as a victim, people will actually start liking him.

    Speaking of reality, I'm wondering what personal encounters or business dealings you've had with Mr.
    Armstrong that have engendered such a personal-style dislike. Just curious. --Tom Paterson
     
  3. Kenny

    Kenny Guest

    The chances that Lance dies in the descent of a french Col are much bigger than the chance that
    there is terrorist attack on Lance.
     
  4. Assume 1 rider dies in a crash in a GT every 30 years, and descending stages tend to have approx 150
    riders. If the probability is the same for Lance as it is for the average, the chance for a crash
    death would be approx 70/million.

    In a terrorist attack, I agree his death is unlikely. Rather, I think he's probably more concerned
    by getting hit with a tossed object, or something similar.

    Kenny wrote:
    > The chances that Lance dies in the descent of a french Col are much bigger than the chance that
    > there is terrorist attack on Lance.
     
  5. Bosaci

    Bosaci Guest

    "Kenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > The chances that Lance dies in the descent of a french Col are much bigger than the chance that
    > there is terrorist attack on Lance.

    Why? How many riders in the TdF have died in the descent of a French Col?
     
  6. bosaci wrote:
    > "Kenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>The chances that Lance dies in the descent of a french Col are much bigger than the chance that
    >>there is terrorist attack on Lance.
    >
    >
    > Why? How many riders in the TdF have died in the descent of a French Col?

    We still remember Fabio Casartelli. STF
     
  7. Ryan Fisher

    Ryan Fisher Guest

    "bosaci" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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    > "Kenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The chances that Lance dies in the descent of a french Col are much bigger than the chance that
    > > there is terrorist attack on Lance.
    >
    > Why? How many riders in the TdF have died in the descent of a French Col?
    >
    >

    How many riders have died from terroist attcks?
     
  8. "Ryan Fisher" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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    > > Why? How many riders in the TdF have died in the descent of a French
    Col?
    > >
    >
    > How many riders have died from terroist attcks?
    >
    >
    I don't know, but several have been kidnapped in Colombia by rebel groups, albeit famous retired
    riders. Just go to www.cyclingnews.com and do a search for kidnapping.

    Carl Who still thinks Colombia is an awesome place to race
     
  9. Tom Paterson <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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    > >From: "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
    >
    > >His fears don't seem to be in touch with reality. I think Armstrong just wants some publicity.
    > >Perhaps he hopes that by posing as a victim, people will actually start liking him.
    >
    > Speaking of reality, I'm wondering what personal encounters or business dealings you've had with
    > Mr. Armstrong that have engendered such a personal-style dislike. Just curious. --Tom Paterson
    >

    I just don't like him or his style.
     
  10. Robert Chung

    Robert Chung Guest

    "Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <[email protected]> wrote
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    > Tom Paterson <[email protected]> schreef
    > > >From: "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
    > >
    > > >His fears don't seem to be in touch with reality. I think Armstrong
    just
    > > >wants some publicity. Perhaps he hopes that by posing as a victim,
    people
    > > >will actually start liking him.
    > >
    > > Speaking of reality, I'm wondering what personal encounters or business dealings you've had with
    > > Mr. Armstrong that have engendered such a personal-style dislike. Just curious. --Tom Paterson
    > >
    >
    > I just don't like him or his style.

    http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/877.html
     
  11. "Ryan Fisher" <[email protected]> writes:
    > How many riders have died from terroist attcks?

    It's been suggested that Ottavio Bottecchia died from a terrorist attack.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/veloarchive/races/tour/1925.htm

    This was Bottecchia's final throw of the dice. In 1926 he retired from the Tour in the Pyrenees.
    In 1927 he was gearing up for another ride when he was found battered and bleeding by the side of
    a road near his home in Italy. Nearby, his bike lay unscratched against a tree. Some hours later
    he died. Many stories were put about for his death. For example, a farmer admitted he had seen
    Bottecchia stealing grapes, had thrown a stone at him and accidentally killed him. But who eats
    grapes in June, when they are not ripe? Others thought that he had crashed, hitting his head -
    but how to explain the undamaged bike? The most likely explanation is that he was murdered,
    probably by Fascists - Bottecchia did not hide his socialist leanings in Mussolini's Italy -
    though even this theory cannot be proved, for even if Bottecchia did not agree all the time with
    Mussolini, he was certainly a role model for the "New Italy". Whatever, Italy's first Tour de
    France winner was dead, and nearly three quarters of a century on, there seems little hope now of
    establishing the cause.

    Morgan
     
  12. Robert Chung <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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    > "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote
    > > How many times has the French government been on a brutal "hate
    everything
    > > American" campaign. If anyone in the Bush administration had been making
    > the
    > > type of statements that are coming out of Paris they'd be crucified by
    the
    > > media and public. People seem to expect it and make allowances for the
    > French
    > > doing it. I think Lance's concern is legitimate given the virulence of the
    > rhetoric.
    >
    > LANCE's concern may be legitimate, but surely not because of the French government. As for
    > virulent rhetoric, I've only heard that from one side.
    My
    > sense is that because Americans have been peevish and nasty towards the French, they assume the
    > French must be peevish and nasty to them, yet I haven't heard of any French movie theatres or
    > video stores advertising "Freedom Graffiti" or "Freedom Pie," and as far as I've heard one can
    still
    > order an "Americano" in a bar in safety. The French may be rude and
    boorish,
    > but they appear no more rude or boorish than they were prior to recent political events. From what
    > I've read most French don't like the American president, but they also seem able to separate the
    > American president from the American people.

    Speaking of Freedom, have the French demanded their statue back yet?

    (BTW, having visited France many times, I can assure you that the French are very friendly indeed,
    and easy to get along with, although there is some dislike of the English.)
     
  13. "Rob Knell" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > On 27 Mar 2003 12:35:34 GMT, [email protected] (TritonRider) wrote:
    >
    > >>From: "Ryan Fisher"
    > >
    > >>How many riders have died from terroist attcks?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >How many times has the French government been on a brutal "hate
    everything
    > >American" campaign. If anyone in the Bush administration had been making
    the
    > >type of statements that are coming out of Paris they'd be crucified by
    the
    > >media and public. People seem to expect it and make allowances for the
    French
    > >doing it. I think Lance's concern is legitimate given the virulence of the
    rhetoric.
    > > Bill C
    >
    > I'm confused by this comment. What virulent rhetoric has come out of the French Government? I have
    > only seen criticism of the US couched in diplomat-speak, certainly no brutal hate campaign. I have
    > even commented to people how the French Government's gentlemanly stance stands in contrast to the
    > whining attempts by Bush and Blair to blame it all on them. I'm genuinely surprised by your
    > comments here, and I would be interested to hear what your sources for these remarks are.

    Some can't stand it if another has a different opinion, hence the vilification.
     
  14. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:03:39 +0100, Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:
    >(BTW, having visited France many times, I can assure you that the French=
    are
    >very friendly indeed, and easy to get along with

    After it is clear that you are not from Germany.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:59:49 +0100, "Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <[email protected]> wrote:

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    >Tom Paterson <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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    >> >From: "Jonathan v.d. Sluis"
    >>
    >> >His fears don't seem to be in touch with reality. I think Armstrong just wants some publicity.
    >> >Perhaps he hopes that by posing as a victim, people will actually start liking him.
    >>
    >> Speaking of reality, I'm wondering what personal encounters or business dealings you've had with
    >> Mr. Armstrong that have engendered such a personal-style dislike. Just curious. --Tom Paterson
    >>
    >
    >I just don't like him or his style.
    >

    Sam I am....

    Tom, that was a bizarre post of yours. You are over-reacting, I think.

    steve
     
  16. Bart

    Bart Guest

    Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
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    > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:03:39 +0100, Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:
    > >(BTW, having visited France many times, I can assure you that the French are very friendly
    > >indeed, and easy to get along with
    >
    > After it is clear that you are not from Germany.

    and you don't mind the obligatory anti-Belgian jokes.
     
  17. Bart

    Bart Guest

    Lance is used to "dopeur" cries in France, some more comments from "peaceful-minded" people won't
    bother him.

    If he is concerned it's not about "the French" getting overheated by what Chirac says, but by the
    possibility of real terrorist units mixing in the crowds. Chances are slim. It's VERY unlikely some
    Osama lieutenant would consider a cycling icon or team an interesting target. Or even know about the
    Tour. But you never know...

    But in that case....one can laugh or criticise the French authorities for some rather weird doping
    "investigations", but their intelligence services have a very good record on picking up
    circulating plans.
     
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