Landis goes Postal
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EoinC said:
Sorry Eoin.
I was naive to assume that something like sport would have a shred of credibility
Momentary lapse, I promise!
Lim - I'll see your naivety and raise you one - I'm hopeful that the younger riders coming through will see doping as unacceptable, and resist the urge to sell a bike or two for a bag of the red stuff.limerickman said:Sorry Eoin.
I was naive to assume that something like sport would have a shred of credibility
Momentary lapse, I promise!
On a contemporary theme, how's Pévenage's logic? - "I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling that I was doing anything wrong". He then goes on to explain how he always used a pre-paid phone so that his calls to Fuentes couldn't be traced...
In a World where it is increasingly difficult to attract sponsorship, selling off donated bikes is another smack in the mouth to efforts to encourage companies to support all levels of the sport.
classic1 said:
I wasn't aware that bikes were sold on - and it wasn't the case for riders back in the day.
As I said earlier, guys like Roche and kelly would give their bikes for auction for charity or they would give their used bikes on to the espoirs squad.
And as Eoin said, if the supplier stipulates that used bikes should not be sold on, then why are modern teams selling them on.
Great riders bikes normally end up in museums or on public display
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/3087112206_3110a9c02b.jpg
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/69/EddyMerckxHourRecordBike.jpg
limerickman said:
It was common back in the day. The end of season Herald Sun Tour was like a bazaar from the time the Europeans started riding it in the early 80's. Motorola used to sell gear at the end of the season all the time. I could name plenty of other instances where pro riders bikes appeared on the market. Just because messers Roche and Kelly were generous does not mean others weren't in it for a quid.
Eldrack said:
Careful with your libelous remarks!
The article actually says that Ullrich doped in an effort to beat Lance.
Lance actually is a phenomenal athlete as proven by his bald stats VO2 max etc.
It is flawed logic to assume that someone doped to beat Lance therefore Lance must have been doped too.
fastalarms said:
It's so endearing to read that there are still individuals in the world that believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy...kinda cute too...
At the end of the day things may or may not have happened.
If some were not caught at the time then lucky them.
To the ones who were caught , they knew they were commiting an offence and they have to do the time.
If you were speeding in your car and the motorist in front of you was pulled over by the police would you pull over too and say ' Hey by the way I was speeding too'
or. . would you keep your head down?
Wether Armstrong was or was not involved in anything in my opinion as mentioned before is not relevant anymore.
If you strip one person from a result from that era how do you know the next one on the list was clean too or do you just wipe all the results from that era and say nobody won anything and ask for all the prize money back.
Now that drug use is as heavily monitored as it is ever going to be a line has to be drawn under the Landis era and people have to move on. Riders who were caught back then have served their suspensions and are or are not back in the saddle.
The only interest in revisiting that era is because someone wants Lance's prize money back.
Unfortunately its likely to cost all that and more trying to prove a case without evidence as heresay is not acceptable evidence in a court of law and no samples have turned up as evidence.
If some were not caught at the time then lucky them.
To the ones who were caught , they knew they were commiting an offence and they have to do the time.
If you were speeding in your car and the motorist in front of you was pulled over by the police would you pull over too and say ' Hey by the way I was speeding too'
or. . would you keep your head down?
Wether Armstrong was or was not involved in anything in my opinion as mentioned before is not relevant anymore.
If you strip one person from a result from that era how do you know the next one on the list was clean too or do you just wipe all the results from that era and say nobody won anything and ask for all the prize money back.
Now that drug use is as heavily monitored as it is ever going to be a line has to be drawn under the Landis era and people have to move on. Riders who were caught back then have served their suspensions and are or are not back in the saddle.
The only interest in revisiting that era is because someone wants Lance's prize money back.
Unfortunately its likely to cost all that and more trying to prove a case without evidence as heresay is not acceptable evidence in a court of law and no samples have turned up as evidence.
Ullrich has already been condemed without a trial and the only thing he has been charged with is fraud.
Public opinion and the media have condemed him, however the American media and public are different and the US is not cycling following country like some European countries are.
Proof or no proof I doubt that anything will ever happen to Armstrong.
Public opinion and the media have condemed him, however the American media and public are different and the US is not cycling following country like some European countries are.
Proof or no proof I doubt that anything will ever happen to Armstrong.
jhuskey said:
Ulrich paid a fine to avoid a jail sentence on charges of sporting fraud didn't he?
It is true that there is a massive difference between the American and European media. The European media is about reporting facts whilst putting your own spin on things. American media is, well, absolute bull. Just look at Fox News. They make things up left right and centre to support their own agenda.
http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/lance-armstrong-reportedly-tied-to-performance-enhancers-in-reco/?ncid=edlinkusspor00000004 Â
I don't know if this has been posted already due to the new look of the forum, but some stuff surfaced today about a secret recording regarding Lance's alleged confession in front of the Andreus...secretly recorded by Lemond.
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"McIlvain later asked LeMond whether he is recording the conversation and he said no."
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Oh, Greg, you're soooo sneaky.
I don't know if this has been posted already due to the new look of the forum, but some stuff surfaced today about a secret recording regarding Lance's alleged confession in front of the Andreus...secretly recorded by Lemond.
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"McIlvain later asked LeMond whether he is recording the conversation and he said no."
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Oh, Greg, you're soooo sneaky.
